Topic: If I was an MP (Read 3988 times)

MudRat · « **on:** May 12, 2009, 20:40:51 »

I would def get all the work done on the Landy for free, consider it a essentail expense :twisted:

Lyndsey731 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2009, 08:40:40 »

If I were an MP I'd hang my head in shame and resign!!
They wonder why nobody believes a word they say, thieving gits!

denviks · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2009, 08:55:18 »

im not going to bother voting now...they are all as bad as each other

Frankie-Boy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2009, 09:23:43 »

The trouble with not voting is that however hard you try you cannot complain about whoever gets in, if you don't vote then you are just letting any joker get in, I know, I know they're all jokers really but you gotta try and pick the best of the bunch. ;) :D :D

Lyndsey731 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2009, 09:35:28 »

Frank
Normally I would agree with you but I have to point out that NOBODY voted for our current Prime Minister, what sort of democracy is that I ask?

boss · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2009, 10:27:31 »

Quote from: Frankie-Boy on May 13, 2009, 09:23:43

The trouble with not voting is that however hard you try you cannot complain about whoever gets in, if you don't vote then you are just letting any joker get in, I know, I know they're all jokers really but you gotta try and pick the best of the bunch. ;) :D :D

well said that man!

if you dont vote then you give up your right to moan :D

prime example of this was last night when i was at hospital, waiting in the fracture clinic for a new cast.....like hospitals do they were running late. the woman behind me was just looking for something to moan about "ahhh i hate the simpsons" or "theres never anything good to read" which is fine, what ever im not going to cause a fuss but then she said "this wouldnt be tolirated at a bupa hospital" ....where the hell does she get off saying that! she obviously doesnt pay to got to a bupa hospital so she cant comment on how the two differ in that way. she then used that old gem "i pay my taxes, i shouldnt be kept waiting like this"
your right you do but so do i and so does evereybody else even the doctors and nurses working at adenbrooks. so how does that give you prioroty over anyone else?! then i was amazed as i heard another one........"you know it because of where i comefrom that there keeping us waiting" i look around and i see a muslim woman in her black ninja suite thing (apolagies i know not what its called) i had been waiting there longer! arghhhh anger!

i say we vote in a government who keeps bored literate ninja muslim woman entertained and at the front of the que at NHS hospitals at all times! :thumbup:

SteveGoodz · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2009, 11:17:02 »

Quote from: Lyndsey731 on May 13, 2009, 09:35:28

Frank
Normally I would agree with you but I have to point out that NOBODY voted for our current Prime Minister, what sort of democracy is that I ask?

It's the best sort of democracy. The alternative is the American system where the electorate vote for a President separately from the two houses of legislature ... and look where that gets them! You end up with Presidents like Nixon (dishonest), Reagan (failed actor), Clinton (corrupt) and George W Bush (illiterate and ineffective). The jury is still out on Obama.

No-one votes for the Prime Minister at a General Election - you cast your vote for the local candidate of a national party. For most people that means a vote for the party that best meets your expectations and aspirations. The elevation of an MP to the position of PM has always been a matter for the party in power never the electorate.

Frankie-Boy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2009, 11:31:48 »

None of us votes for any Prime Minister, we get what the winning lot have at the top at the time or whoever they shove into the limelight in the event of the PM doing a runner. ;)

Personally and this might cause a few raised eyebrows, I think it should be compulsory to vote in any elections, that would be one sure way of getting a fairer result and you have used your democratic right and if your chosen nominee doesn't get in, then you'd have the right to moan about it, but it'll never happen - some of us will keep voting and hoping but loads of people will say " I can't be bothered" and again they'll be the ones moaning about the government.

For pity's sake VOTE and try and change things.

Lyndsey731 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2009, 11:37:52 »

Steve/Frank
I don't think it's as black and white as that (whilst I don't disagree with the accuracy of your comment) People do vote for a Prime Minister although be it indirectly. Whilst I accept that this is a personal view I wouldn't vote for the local candidate if his views were similar to mine but differed from the PM's, because at the end of the day all he/she does is what they are told from the top, the PM has the final say on policy. I think people vote for the person as much as the policy and my point was simply that nobody voted for a Labour Party with Gordon Brown at the Helm.
As for voting I agree with you Frank, vote and change things, you have the right use it! the problem being that as we are a democracy it would appear that for some unknown reason the majority are happy the way things are (mind you the alternatives don't seem exceptionaly appealing sometimes)

gnasha · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2009, 11:52:21 »

they all lie to get voted in then say they need to sort out what the last lot done then just copy what they done and raise taxes and try to keep everyone on side by putting out more lies you could vote in a compleatly new party and they would still fall into the old party's routines with more and more comeing out about mp's less and less are trusting them anyway

V8MoneyPit · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2009, 13:02:03 »

We had a UKIP leaflet through the door yesterday. Now, in the past I would have dismissed them as an extremist minority party. But I read the leaflet and found myself thinking about it rather than just binning it :shock:

Have the major parties really got so bad that I consider UKIP as a possibilty??? Scary, if you ask me!

