Someone speaks their mind!!

[Boggert]

:lol:   ;)

Git.... ;)

[sMUDge]

Hey, it's an emotional subject for lot's of people!

No hard feelings  ;)



(BTW, check your wife's "visa"  :lol:   :lol:  )

[crazymac]

Lee Celtic, I think you'll find that what you posted is for NEW people coming in! if you're here and from a EU member country already then you are fine.

[Boggert]

Its is... you are right. No hard feelings but think about this...

It just bugs me, I watch my wife work hard all the time, not to mention running the local mother and toddlers group volunterally, she struggles to get any help from all the house wives who spend the long days at cofee mornings gossiping and making excuses why the are too busy to help out . Yet they want the benefit of the facilities when it suits them.

I've seen the bunch of Chavs abusing the Polish lady as she walks home from a hard day picking Collies in the fields, yet the job is just so beneth tham that they would prefer to claim the benefits.


Well if she said "Blow this for a game of poker" and went home, the farmer would struggle to get anyone to do the work, thus the price would go up or he would go bust.

There are 3 companies near me, who's success is down to the immigrant workers being on time, staying there, working hard and producing a quality product.

[sMUDge]

If someone is willing to work then great, I'm afraid to say that it's "us" Brit's who need a rocket up the jacksy 

[Boggert]

If someone is willing to work then great, I'm afraid to say that it's "us" Brit's who need a rocket up the jacksy 

Too right, our biggest mistake is not allowing the Illegal immigrants to work... They should work, all the ones I have had dealings with want to work... they want to contribute to our countries success.

[sMUDge]

Perhaps National/Community Service :-k 

Serve a few years, learn the language, pay some taxes, then be "free" to become a UK citizen and gain all the benifit's that entail's  :)

[Boggert]

Perhaps National/Community Service :-k 

Serve a few years, learn the language, pay some taxes, then be "free" to become a UK citizen and gain all the benifit's that entail's  :)

Not sure if i agree with that, but certanily put something in to the society you want to be part of is a good thing.

[lee celtic]

Hi Crazymac

Yes your right it's for new member states and includes CZ which is why I posted it ,as CZ was being discussed very loudly at the time ;)

   

Git....

  :lol: :lol:

[sMUDge]

The Germans have it mate  :D

I don't want to stereotype but:

Clever = University, get educated.
Fit = Bundeswehr, serve the Army.
None of the above = Council/Environment , help keep the streets/countryside clean.

Like I said, I don't wish to stereotype (as there are many variants) but every person "serves" two years, one way or another  :D

[Boggert]

The Germans have it mate  :D

I don't want to stereotype but:

Clever = University, get educated.
Fit = Bundeswehr, serve the Army.
None of the above = Council/Environment , help keep the streets/countryside clean.

Like I said, I don't wish to stereotype (as there are many variants) but every person "serves" two years, one way or another  :D

the same as the Czechs and a lot of Europe... look at how the economies of the most of the ex communist countries and Europe they are doing better than we are.

[Wireless]

I agree about all the mother's being 'too busy' to volunteer, I was reading in a local parish newsletter about all the mother's being so upset about the volunteer Youth Leader leaving the role at the Village Hall, the fact that the Youth Leader indicated her wish to leave the role 12 months ago, and that the parish has been waiting for another volunteer to step forward notwithstanding, many of the mother's will now have to give up there part-time work as there's no Youth Club to look after their children.

So Children's Tax Credit aside, they were all so selfish that instead of volunteering, and perhaps sharing the position, they are now out of pocket and 'stuck' with their kids.

The local Scout Group manages to avoid such nonsense, as the parents have to undertake a CRB and agree to volunteer to assist the Scout Leaders a couple of evenings a term before they accept their children into the Group.  The Parents rota goes up on the noticeboard a term in advance, and parents have the opportunity to choose, first come first served, which evenings they will be volunteering the next term.

On top of that they charge the parents £30 a term for each child attending Scouts.

Such a policy usually sorts out the lazy <edit>, maybe your wife should introduce such a parents rota to the Mother & Toddler Group, to sort the wheat from the chavs.

Sorry, couldn't resist that.

[Eeyore]

well, I'm glad you guys have finished that.

Seriously, though, any more of that kinda shenanigans and we'll lock the topic and be having words in private.  [-X

The Club motto is 'fun, friendly, free'. Don't make us change it to 'be nice or be quiet'.  ;)

Its a contentious topic, but the usual club rules apply.

