Mud-Club Issue

[datalas]

As mentioned elsewhere the shop is currently having what can be described as a "bit of a rough time"

There was a death in the family, then a big show and since getting back from Eastnor Joanne has had laryngitis.. I'm sure that everything will be dealt with as soon as she's back on her feet.

In the meantime any further problems please contact me and I'll see what I can do by proxy.

[Keri]

Why not get some help with the work load on the shop, as it seems alot of people order things and don't get them for a long time! I mean people have a life as well but............

[datalas]

Logistics,  the shop is in rural dorset, I'd help if I could, but I'm 40 miles away and have a day job as well..  perhaps you'd like to pay me a day's salary and petrol money ?

[Thrasher]

..and remember he's driving Piglet.

[Keri]

Well as usual thats what you get back from the MODS for suggesting an idea! Seems to be common place these days...

Why not move the shop to someone with more time on there hands..... Im guessing it would be a case of changing address etc as to where all the stuff is delivered to and so on......

[datalas]

Perhaps this is where the miss understanding comes from.

The Mud-Club shop has no stock,  we've never been able to afford any so all orders are custom made before they're shipped out.  This does mean that we didn't / don't have any capital tied up in boxes at someones house, but does mean that we experience slowdowns when the "shop" (all one of her) is unable to fulfill orders as quickly as might be liked.

There are some issues, and we're aware of them, however there are reasons why some "suggestions" are treated with less of a warm reception than others, in this particular case there is an implied insult to a close friend of mine, who happens to be ill, that's not going to go down as wondrously as it might is it ?

[gords]

As far as I'm aware, the equipment used belongs to MuddyWeb(?), not the Mud Club - which a very good reason why the shop could not be "moved".

[Thrasher]

Well as usual thats what you get back from the MODS for suggesting an idea! Seems to be common place these days...

..and as usual all we get from you is a complaint tacked on the back end of someone elses query. So if you want compare like for like ....

[Thrasher]

Gords is correct.

Mud club own no equipment for the manufacturing of t-shirts/stickers or anything else. Have some people not twigged that the mud-club stock is sold by Muddyweb....

[Keri]

There are some issues, and we're aware of them, however there are reasons why some "suggestions" are treated with less of a warm reception than others, in this particular case there is an implied insult to a close friend of mine, who happens to be ill, that's not going to go down as wondrously as it might is it ?

Where have i insulted someone? All i said was people have a life.... In life they can be ill, have problems, get divorced anything.. So i suggestivly asked couldn't it be moved to someone who has a bit more time IE doesn't have as many problems in their life right now as im sure there are plenty of people who are willing to help out!

All that was needed from you was a explanation as to why maybe it can't be moved and so on..........

[Eeyore]

afternoon, class.

Three recommendations come out from above.

1) Every so often, folk have just got to be prepared to accept what they can't control and what doesn't need commenting on. Questions we don't mind, as I've said before, it's a lack of respect for the answers that causes the midden to hit the windmill.  

2) Write very carefully, becusue phrases involving 'geting a life' can be so easily miscontrued. Maybe it wasn't meant negatively, but it could certainly be read that way.

3) Contributions to the forum that don't continually seem to imply that the Club could be a better place, or are aimed to bate a response may help keep the atmosphere in here a little more 'fun, friendly and free'.  

Schools out!  :D

Cheers
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Eeyore

[AbyssDJ]

Logistics,  the shop is in rural dorset, I'd help if I could, but I'm 40 miles away and have a day job as well..  perhaps you'd like to pay me a day's salary and petrol money ?

i dont think there was any need for that, was there? the post was fine until you added the narky comments on the end. all keri was suggesting is that a few people could chip in to help out, but apparently she's in the wrong for trying to make a sensible suggestion.

now please, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong (which im sure you would/will do), but i dont see any traces of an insult by anyone in this thread. all i see is one guy asking if anyone knows where his stuff is, one girl making what i would consider a sensible suggestion, and a handful of mods biting back for no apparent reason.