SteveGoodz · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2009, 13:43:43 »

Quote from: Lyndsey731 on May 13, 2009, 11:37:52

Steve/Frank
I don't think it's as black and white as that (whilst I don't disagree with the accuracy of your comment) People do vote for a Prime Minister although be it indirectly. Whilst I accept that this is a personal view I wouldn't vote for the local candidate if his views were similar to mine but differed from the PM's, because at the end of the day all he/she does is what they are told from the top, the PM has the final say on policy. I think people vote for the person as much as the policy and my point was simply that nobody voted for a Labour Party with Gordon Brown at the Helm.

Lyndsey, you're right, of course. What I (and Frank) were saying is that the ideal of the voting system in the UK is not about personalities. Of course what happens in reality is that people vote for the party of the person that they want to see as PM. This is a fault of society in that (generally) politics isn't taught to our children either at home or in school, so when young people get to vote for the first time they are likely to follow their parents' lead ... if they vote at all.

On a personal note I, like Frank, would like to see voting made compulsary and would even add to that failing to vote should curtail your eligability to receive social benefits and certain priveledges of citizenship (e.g passport and driving license) on the basis that if you can't be bothered to take an active part in society you don't deserve to benefit from that society. I'll just get my flack jacket and helmet :D

Lyndsey731 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2009, 14:01:01 »

I think you might need them Steve!! :lol:

In some ways I agree with that principal, don't moan or expect if you don't participate, but I guess that kind of goes against the democratic way of freedom of choice, choice of party or choice to abstain, though not voting does seem such a waste of privilege.

denviks · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2009, 14:50:30 »

so why make people pick someone they dont want to see in power.... thats what compulsory voting would do surely??

me... i WILL NOT vote for any of these mupets. they all lie and cheat their way in to power. they then live off the normal guy in the streets hard work and toil and make out that they are the ones hard done by!

if there was one candidate that was worth voting for then i would. but you wont see me out there moaning as i couldnt give a rats you know what who is in power....they are all jokes :( :(

Ridgeback · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2009, 15:19:40 »

Its one thing saying you must vote but what do they all do to get younger people to vote.

Many of my friends are under 30 and don't bother because they don't understand the system or what each party stands for.
When I was at school they never covered any of this(not sure if they do now)

Each Party spend to long putting each other down rather then highlighting what they will do.
The lady next door to me (she is about 70) has read someting that the BNP put through the door, She now wants to vote for them because she does not understand all the other things they stand for. She is going on a few selected issues they highlighted. My younger brother is 19 and his mates also think the BNP are OK because they mention UK jobs for UK people.
They have both picked up on one very small part of what the party stands for and decided to vote for them!!!!

This can be said of every party that wants votes. They will list a limited number of issues in the hope you will vote for them. If your not very up on each party's other polices, then you could be voting for a party that you might not fully understand.

I think its this problem and lack of trust that holds many people back from voting

Sider · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2009, 18:39:59 »

I have to say that, being unable to vote on the general elections on account of my nationality, I do feel a tiny bit annoyed at people not voting. Having said that, if I was eligible for voting, I'd really struggle to chose a party/candidate.

What happened to that campaign to get Clarkson elected to parliament? Now that would be my kind of candidate. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

wvanman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2009, 19:46:37 »

I will vote for the green (lanning) Party lol :lol:

Mutz · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2009, 21:31:53 »

Don't think this thread was started as a why you should or shouldnt vote.

The problem is how do you stop, lying, thieving, well paid MP's, stealing our hard earned cash to pay for something they could easily afford out of their salary; which we pay!!

For senseless, non work related items.

And if you vote or not has nothing to do with it, you pay tax, you have a right to moan.

We should pay for them to get to work, and pay for staying in the capital. Only if they cant get to the capital and back in under 2hrs. on public transport.

BUT..............

They must keep their bus reciepts, and get a reciept from the night shelter to prove they paid, they would have to pay for food where ever they are so thats a no go. ( does your boss pay for your food? )

And as for second homes, if they use OUR money for purchase or upgrading it, when its sold the money and ALL profit should be given back; not kept as a bonus.

There i feel better for that :dance:

lee celtic · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2009, 22:07:45 »

I Think a good idea would be firstly for the MP's to live in the place where they represent

then after the Olympics (don't get me started on that) they should keep the Olympic village (flats where the athletes stay) and assign one each to the mp's to stay in (or better share) that way they won't need a second home... Like a big mp travel lodge with a big dinning room . they would only need security in one place then saving even more money.

I was listening to http://www.rockradio.co.uk/scotland/ today and one of the dj's made a good point ...If you or me conned £13,000 out of our employer we would be inside , But an Mp has just written a cheque and sent it back and all is forgiven . He also said if he nicked something from a shop then got caught down the road he wouldn't just be able to pay for it and walk away ..

All their spending should be on public record .....

