F1 - Biased or what

[Range Rover Blues]

No mention was made after the race about Massa having all four wheels the wrong side of the solid white line (which define the race circuit)  down the finish straight to pass someone for a place, :shock:  :shock:  and proceed over the chevron area and into the pit exit lane    

If the FIA noticed they'd probably award the other guy's points to Massa too.

[TDi90]

this is a very anti ferrari thread  :|

[ian_s]

i cant beleive bourdais was penalised for taking the racing line to defend his place as he came out of the pits, if anyone was at fault i think it was massa.

raikenen did it a few laps earlier, but he wasnt penalised - admittedly the other driver in that one was looking where he was going and didnt do what massa did

i do think hamilton deserved his penalty for the 1st corner incident, that was wild and reckless and could have caused much more carnage in the rest of the field

as for massas penalty, it was hardly justice for ruining the rest of hamiltons race due to aerodynamic damage caused by being rammed off the road

[simondarby]

The best bit of the Japanese Grand Prix was after 2 weeks of Hamilton saying he won't make anymore mistakes this season and that he will drive for points rather than wins to ensure the championship...  As soon as the lights go out, he gets a severe case of red mist and screws up his own race!!!!  Hilarious!!

Talk about F1 being biased, people only ever talk about Hamilton.  It's Hamilton this, Hamilton that.  There are 21 other drivers too!  Some of them as good, if not better than Hamilton, who just happens to be in one of the best (if not the best) cars on the grid!  No surprise he does well really.  Kubica would probaly win loads if he drove a Maclaren too (for example)...

I don't remember Mansell, Hill, Coulthard or Button being lauded as the new Christ when they started in F1!!

I think more people are wearing Hamilton tinted glasses than red tinted glasses...

IMO

[waveydavey]

Yes I am a McLaren fan but I am not anti Ferrari; I just believe that the rules should be applied evenly to all the teams not in favour of one team - as it stands Ferrari unquestionably get a more lenient application.

I agree that there are some outstanding drivers in the grid now; Kubica is one but also Vettel and Glock would fly in the right cars.

Lets be honset Massa is fast but there is no way he would be where he is without the car OR without the help from the FIA.

[davidlandy]

when judging drivers the best way to do so is to see how they qualify against their team mates and lets face it thats goin to prove further what  a talent Lewis is. 

his first year in F1 he mostly out gunned the world champion - none of the other GB drivers did that in their rookie no matter what the car.

not anti ferrari - but whats going on is plainly just not fair.

[mass199]

when judging drivers the best way to do so is to see how they qualify against their team mates and lets face it thats goin to prove further what  a talent Lewis is. 

his first year in F1 he mostly out gunned the world champion - none of the other GB drivers did that in their rookie no matter what the car.

not anti ferrari - but whats going on is plainly just not fair.

[waveydavey]

when judging drivers the best way to do so is to see how they qualify against their team mates and lets face it that's going to prove further what  a talent Lewis is. 

his first year in F1 he mostly out gunned the world champion - none of the other GB drivers did that in their rookie no matter what the car.

not anti ferrari - but whats going on is plainly just not fair.

That is very true; in a rookie season he finished ahead of a 2x World Champion in the same car.
There really has to be a talent there to achieve that whatever your personal view.

[Mark_Solesbury]

Oh I wonder what the outcome would have been..........

[ian_s]

the offending drivers left hand tyres are not over the white line, so its still legal
dirty, but legal

[Mark_Solesbury]

ahh well.. thats my fault in photoshop.

Massa made sure that he is well at fault...



and...



If it was anyone else......

[Range Rover Blues]

Whilst you've got photoshoip out, why not stick a 101 in there instead, they crop up in all sorts of places.

[ezz]

I don't rate Hamilton much, way to cocky and big headed, no wonder the others don't like him much,

I can't think of any other driver that climbed staight into a top car..

[davidlandy]

I don't rate Hamilton much.....................

you obviously know nothing about what makes a talented driver then.

like him or loathe him , he is quick.

[waveydavey]

I don't rate Hamilton much, way to cocky and big headed, no wonder the others don't like him much,

I can't think of any other driver that climbed straight into a top car..

Like him or not he was in the same car as a World Champion and got more points despite all the aggro.

One thing for certain is they don't win F1 races by being all polite and letting the other guy past.

[davidlandy]

absolutely - remember the schumacher years

[carbore]

Few thoughts.

A. There has been hardly any overtaking for position in the last 5 years so no no one (stewards) can remember what to do if it happens!
B. Diddnt they forbid team order for passing (not that I agree with the ban its a "team") so any inquiry into Ferrari?
C. Did they not appoint a "firness judge" to stop McLaren form issuing team order to Alonso (In favour of Hamilton) last year ??

I think I may get a Ferrari, apparently if you park in a car park right at the back of a supermarket car park, while are shopping the FIA will move it up to the front door for you and move all the other cars down.

[gtomo2]

Sound like they are thinking of changeing the way the fia do the umpiring. by selecting three umpires for the whole season rather than 3 for every race and like mark said in the pre race talk they should have a ex race driver in the stwarts group as nonof the current ones have ever been in a race car let alone a f1 car so they don't know what the real world is like on the race track