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Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« on: April 23, 2008, 12:36:45 »
Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site

The mass trespass on Kinder Scout in 1932 began a revolution that opened the countryside to millions. Now the Peak District's bleak beauty is under threat of erosion - partly caused by its popularity. Caroline Davies reports
· Caroline Davies
· The Observer,
· Sunday April 20 2008

To ramblers and countryside lovers across the nation Kinder Scout is a landmark. It was here on this windswept Derbyshire moorland plateau in the Peak District that hundreds of working-class walkers gathered one Sunday morning in April 1932 to commit the celebrated Mass Trespass - a wilfully illegal act that would, ultimately, open up the countryside to the public. So it is, perhaps, inevitable that hundreds of thousands of modern-day ramblers still descend annually on the bleak but beautiful scene of this significant event in the battle for the 'right to roam'.
It is perhaps ironic then that the birthplace of the rambling revolution is falling victim to the ramblers themselves. Millions of footfalls have contributed to such horrific erosion that conservationists are now fighting a desperate battle to save this iconic spot. And unless they do, it could be lost for ever.

Now the National Trust, which owns the land, is launching a nationwide appeal to raise £1m to stop Kinder Scout simply crumbling away. Natural England, the government's environment advisory body, has pledged £500,000. The trust must find the rest.
'It really is very urgent. Time is ticking away,' said Mike Innerdale, the trust's project manager in the Peak District. 'If we don't act now the whole place will be bare rock in 50 years. Kinder Scout holds a very special place in people's hearts. The Mass Trespass is historic. And it really cannot be lost to the nation.'

It is not only the ramblers who are to blame. Like much of the rest of upland Britain, Kinder Scout - the highest point in the Peak District National Park - has been damaged by overgrazing of sheep which has left vegetation patchy, and man-made irrigation channels which have caused water erosion.
Today it is believed to be the worst degraded area of blanket bog in Britain. Part of this is due to its location, sandwiched between the heavy industrialised cities of Sheffield and Manchester, and the legacy of the Industrial Revolution where acid rain has ensured the remaining peat is so acidic it should legally be classed as contaminated soil.
Climate change places it at more risk. Hotter summers dry out the peat, strong winds blow it off, heavier rains wash it away. 'The peat is dead,' said Innerdale. 'It's a moonscape - bare peat interspersed with pockets of vegetation'.

It was Kinder Scout's location, a tract of green inaccessible land between the two urban conurbations, that led to the Mass Trespass in the first place. Back in the Britain of the Twenties and Thirties, rambling was very much a working-class pursuit.
In 1932 it is estimated around 15,000 walkers would head out from Manchester every Sunday. But as ordinary people they were only allowed access to just one per cent of the land that now makes up the Peak District.

Kinder Scout was owned by the Duke of Devonshire. He used it to hold grouse. But it was only worked for 12 days a year, remaining deserted for the rest.
When the Lancashire branch of the socialist British Workers Sports Federation entertained their colleagues from the London branch at an Easter camp, they tried to get access, but failed. Infuriated, they decided to challenge the law.
The Mass Trespass was widely advertised. Under the leadership of Benny Rothman, a politically active socialist, up to 500 ramblers turned out on the day to ascend Kinder Scout from the Manchester side.
Front-page newspaper reports recorded hand-to-hand battles with police and gamekeepers as they fought their way up. At the top, they were joined by other ramblers who had ascended from the Sheffield side. With one third of the Derbyshire police force on duty, there were several arrests.
But what outraged walkers across Britain was the prison sentences meted out. Five unfortunates were jailed for between two and six months. Anger galvanised ramblers into further protests that would eventually change the law and lead to the creation of the Peak District National Park in 1951, the first in England.

'Kinder Scout is a huge totem in the minds of walkers because young men were jailed for simply taking a walk on a Sunday,' said Sir Martin Doughty, chairman of Natural England, whose own father was at the Mass Trespass aged just 14. 'It really is in a bad way. The situation is critical. I really do hope people will respond to the appeal.'
To halt the erosion, the area will need to be resprayed with lime and fertiliser to reduce the acidity and give heather a chance to grow. The artificial water channels built by sheep farmers will be blocked up to prevent water washing away further peat.
Cotton grass will be plug-planted to root the peat and keep it in place. And heather and grass seed will be sprayed over the area from a helicopter.
It is estimated that more than 10 billion tonnes of carbon is stored in UK soils, around half of it in peat, which is the equivalent to a year and a half of global greenhouse gas emissions.
When the peat dries out, that CO2 is either released into the air or washed into streams, leading to the brown coloration of upland water which costs millions each year to rectify in water treatment plants.
Conservationists believe improving the management of our upland peat bogs alone could reduce our carbon emissions by up to 400,000 tonnes a year.

