big suspension touching wheel arches

[clover]

Hi

I fitted llama 4x4 dislocating suspension and i am am having a problem.

My 235 85 R16 tyres on standard alloys at colliding with the inner well arches on extreme articulation.

I could go further where they not colliding.

Now the question is what can i do about it?

i though about spacers but the only onces i can find are 30mm!     

[Chris Putt]

Drop the sock mounts and lower the bump stops slightly?

[Jake]

There's a few options to solve your problem.
Wheels spacers or wheels with a large offset, fit bigger bump stops to prevent the axle coming up to much or fit smaller than you current 31" tyres
I have 33" tyres on my Disco with a 2" lift and i dont get any rubbing.
 :-.

[clover]

I think these are meant to used with standard bump stops

Trouble is if i get 30mm bump stops then i guess i will have to watch then fouling the wings and they will need will need wheel arch extensions?

They are fitted with special shock mounts.

[Jake]

Weird...
I used to run 235/85/16's on factory alloys with a 2" Scorpion lift and never had a problem with them rubbing, not even the radius arms.

I'm now running 33" Simex with Flexi arches and Old Man Emu suspension and still having no issues with rubbing, apart from on full lock they rub the radius arms.


It sounds like somethings not right with your suspension set up. Is every thing looking normal/done up tight/the right way up?
 :?

[clover]

Yes but I have 11" of travel on my system and fully dislocating cone which is more that the the system you are current running.

As well as 4" of lift on the back and 3" on the to make the vehicle sit level and fully trimmed wheel arches

[clbarclay]

Which part of the inner wheel arches are they rubbing on, at the top or against the vertical faces?


If you just extend the bumpstops to the point that the tyres don't rub then you may find it ends up regararly hitting or running the bumpstops while driving which is not ideal. By either stiffening the springs or increasing the lift as well so it rearly hits the bumptops would be better.

I found on my RRC with the size tyres, springs and I was running and the 11" travel setup, I would have needed to extend the bumpstops by 3". This would have left about 1" between the axle and bumpstop when parked on leval ground which is not good. As a interim solution I am running an old set of front dampers on the rear until I sort out some more suitable springs and maby a bit more body lift.

[clover]

The vertical faces. For springs i have fairly new heavy duty police ones standard ride height supposedly but they actually give abut an 1" or so of lift.

[Disco_Stu]

Have you fitted the Llama raised shock mounts?

As you probably know, the raised mounts allow more upward travel. The only way to stop the rubbing is to push the tyres further out with modulars, fit longer bumpstops (But then whats the point...?) or use smaller tyres, again, not a great option.

I suppose you could fabricate completely new rear arches that can accomodate your tyres but thats a bit extreme for a 32" tyre.

I'd go for modulars mate, and even then you may need spacers unless you get a small + or - offset wheel (Deep dish etc). Disco alloys have a fair size  + offset, it seems a bit ar5e about face but thats how its calculated.

Stu.

[Chris C]

I'd also check your bushes....... if there is a fair bit of play you may rub

[clbarclay]

The vertical faces. For springs i have fairly new heavy duty police ones standard ride height supposedly but they actually give abut an 1" or so of lift.

If its just the vertical faces then changing the wheels back spacing should improve it though you could end up like mine where the tyres rubbed on both the top and vertical faces of the inner wheel arches.

If i didn't plan on keeping the rear seats then I would opt for cutting out and remaking the inner wheel arches bigger.

[will98]

hi i have a 4" f and b lift with 33"tyers.plus a 2"body lift and i get no rubing,.....
any way i was looking at the  llama  kit what do you think off it . do you have any pic of it .????

[Jake]

i was looking at the  llama  kit what do you think off it

Sounds like it makes your tyres rub to me  :roll:
Extreme!
 :|

[scatt]

hi i have a 4" f and b lift with 33"tyers.plus a 2"body lift and i get no rubing,.....
any way i was looking at the  llama  kit what do you think off it . do you have any pic of it .????

Have a look in the moddified vehicles section theres some info there.

[Jake]

Still sounds to me like there's a problem with your set up on the disco
I've been having a read around and there's plenty of happy customers out there.
Try contacting the supplier and see if they can shed any light on the problem
 :D

[clbarclay]

My 235 85 R16 tyres on standard alloys at colliding with the inner well arches

Sometimes it pays to reread threads from the start, I had missed the "standard alloys" the first time round. I recon you may be the first person I've come across that uses a Gwyn Lewis/LLama kit with big tyres and standard offset wheels. The increasing travel causes the axle to rotate further than standard, causing the top  of the tyre (on the compressed side) to move further inwards than before as a result. Can you get hold of a set of the same size tyres on different offset wheels to try?

Also when the tyres starts to rub, how much clearance is there between the top of the tyre and the top/rounded face of the wheel arch?
And when a tyre starts to rub, how much more travel is there left in the entended damper?

[Disco_Stu]

I run disco alloys on mine but with 30mm spacers to eliminate the rubbing. If I win the modulars I'm bidding on my spacers will be up for sale.

Scorpion TUV approved billet alloy spacers, we may slate scrapiron but these are good quality and have never come loose despite getting some serious headache from me off road - £260 new. A sensible offer will secure.

Bear in mind that if you do RTV's or anything similar they are not allowed.

Stu.

[clover]

[Disco_Stu]

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[clover]

guess i should try some modulars on it instead

[Xtremeteam]

I run disco alloys on mine but with 30mm spacers to eliminate the rubbing. If I win the modulars I'm bidding on my spacers will be up for sale.

Scorpion TUV approved billet alloy spacers, we may slate scrapiron but these are good quality and have never come loose despite getting some serious headache from me off road - £260 new. A sensible offer will secure.

Bear in mind that if you do RTV's or anything similar they are not allowed.

Stu.

£100 for the spacers

[Disco_Stu]

I love it mate, considering your sig an all :)

I'll pm you in a week or so, won my new modulars last night, pick em up from leeds this week. Once I can fit them and be sure the spacers are redundant I'll be in touch.

Stu.

[clover]

OK but i'll have to ask my financial adviser as i'm a bit skint at the moment.

[Xtremeteam]

I love it mate, considering your sig an all :)

I'll pm you in a week or so, won my new modulars last night, pick em up from leeds this week. Once I can fit them and be sure the spacers are redundant I'll be in touch.

Stu.

No probs

will await your Pm

[clbarclay]

OK but i'll have to ask my financial adviser as i'm a bit skint at the moment.

There seems to be a fair few mud clubers from Birmingham, before spending money you may be able to borrow a spare 235/85r16 on a different offset wheel to test on the ramp you have.

[Disco_Stu]

I can tuck mine in this far with very slight rubbing on the arches. But I've just fitted bigger tyres....grinders coming out I think......

[clover]

Yes i can see those plastic arches not saying on for long

[kiteman0]

ive got a 2" lift with 265/75/16 tyres
plus flexi arches
and the tryes do rub on full articulation

[Bulli]

you need more flex mate ;) thatll solve it ;)