Cheers
Eeyore

[lee celtic]

We had the same problem with the scouts in Llanberis  :roll:

I was the only person from our village to help with the scouts the other guy was from 10 miles away between the two of us we ran it for two years but none of the other parents were interested . In fact they would complain if we were a few Min's late starting   as we were holding them up...

glorified babysitters . I will never do anything volentry for the village again I've tried and and had no backup at all sad but true.

we tried the parent rota thing, not one signed up and I am not the type to turn kids away because of money (I'd rather fund raise and give a kid with nothing a bit of fun )

But after 2 years of courses ,checks ,red tape and begging for support I can't be bothering again.

[Boggert]

well, I'm glad you guys have finished that.

Seriously, though, any more of that kinda shenanigans and we'll lock the topic and be having words in private.  [-X

The Club motto is 'fun, friendly, free'. Don't make us change it to 'be nice or be quiet'.  ;)

Its a contentious topic, but the usual club rules apply.

Cheers
Eeyore

Valid point well put...

However I feel better for it!

[Eeyore]

Valid point well put...

However I feel better for it!

Having seen the way it ended, so do I!

Dang, you guys had me worried for a moment!  :lol:

Apologies if it came across as heavy handed - seems you folk had it well in hand.

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

I don't know, what is the world coming to? I go away for a few days relaxing work, and all hell breaks loose! All because some TV bloke with a weirdy beard fires his mouth off!

Immigration. Wow, what a topic! I have to say that in some ways I agree with what Edmonds has to say, but being a complete cycnic, sorry realist, is he near to launching another TV series? :roll: I mean, come on, this is a guy who invented a large pink inflated thing, for petes sake!

We are all descendants of immigrants somewhere along the line. The term 'English' comes from Angles, who were a warlike tribe from, surprisingly, Germany. As were the Saxons.
If it hadn't have been for immigrants from all over Europe and other countries including the West Indies and Brazil, the RAF would have had a hard job to pull of the result they did in 1940, when our blond friends across the North Sea got a pushy.

I have issues with anyone who does illegal stuff, regardless of their country of origin.

It is interesting to note, that a lot of the economic migrants from Eastern Europe are now heading back, as they are finding that GB is not what it was cracked up to be.

Saying that, I am a firm believer in setting our house in order. We have enough lazy, scrounging reprobates of our own. Lets sort them out. Oh no, sorry we can't do that! We might upset someone!

One thing I did notice when I was working with the Border Agency, there are a lot of Brit ex-pats coming back from Europe, due to life becoming 'more difficult' for them, due to what could be seen as state sponsored racism, namely an increase in taxes, no access to health care and general obstruction to planning applications. Interesting!

It could be said by some, that the Brits/English are now paying for their deeds carried out in the past.

It always amuses me that we are a country who are very proud of our heritage, and our Britishness, yet our monarchy are German! I'm reminded of a bit in one of the episodes of the third Blackadder Series when Prince George is talking with Sir Talbot Buxomley. It sums up the monarchy quite well.

T: I care not a jot that you are the son of a certified sauerkraut-sucking
loon!

G: Ah, thank you, sir.

T: It minds not me that you dress like a mad parrot and talk like a plate of
beans negotiating their way out of a cow's digestive system. It is no
skin off my rosy nose that there are bits of lemon peel floating down the
Thames that would make better Regents than you.

G: Well, bravo!

T: The fact is, you *are* Regent...

G: Yes, I am...

T: ...appointed by God, and I shall stick by you forever, though infirmity
lay me waste and ill health curse my every waking moment. (falls into the
chair)





Personally, I blame the Pixies and their attitude towards the Goblins. Just because the Pixies have wings, they think they own the place! Kick them out, I say, and reclaim the toadstools for the Gnomes! As for the Trolls, Pah! Coming over here, living under our bridges and picking on the Billy Goats Gruff! Wasters!


If you are seriously that concerned, use your vote when it comes to election time! Don't let the Nu Labour gremlins get away with another term!

Have a nice day, y'all! I'm going to sleep now, so I can be up tonight, catching the bad guys. The Sun, it burns my eyes, I'm melting, MELTING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[Sider]

LSP, could you please stop stirring the excrements??? Tension is high enough as it is without  your goblin bashing antics. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, though, I do take a limited amount of offence at Smudges comment about registering kids in a Spanish school. I haven't the faintest idea about the German health care system, and as such, I cannot comment, but as far as the Spanish educational system, I do have a small amount of knowledge.

Whereas finding a teaching position as a foreigner is quite difficult (only slightly more difficult that it would be for a spaniard) due to the nature of the tests (they involve quite a lot of local knowledge, i.e. local history, that could be difficult for, say, a maths specialist to know), registering a child in the Spanish educational system is quite straightforward, as long as you trouble yourself to learn the language, which tends to be the main reason for a lot of British families struggling to send their offspring to schools in Spain.

Incidentally, that seems to be the main reason why a lot of British expats have to lift camp and come back from Spain. At the risk of generalizing, there seems to be a certain type of expats who tend to gheto themselves in brit only pockets, and unfortunately, instead of blending in and learning the facts for themselves, they rely on other stablished parties who are not necessarily kosher.

In quite a lot of the cases where illegal building, lack of planning applications, dodgy dealings, [insert your crime of choice here] have been afflicted on british (or german) expats, the perpetrators/misinformers/persons of dubitable parentage have been Britons themselves, taking advantage of the lack of integration of their victims.

Oh, and I do agree with one of the comments in the post:

Let's go back to hating the french!!!! :lol: :lol:

[mike142sl]

, but being a complete cycnic, sorry realist, is he near to launching another TV series? :roll:

He has a book coming out  :roll:

[crazymac]

We are all descendants of immigrants somewhere along the line. The term 'English' comes from Angles, who were a warlike tribe from, surprisingly, Germany. As were the Saxons.

I'm not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can trace my history as far back as records go to Scotland! Scottish born and bred, as were my Father and Mother, Grandparents, Great Grandparents etc etc etc, My family were Proscribed of Land, Title and Deed due to Lawlessness and general misbehaviour during the attempted English occupation of Scotland and we are on record as supporting the cause!!

And I'm sure a few of my scottish brethren can join me on this claim!

Having said that..........I am an immigrant to Wales :doh:

[lee celtic]

I am an immigrant to Wales

Me too :lol: :lol:

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

We are all descendants of immigrants somewhere along the line. The term 'English' comes from Angles, who were a warlike tribe from, surprisingly, Germany. As were the Saxons.

I'm not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can trace my history as far back as records go to Scotland! Scottish born and bred, as were my Father and Mother, Grandparents, Great Grandparents etc etc etc, My family were Proscribed of Land, Title and Deed due to Lawlessness and general misbehaviour during the attempted English occupation of Scotland and we are on record as supporting the cause!!

And I'm sure a few of my scottish brethren can join me on this claim!

Having said that..........I am an immigrant to Wales :doh:

My most humble apologies to our celtic brethren! :oops: No offence was intended.
In theory, I'm not really English as my forebears were on the winning side at the Battle of Hastings, fighting for some chap called William, The 'Person Who Was The Offspring of Unmarried Parents'.
So, am I French by descent? Seeing as the Normans were resettled Vikings, I suppose I could claim Scandinavian heritage.
Blimey, this immigration stuff is so complicated!
Now pass me the garlic, I have some frogs legs and snail foie gras to stuff down mon neck, sil vous plait, plume de ma tante, l'ecole du fromage, maintenant!

[crazymac]

No offence taken LSP

[thermidorthelobster]

Personally I have the utmost respect for the bearded celebrity who talks such common sense.

[Boggert]

Personally I have the utmost respect for the bearded celebrity who talks such common sense.

Now I feel better seeing he has totally lost the plot!

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

I knew it! Nothing more than a bit of self publicity for the strangely facially haired, orb watching, crinkley bottomed TV B Lister!  :roll:

[crazymac]

I can't say I particularly like Mr Edmonds BUT he does do a lot of good!

The "Noels Christmas presents" year on year helping out people that have very little, and lataly he's started "Noels HQ"

Now I know that its always "Noels" but at least he's doing some good!

"Through amazing donations from British companies, Noel will endeavour to give Troop Aid a huge helping hand by offering supplies, storage space and accommodation for families visiting their loved ones in hospital. There may also be a surprise in store to reward Matt himself for his astounding bravery."

and lots of other stuff can be read about here http://sky1.sky.com/noels-hq