Meanwhile, the walkers will still be welcome - provided they stick to the special stone pathways that are to be built. And the legend of the Mass Trespass will live on.
On its 70th anniversary the 11th Duke of Devonshire issued a formal apology for the actions of his grandfather, calling it 'a great wrong' and a 'shaming event in my family'.
The 76th anniversary will be marked by a 'mass' planting event on the early May bank holiday weekend organised by the National Trust. Walkers and volunteers can go to help plant cotton grass while they are on a walk.

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Re: Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 17:20:06 »
a wilfully illegal act

Interesting that the ramblers today are so keen to have the law on their side when it comes to who can use certain ROADS :huh:
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Re: Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 18:03:15 »
a wilfully illegal act

Interesting that the ramblers today are so keen to have the law on their side when it comes to who can use certain ROADS :huh:

Yeap, that annoys me too.  One rule for them, another rule for us.

Can't help seeing the irony of the whole thing though :-k
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 21:33:19 »
Love to see a TRO on it :lol:
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Re: Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 23:07:09 »
socialist British Workers Sports Federation.

Says it all really.

Some of the best preserved natural habitats that have remained unchanged for over a 100 years all belong to the MoD, which include places like Salisbury Plain, parts of the Brecks, and the areas  around Porton Down.
The Communist Walkers assoc, sorry, RA, would love to get on those places.
Hmm, perhaps thats not such a bad idea after all.  ;)

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2008, 23:38:21 »
 :lol: ramblers would make good land mine testing equipment  :lol:

at least we repair our rights of way, i dont see them all flocking there with their shovels :-k

TRO it  :clap:
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Re: Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 10:37:22 »
its about time the bobble hat brigade got into the firing line. lets see how quickly the goverement give them a grant to repair it.  :huh:

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 12:07:02 »
Of course they'll get a grant - they even had helicopters to bring stone in to repair the paths on Snowdon (which have never had any vehicle rights).

Please TRO it. If only for the righteous indignation and exploding blood vessels it'll provoke in the bobblies!  :lol:
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Re: Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 15:00:06 »
Yep I think TRO would be a good, Never been but I believe it a deep hole in places.
Perhap they should also concider doing the same on some of footpath in the Lakes and there are a number of places around Cornish coastal path that could do with time to recover to. I'm sure we could all lists so many more.

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Re: Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 15:45:43 »
let them have it, its a dump of a bog anyhow, ban them and they only go elsewhere and in the process get more of our quiet lanes shut to motorised traffic.

Its seems that the way it goes a few popular places get trampled on like snowdon, couple of hills in the lakes and the odd bog in the peaks yet the rest of the countryside is dead on hardly sees anyone on most paths.

There was a survey done round us using pressure mats on siles, some never saw a person on all year, most never used, yet the odd populer one fogged to death, noticec however most popular ones have a carpark at one end.

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 16:34:54 »
I met a group of ramblers today in a carpark for the Pembrokeshire Coast National Park. There was a large discussion going on which I heard snippets of including things like "well who do we tell?" and "I think its disgusting". I intervened and asked if I could help? as I knew the national park warden for the area! So they agreed and explained their dilema to me (I was expecting severe erosion, or stile down or some such thing)

What I got instead was "its disgusting, there we were walking along the coast path, only to find that someone has planted POTATOES on national park land!!"

I asked them, "do you mean on the side of the coast path? or was there a fence inbetween making the planting inside a field?"

They replied that it was inside a field, but it was disgusting that someone would take the liberty of planting on national park land!!

I explained to them, that the national park is in name only really! and apart from some specific sites and the coast path the land is mainly owned by farmers and they can plant what they like as its their land!! These idiots would not agree that this was the case, and have resolved to write to the head of the national park to notify him of this "illegal" planting!!

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 17:11:43 »
Crazymac i don't know how you kept a straight face i would have been laughing my head off at there statements :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ramblers ruin right-to-roam's landmark site
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 17:25:32 »
well if we arent allowed to use aggressive knobbly tyres, they shouldnt be allowed to used aggressive knobbly boots.... send them round in slippers and the paths should last longer....


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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 17:33:24 »
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Helicopter used for mountain path
 
A helicopter is to lift more than 700 tons of stone onto mountains in Snowdonia as part of a project to repair eroding upland paths.
Five teams of path workers will spend a fortnight laying the airlifted stone into place on four sites, Snowdon, Cadair Idris, Y Garn and Tryfan Bach.
The stone is brought in by helicopter so as not to disturb stone near paths, which might host delicate plants.
Around 350,000 people visit Snowdon, Wales' highest mountain, each year.
Both Snowdonia National Park Authority and the National Trust have path teams at work.
'Durable paths'
Alan Hughes, of the Snowdonia Upland Path Partnership said: "The trick is for the finished path to blend into its surrounding environment, be comfortable to walk on and for it to appear as if nothing has been done.
"A variety of methods are used to carry out the work of rectifying the damage - a fully trained path worker can build some two metres of path a day.
"Generally the teams use as local as possible stone to construct durable paths, using a technique known as 'stone-pitching,' using some one ton of stone for every 1.5m of path built."
The National Trust said it cost between £50 and £100 to construct each metre of footpath and it needed to raise £80,000 per year to fund its footpath team.