at the end of the day, if you're reading into everything as an insult, then maybe its time to chuck the mod hat in the bin and call it a day, because as far as i was always aware, mods are meant to be non biased. the fact is, there was no insult there, so there was no need for the narky comment. if the comment wasnt made, then none of this would have cracked off.

there wasnt a complaint tacked on the back of someone elses thread until there was place for one... and even then, theres nothing that says "im complaining". that said though, if you post something and someone snaps your head off for no real reason, then the way i see it, whoever the victim was has every right to complain about it.

besides, at the end of the day, this is an internet forum. to expect nobody to complain is just unrealistic. if you dont want complaints from one person or another, then theres two real options - dont moderate the forum at all, or dont run the forum at all. you cant please everyone.

[Thrasher]

MOD/ADMIN HAT OFF :

I can only assume that neither of you have read of the replies to other people currently awaiting fulfilment of orders. If you had, then you would have also realised that the mods are responding to each and every one with pretty much the same response. The response won't change.

As you are a business person, what do you say to a customer when something you have ordered on their behalf cannot be delivered quickly? Do you offer to help Denon (example) by going over there to help in the factory?

And as I've pointed out above, whenever there's a contentious post, you can pretty much guarantee who the main protagonists will be. I mean it's not even like you've hidden the fact you've been banned from forums?! Care to tell us why?

Oh and at the end of the day, a suggestion that we get more staff in should have been directed through PM to ADMIN.

[datalas]

dont moderate the forum at all, or dont run the forum at all. you cant please everyone.

That sounds like a remarkably good idea,  now where's that off switch ?

I have had quite about as much of this as I am physically able to stand...

[AbyssDJ]

you are correct, and i can honestly say that i've not read the other threads where people have stuff thats not been delivered. however, if the replies ARE as hostile as the above, then something really needs to be done about it, dont you think? theres no need for the hostility, when a simple "sorry, its being sorted out as quickly as possible" would do fine.

as far as the other question goes though, call me predictable if you like, but in the case of something not being delivered quick enough then YES i have driven halfway around the country picking stuff up to get it to its destination on time. to be precise, 10x moving heads, 2x jem hazers, 2x pioneer cdj1000mk3's, and two 150mw rgy lasers.

as a matter of fact, i'll be driving a good distance tomorrow to deliver some equipment too, and in a few weeks ill be doing the same again delivering ~£4k of equipment to a school in slough. currently, it seems that they're pushing to get stuff quicker than its physically possible too, so i do hope that answers that question.

as far as being banned from other forums goes, why would i have a reason to hide it? its common knowledge anyway, if nothing else. i was banned from LRUK for being me, and not acting up and being some high and mighty perfect member. actually, i didnt get on with the admin, and he didnt get on with me....

either way, all that is besides the point, and has nothing to do with mud-club. infact, i do recall someone saying (a long time ago now) to leave problems and friction from other forums on the other forums... so please dont contradict any rules that mud-club may or may not actually have written.

datalas - its your call, to be fair. i've seen and used bigger forums that have closed down in exactly that manner.

[Eeyore]

if you dont want complaints from one person or another, then theres two real options - dont moderate the forum at all, or dont run the forum at all. you cant please everyone.

You're kidding me, right?   :-s

Option three: we can happily point out that if you really object to how the forum is run, the internet is a big enough place for you to find somewhere else to post your desired brand of 'banter' :?  

The issue here isn't with the Mods and Admins, it's with two posters in particular. The place is ours, not yours.  

Being totally serious for moment, we've stated our case, it's up to you to accept it and stay, or to argue it and leave (you won't change us). You have been empowered with that decision. Make it.

Cheers
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Eeyore

[Thrasher]

I've flown around the globe to make customers happy - however - what you haven't done is helped to MANUFACTURE the product. Don't you see it's not the delivery that is the issue, it is the MAKING of the CUSTOM product.

If you want to be the one that brought down mud-club and had it switched off - feel free. I'm sure the other posting members wouldn't mind.

[datalas]

as a matter of fact, i'll be driving a good distance tomorrow to deliver some equipment too, and in a few weeks ill be doing the same again delivering ~£4k of equipment to a school in slough.

Good stuff, will you do it for a £3.50 sticker too ?  when you have laryngitis, that is dedication ...

datalas - its your call, to be fair. i've seen and used bigger forums that have closed down in exactly that manner.

Hmm... I wonder why they were closed down .. :roll:

[AbyssDJ]

if you dont want complaints from one person or another, then theres two real options - dont moderate the forum at all, or dont run the forum at all. you cant please everyone.

You're kidding me, right?   :-s

Option three: we can happily point out that if you really object to how the forum is run, the internet is a big enough place for you to find somewhere else to post your desired brand of 'banter' :?  

The issue here isn't with the Mods and Admins, it's with two posters in particular. The place is ours, not yours.  

Being totally serious for moment, we've stated our case, it's up to you to accept it and stay, or to argue it and leave (you won't change us). You have been empowered with that decision. Make it.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

im not objecting to how the forums run, i was objecting to datalas' attitude in the reply he made. it was out of order - sorry, but thats just a fact.

what you're saying is that its the admins and moderators that make a forum, not its members. i dont think thats a great outlook on things. at the end of the day, im not going to do either of the two options you gave me... because i've got more to worry about. however, if you want to decide for me, feel free.

I've flown around the globe to make customers happy - however - what you haven't done is helped to MANUFACTURE the product. Don't you see it's not the delivery that is the issue, it is the MAKING of the CUSTOM product.

If you want to be the one that brought down mud-club and had it switched off - feel free. I'm sure the other posting members wouldn't mind.

always one better. you asked a question, and i answered it... i can see exactly what the issue is with this guys stickers, tshirt, whatever it was... im not disputing what has actually caused the problem. all i was saying (and im saying it again) is that datalas was out of order to have a go at keri, just because she was basically trying to suggest a way to ease the workload on the "shop".

i wouldnt mind an explaination as to how im bringing mud-club down though? i stated a fact, datalas replied to it asking where the off button is... all i did after that was say its your call. after all, its your forum ;) you just said that yourself!

as a matter of fact, i'll be driving a good distance tomorrow to deliver some equipment too, and in a few weeks ill be doing the same again delivering ~£4k of equipment to a school in slough.

Good stuff, will you do it for a £3.50 sticker too ?  when you have laryngitis, that is dedication ...

datalas - its your call, to be fair. i've seen and used bigger forums that have closed down in exactly that manner.

Hmm... I wonder why they were closed down .. :roll:

no, i wouldnt do that for a £3.50 sticker. i think that much goes without saying... however, i dont think anyone was suggesting that you jump in piglet and deliver everybodies £3.50 stickers. the suggestion was that some extra help might, well... help.

as far as the other forum being closed (im thinking of one in particular, that im sure you're probably not familiar with), i believe the reason was that the admin couldnt be arsed with it any more. he'd set it up, run it, it got very big, very successful, and then he decided to move onto something else... simple really.

behind the curtains though, it was just two particular members that brought it down.... :twisted:

[Wanderer]

Unfortunatley Abyssdj you appear to be constantly admin/moderator baiting and it does prove difficult sometimes to work out which one of the two you are posting.

I trust that you aren't one and the same posting from the same IP address.
Come to think of it there's a hint of Laurel and Hardy about the intrepid duo that you've become.

Give it a rest and wind your neck in.
Methinks there'd be queue of people upset should the Admin decide that enough is enough. They aren't here to be openly baited.

The above are my own personal views that I rarely give in open forum due to my status of moderator. I/We like to give everybody the benefit of the doubt but you seem able to push that envelope more than most.

Anyone got any doubts.
Click on profile in one of either Keri r Abyssdj's posts and then click on show all posts and have a look at them You'll soon see a pattern.

Ed