Mutz · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2009, 22:11:43 »

Excellent idea Lee, have you ever thought about being PM??

Id vote for ya :clap:

lee celtic · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2009, 22:39:10 »

You Know what ,,,,, I am thinking about it :twisted:

The local politicians are all bent so it would be good to shake it up a bit

I don't know wether I would get in though as I'm not trying to build a house on greenbelt land .... [-X

mad geordies · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2009, 23:12:48 »

i think there should be a propper investigation not just for this year but deeper like the last ten years, i have paid the wrong tax ( self employed) and i have to repay it back from years ago so why shouldnt they!!! all a bunch of liars, rich yes, powerfull yes, trustworthy? DEFO NOT! bet if the police dig there will be alot more than that coes to light but they will get away with it cos they have money behind them

sv130 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 14, 2009, 08:39:32 »

It doesn,t matter who you vote for... The GOVERNMENT always get in.. [-X

Can anyone really say there has been a difference between how we are treated by this government and how we were treated by the last government?

It seems they feel that only they are clever enough to run the country, I,m fairly sure if they all disappeared today (Lord Lucan style) some one else would just step up and run the system exactly the same way.
Its not the politicians or the voting public thats wrong they just do what their predecessors did, its the whole gravy train that needs changing.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Unfortunately putting politicians in the Olympic village would never happen, they would just say its too easy a target for terrorists, and then fortify the area to keep out the riffraff etc and before you knew what was happening the whole area would become the most sought after address since Canary Wharf.
Rant over..
Gaz

V8MoneyPit · « **Reply #23 on:** May 14, 2009, 11:52:10 »

If MP's need second homes, they should be made to live in the empty MOD houses. The government might then do something about the dreadful state of them.

lambert · « **Reply #24 on:** May 14, 2009, 19:31:20 »

to my mind a good idea was put forward, in that those who want to be in power are the last people who should have any.

dazzawhipple · « **Reply #25 on:** May 17, 2009, 14:49:46 »

Quote from: Frankie-Boy on May 13, 2009, 11:31:48

None of us votes for any Prime Minister, we get what the winning lot have at the top at the time or whoever they shove into the limelight in the event of the PM doing a runner. ;)

Personally and this might cause a few raised eyebrows, I think it should be compulsory to vote in any elections, that would be one sure way of getting a fairer result and you have used your democratic right and if your chosen nominee doesn't get in, then you'd have the right to moan about it, but it'll never happen - some of us will keep voting and hoping but loads of people will say " I can't be bothered" and again they'll be the ones moaning about the government.

For pity's sake VOTE and try and change things.

Frank

We have compulsory voting here...... it dont work We have just had a referendum here on daylight savings ( There are more important things I know!!!!) and over 20% of the voters didn't vote $20 fine on there way

Darren

Frankie-Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** May 17, 2009, 16:07:40 »

Hi Darren, hope you're doing ok over there. :D

If you got 20% of your Australian voters not doing so I'd see that as a result compared to here, you know yourself that we'd be lucky to get 20% that DID vote, then 90% of them would whinge about whoever got into power, and in any case the government wouldn't mind if folk didn't vote coz it would be another way of filling the coffers.

karoshi · « **Reply #27 on:** May 18, 2009, 09:21:46 »

to the people in this thread who've said that they aren't going to bother voting can i please make a suggestion?

rather than just not voting at all, and therefore being counted into the massive "can't be bothered" section of the public, actually take the time to go to the polling station and write something along the lines of "i do not wish vote for any of this shower of <squeaks>" across your polling slip.

this counts as a "spoiled ballot paper" and has to be counted as a deliberate vote for no-one.

It's never happened before but in theory if there's a big enough percentage of "spoiled" votes the election won't stand and it'll force the main partys to actually look at their policies and image for a change.

As for me, i'll vote for any party that promises the things that i want, namely not forcing ID cards on the public and re-instating the 25yr rolling tax exemption :(

Gordo · « **Reply #28 on:** May 18, 2009, 12:58:38 »

Quote from: Lyndsey731 on May 13, 2009, 09:35:28

I have to point out that NOBODY voted for our current Prime Minister, what sort of democracy is that I ask?

Not quite true - the voters in Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath elected him as their MP.

As for the system of expenses, it has effectively become part of their pay. If you think about the responsibilities an MP has compared to someone in industry, the MP earns a lot less.

Yes, some of the MPs did take unfair advantage, but I would be interested to go through the expense claims of the journalists who broke this story because I bet there are a few skeletons in their closet too.

zebidee · « **Reply #29 on:** May 18, 2009, 23:00:05 »

Quote from: KTM Gordo on May 18, 2009, 12:58:38

As for the system of expenses, it has effectively become part of their pay. If you think about the responsibilities an MP has compared to someone in industry, the MP earns a lot less.

OK - I'll give you that ... now how about they operate as capably as someone in industry.

My wife has worked with MPs in the past on projects in the public sector & frankly they'd be complete failures if they were being paid for performance.

Z~

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