That's 700 tons of stone.
£50 to £100 per metre to repair a footpath.
Not to mention the carbon footprint of the Helicopter. :x

I can find plenty of other examples of damage by booted foot.      
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 19:20:46 »
now im not defending the ramblers or owt, but the helicopters used are TA Gazelles from 666Sqn Army Air Corps, they help out the national park authorities and they use it to train their  pilots  and ground crew in using under slung loads under difficult condition's i.e foggy windy and rainy (god bless wales :lol:)  :lol: so in all essence they are not being payed for by the national park. :D

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2008, 22:50:49 »
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23 Feb 2006.                                                                                        LDNPA News Article.
One of the worst cases of Lake District footpath erosion where hundreds of tonnes of earth were washed away leaving ugly, four metre deep ravines has been given a radical £20,000 make-over.
Around 400m of a route on Coledale Hause above Buttermere had fallen victim to extensive damage caused by walkers and weather, leaving a gaping gully up to six metres wide.
Salvation came courtesy of acclaimed Scottish digger driver Iain McCurrach, who drove the machine up to the 700m trouble spot and set about re-profiling the path, establishing drainage and stemming the water flow.
“The result is a great new path that blends in with the rest of the stunning scenery,” said National Trust upland access project manager John Atkinson, who paid tribute to Iain’s renowned skills.
“This is a fine example of restoration work and should encourage walkers to stay on route rather than trampling on vegetation and potentially starting the whole process again,” said John.
The Lake District National Park Authority’s upland paths adviser Richard Fox added that it was “a fantastic job” and already hard to imagine how bad the problem had been.
“It is vitally important that we can find on-going funding so we can stop other paths getting into this dreadful state. A stitch in time is very relevant for footpaths and people who love the fells are encouraged to help us in their care and repair.”
Coledale Hause restoration was paid for by online fix the fells appeal, the Heritage Lottery Fund and the Tourism and Conservation Partnership.
Already 70 paths have been repaired thanks to fix the fells donations totalling £359,917, but a further 75 are still in desperate need of attention. Erosion caused by millions of walkers and weather takes a serious toll on the hills.

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2008, 00:21:48 »
WHATTTT thats bloody shocking, they have absolutly no right to complain about us [-X imagion if some person was to break a leg or something in that hole caused by the idiots they would never be found untill they were trampled on  :shock:
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2008, 16:50:49 »
As I've stated in the past, I'm not trying to generate an "Us & Them" argument.  :D I'm simply demonstrating the double standards of those that claim MPV's damage ALL unsurfaced roads & that booted foot has absolutely no impact on our countryside.
We all know that there are many factors in the 'erosion issues' of any unsurfaced right of way, be it for foot, hoof or wheel.
The countryside is under increasing pressure from ALL user groups & walkers are not without impunity.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2008, 17:46:34 »
That's an amazing picture, Paul.  :shock: Is there anything about this on the RA forum? I might take a look.....


Hmm.... have they moved their forum to a members only area? It used to be in public view.
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2008, 15:04:53 »
That photo actually came from the 'Fix the Fells' website HERE. Many of the photos of damaged footpaths are no longer shown. There used to be many more examples of severe erosion.
The RA forum is still there, but I believe not all is accessable to the public. I think much of it went behind the scenes as I think they were having issues with "Trolling". Apparently to gain access to the forum you have to be a paid up member of the RA & you have to write to them requesting access & giving some good reasons & telling them something about yourself, so they can 'Vet' you for suitability. :roll:
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 19:09:43 »
Apparently to gain access to the forum you have to be a paid up member of the RA & you have to write to them requesting access & giving some good reasons & telling them something about yourself, so they can 'Vet' you for suitability. :roll:

Good job Mud Club is more open about these things, or I'd never have got in!  :lol:

Sounds like their forum is run by the extreme lunatic red-socked fringe. I've seen similar conditions levied on other forums which, if you manage to find a back door to (such as the fact that you can find the forum homepage via Google and view as a guest  :twisted:) turn out to have one set viewpoint and will not tolerate any deviation from it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2008, 19:30:07 »
 :roll:Come on then Paul show a picture of what the 4x4 and TRF guys do in the lakes !!! A piccy of repairs to Gatescarth the other week would do nicely especially if there are lots of those Bobble hat people passing by our hard work !!
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 15:36:54 »
We're very good at doing this:   :lol: :lol:
OOPS!

Here's a photo of some of us doing some stone pitching in the snow:

There's dedication. Two days in freezing conditions with spindrift blowing all around, doing maintainance work on Gatescarth Pass.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2008, 19:14:56 »
Check out the Westmorland Gazette for a previous article on some Trail Maintenance work done on Gatescarth Pass.
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