moral obligation

[lambert]

 i am aware of a person whom is running their motor on a combination of cooking oil bought in bulk through a food supplier paid at trade price and on cherry diesel bought for cash through a shoot. i find this leaves a bad taste with me when said person brags about not paying even a quarter what i do for my fuel.

as such i feel obliged to report them to the authorities, but who should i tell? would hm customs be better or is it a matter for the police?

don't get me wrong i don't like paying what i do for my fuel to our corrupt system but by the same token if i have to pay then i would like it better if those around me did too.

[Frankie-Boy]

Well it isn't illegal to use cooking oil in your motor but red diesel certainly is illegal unless its registered as a farm vehicle, I'm sure H M Customs would be interested in it.

[auf_wiedersehen_pet]

I'm sure H M Customs would be interested in it.

That's where I'd start.

[lambert]

ah i thought you had to pay some duty on cooking oil all be it at a lower rate than dino diesel? i'll get a number for hmc see what they say.

[Frankie-Boy]

You can use up to 2500 litres a year without attracting tax but you should keep all receipts to prove your usage.

[boss]

as red is untaxed you can not be on the road with it atall!

[Rich_P]

Red diesel is taxed, but at a lower rate.

[Gordo]

HM Revenue & Customs has a fraud hotline that you can phone: 0800 595 000.

Or you can do it online.

HTH :)

[bigfatsi]

A difficult question - one that seems to be very much based on personal perspective. A moral obligation and sour grapes can so easily be mistaken.

The thing is - if you wish to uphold moral obligations then you should react this way to ALL forms of illegal activity regardless of triviality. Turning a blind eye for example to a mate's tyres extending past the wheelarches is illegal and poses a danger whilst avoiding the duty is also illegal. As is downloading a workshop manual from a website or posting certain pictures. It is nigh on impossible to navigate the myriads regulations we are faced with - hence why they change so often!

Depends who you want to be. Personally I don't think it's possible to live your life whilst maintaining such a whiter than white approach (deities excepted) and will stick to maintaining my morals at the big stuff - car theft, drunk drivers, assaults, child abuse and leave the misdemeanours to those that be.

Not judging. Just my 2 cents.

Simon

[Tommo]

A difficult question - one that seems to be very much based on personal perspective. A moral obligation and sour grapes can so easily be mistaken.

The thing is - if you wish to uphold moral obligations then you should react this way to ALL forms of illegal activity regardless of triviality. Turning a blind eye for example to a mate's tyres extending past the wheelarches is illegal and poses a danger whilst avoiding the duty is also illegal. As is downloading a workshop manual from a website or posting certain pictures. It is nigh on impossible to navigate the myriads regulations we are faced with - hence why they change so often!

Depends who you want to be. Personally I don't think it's possible to live your life whilst maintaining such a whiter than white approach (deities excepted) and will stick to maintaining my morals at the big stuff - car theft, drunk drivers, assaults, child abuse and leave the misdemeanours to those that be.

Not judging. Just my 2 cents.

Simon

+1. Well said.

I would never run on red. If other people want to run the risks then so be it.
 

[wormster]

+ 2!

[Drift]

In the greater scheme of things there are one hell of a lot worse illegal things going on out there.

Cast the first stone and all that ?

+3

[Steve ray]

HMCE & nail the smug "person of dubious parentage"  ;)

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[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

Running on red, means he will lose his car as well as having the Revenue looking into his accounts. The dye that is put in will stay in the fuel lines and filters.
Drop a nudge to HMRC. Very few Police officers would know what to do if you told them about it. The traffic bods might. From experience, if someone is doing that sort of thing, they'll no doubt be up to something else as well.

[lambert]

what upset me is not the act itself but the attitude. if you want to break the law do it quietly don't bang on about how clever you think you are.

[freelanderpx54]

I agree with BBM. If you are going to break the law, keep it quiet. If you are going to broadcast your misdemeanors, you are quite happy to dare the authorities to do do something.

[Smego]

Personally I would keep my nose out of it unless I hated him.

[Tommo]

Personally I would keep my nose out of it unless I hated him.

Haha yeah!  :lol:

[Range Rover Blues]

I agree with BBM. If you are going to break the law, keep it quiet. If you are going to broadcast your misdemeanors, you are quite happy to dare the authorities to do do something.

Have to say I agree.  We all like to bend therules at some time, but people who refuse to pay timer and again just leave us to pay for them.  To then rub your nose in it is just steping over the line.

[Gordo]

One thing I've never understood is why people think some forms of fraud or theft are acceptable.

People who wouldn't dream of stealing a bar of chocolate from Tesco, will quite happily travel on a train without buying a ticket.

It's the same with this chap who is using red diesel fraudulently - I bet he wouldn't dream of shoplifting.