Why Did He Wait Until Now Before Saying Something????

[Bush Tucker Man]

I guess we all know that he didn't want to 'rock the boat' whilst 'in office'





http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Police-chief-hits-out-at.4075578.jp


Talks almost as much sense as Ray Mallon & Keith Helliwell though!!!

[Disco Matt]

In my honest opinion we do need Human Rights laws. Look at what the current government get up to in terms of surveillance and infringing the liberty of innocent people, and consider how much worse it could be if we didn't have some sort of legal framework to protect us from their excesses.

That said, they need to be tightened to stop every little  :-# and weasel lawyer from using them. I know the UN Human Rights stuff does include provision for just punishment of offenders, and the rest of Europe doesn't seem to have any trouble with the same EU Human Rights laws that we're bound by.

[hobbit]

Note the key word here is Solicitors

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

The Human Rights Act was thought up after the Nuremburg War Trials to try and stop the genocide from happening again. That worked.
It wasn't adopted in the UK at that time as it was felt that we already had sufficent laws in place to deal with that.
Along came New Labour, who decided that we really did need it after all. Tony is married to the delightful Cherie, who is a barrister, who specialises in Human Rights law. Funny that.
As someone who has to contend with the HRA every day of my working life, I have to agree with what this Det Super is saying.
However, time and time again, I hear at work "We can't do that because it will go against the Human Rights of the suspect"
What about the Human rights of the victim, or the Rights of the community where some little scrote is causing havoc?
That gets forgotten about.
What about the Human Rights of the Servicemen and women who get pulled up on a murder charge, because they have shot someone in a warzone who was trying to kill them?
The Law is there to protect the Majority, not to crawl and grovel to the law breaking minority, who see living outside of the Law as their way of life.

[Bush Tucker Man]

L S-P

You're bang on!!
As usual


I still reckon he didn't want to 'rock the boat' though, despite his personal views (which he undoubtedly shares with practically every Bobby in the country)

[littlepow]

we are the only country that seems to bring wounded enemy fighters over here for medical care, then give them compensation for being injured while trying to maim and kill our own troops. Add to that we seem to fund there legal costs just so they can then sue the military.

But when a serviceman is crippled, they get £250,000 at most and lose there job! with the no investigation or legal action aginst the enemy.

the whole legal system is backwards, we have too many ivory tower do gooders with no idea of reality.

[redhand]

Off topic I know but does anyone think the fact that he has landed a job as a "consultant" to a major Forensics services provider, who will be providing a service to the police force he just left is just a little bit suspect??? and a wee bit old boys network.

[hobbit]

we are the only country that seems to bring wounded enemy fighters over here for medical care, then give them compensation for being injured while trying to maim and kill our own troops. Add to that we seem to fund there legal costs just so they can then sue the military.

But when a serviceman is crippled, they get £250,000 at most and lose there job! with the no investigation or legal action aginst the enemy.

the whole legal system is backwards, we have too many ivory tower do gooders with no idea of reality.

Or in time make them politicians

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Off topic I know but does anyone think the fact that he has landed a job as a "consultant" to a major Forensics services provider, who will be providing a service to the police force he just left is just a little bit suspect??? and a wee bit old boys network.

It could be seen that way, but think about it logically. Unlike the Government, the Business community in the UK does have its head screwed on. If you need someone to run a business that provides a service to the Police, why not employ an ex-Police officer? They already have the knowledge to do the job, whereas the Government stance is to put someone in charge of a department who has no clue at all about the workings of said department, and therefore is a waste of money.
Saying that, a Chief Constable is a political post now anyway. Its very rare that you actually see one away from their desk. If they are, it usualy means they are lost on the way to the coffee machine.
Replace them with some Business World bosses, and get rid of some of the dead wood and apply business logic, like every force uses the same equipment, computors etc etc. That would stop the current farcical situation of 43 forces in England and Wales all going in different directions, and would save millions for the tax payer.

[littlepow]

hmm, you could end up regretting having one IT service provider. We are slowly being taken over by a civvy company, the restrictions put in place on the IT footprint, access to the machines storage devices and ports and server space will cause a lot of problems. Will cause people to be restricted to certain workstations. But time will tell if it is able to save money in the long run.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

hmm, you could end up regretting having one IT service provider. We are slowly being taken over by a civvy company, the restrictions put in place on the IT footprint, access to the machines storage devices and ports and server space will cause a lot of problems. Will cause people to be restricted to certain workstations. But time will tell if it is able to save money in the long run.

Im sure with the buying power of an organisation of the size of all the forces in England and Wales, they'd be able to get a bespoke system built.
They could go along to BMW or Ford and get a patrol car designed for the requirements. more money saved for the Public.

[Wireless]

We had so many staff consultations regarding the interior design of an ambulance, and standardised equipment based around the needs of a paramedic, agreed with the service training team, and every time the managers went away to procure vehicles and equipment we ended up with a load of old crap.

Vehicles which couldn't carry all of the equipment due to a lack of storage, vehicles where it is physically impossible to carry out basic life support while the vehicle is in motion, vehicles where the internal vehicle height was reduced to 5'4" from a previous 6'3", vehicles with diesel heater exhausts mounted under the rear steps (so all the fumes are drawn inside), vehicles without door stays, so that the doors used to swing in the wind and damage parked vehicles, or even worse hit the patient and ambulance crew while being loaded and unloaded, under floor ramps that used to jam half in/out, and meant the vehicle had to be VOR and driven back to the station with oxygen tubing holding the rear doors together.  We even ended up with vehicles that were based on volvo cars and looked suspiciously hearse like to me.

Equipment; with each new piece of kit bought on the cheap, we suddenly had 5 or 6 bags of kit to take into a collapse, this is before taking any equipment to carry a patient to the waiting ambulance, nothing was integrated, if you had anyone try to assist they couldn't because there were so many bags that looked alike.

However, they spent a fortune on a new vehicle livery that wasn't needed, and brand new signs for the stations, when the old ones looked ok to me.

Fur coat and no knickers...looks good on the outside, but all the essentials are missing, the problem is not just confined to the Police, it's been endemic in the Ambulance Service for decades, and I'm told the Fire Service is starting to suffer the same fate.

Ho hum, such is life, glad I'm retired from all that nonsence now.

[littlepow]

Welcome to civil middle management meddling, curtosey of Mr A Blair and croneys.

Although we are starting to come out of the other side of it, or maybe the spotlight has just moved on to the public services.

[Rich_P]

Im sure with the buying power of an organisation of the size of all the forces in England and Wales, they'd be able to get a bespoke system built.

Er.. just look at JPA & the NHS computerisation.  :shock: