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common land
« on: June 16, 2009, 20:34:59 »
can  you use this with a 4x4?

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Re: common land
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2009, 20:57:40 »
This may answer your question:

Vehicle access on common land
Date posted: 06/08/04

In a number of villages there are private houses where vehicular access to the
property is by means of track across a common from the nearest public road.
Until about ten years ago it was generally assumed that these houses would have
obtained rights of access by prescription providing the vehicular rights have
been used for over twenty years.

However in 1993 the Court of Appeal decided in Hanning v Top Deck Travel Group
Ltd that owners of this type of property would not be able to claim
prescriptive rights of access because Section 193 (4) of the Law of Property
Act 1925 created an offence of driving a vehicle over a common without lawful
authority. Therefore a right of way could not be acquired by prescription
either under the Prescription Act 1832 or by way of lost modern grant as this
would rely upon conduct that was prohibited by statute.

The consequence of the decision in Hanning was that it encouraged owners of
commons to charge adjoining householders up to 30% of the value of their
properties in return for granting specific vehicular rights of way to the
houses. Speculators were even purchasing the freehold of common land in
England and Wales for the sole purpose of extracting money from local residents
who had assumed that they had an established right of vehicular access across
the common to their homes when they purchased the property. Even public
authorities have been charging for access under pressure from the Treasury.

The Government decided that they needed to act in these cases and therefore
Section 68 of the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 was enacted in order
to limit the problem. This did not create a complete solution as an easement
created under these regulations has to be paid for but at lower rates than that
demanded by the owners of the commons. It was a compromise as the Government
recognised that some owners of commons, such as the National Trust and Parish
Councils, were entitled to seek to obtain a financial benefit from the law as
set out in Hanning and it was not its purpose to deprive them of it.

On 1 April this year the House of Lords ruled in the case of Bakewell
Management Limited v Brandwood and Others that residents living next to Newtown
Common near Newbury could use a track across the common for free. This
overrules the Court of Appeal decision in Hanning and means that the provisions
relating to access over commons in the Countryside and Rights Way Act 2000 are
redundant.

This recent decision will be of considerable benefit to owners of properties
adjoining commons and will mean that some owners who have paid for a right of
way may well be entitled to a refund by arguing that the payments were made
under a mistake of law. This may be difficult to achieve if the owner of the
common is a private individual or company which cannot be traced, but if the
owner of the common is a public landowner or a body such as the National Trust,
the potential claims may have a considerable impact on the finances of these
organisations.



There is an offence of driving other than on a road, which is most likely to be the offence.

My advice would be if there is any doubt, stick to the road and highway; if you know its a byway and have checked the Definitive Map, then there shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: common land
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2009, 21:49:06 »
it depends if you are a commoner yourself with rights to that common land. usually for stock grazing, firewood collection, etc... ( i know coz im a yokel)hehe. so not really allowed to drive on them unless you are visiting stock you have on it etc...

"there is now a public right of access to nearly all common land under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 , but it is not automatically so. The laws as applied to common land are often the same as for any other piece of private land, except for certain people who possess commoners’ rights. This is a complex and very locally variable part of the law, and readers should seek local advice about the exact status of the land and its users before trying anything on what they think might be common land"
http://www.naturenet.net/law/commonland.html

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Re: common land
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2009, 22:08:35 »
so thats a no then [-X

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Re: common land
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 19:47:49 »
No
Technically you can get a section 59 in your own garden and with no appeal or court hearing well you are stuck.
The key is "written land owners permission", keep it in your pocket or drive on the roads only.
Its a mine field best avoided
Remember it will come in handy even if you never use it

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Re: common land
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 09:12:48 »
Its a mine field best avoided

Ah yes..... mine fields are definately best avoided, be they common land or not  :P Sorry, couldn't resist  :lol:
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Re: common land
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 09:56:14 »
Its a mine field best avoided

Ah yes..... mine fields are definately best avoided, be they common land or not  :P Sorry, couldn't resist  :lol:

tut tut steve

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Re: common land
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 10:12:54 »
Gen X - why do you ask???

Is it a shire question??
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Re: common land
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2009, 19:22:06 »
was thinking of popping up onto the clee hill and its all coman ground just wondered were we stand is all stew

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Re: common land
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2009, 14:39:40 »
Clee Hill.......NO No No
Keep to recognised RoW's only.
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Re: common land
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2009, 14:56:57 »
Clee Hill.......NO No No
Keep to recognised RoW's only.

I'd concur with that. Definately stick to the rules. It is not worth losing your vehicle over. :shock:

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Re: common land
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2009, 16:55:42 »
Thanx guys
this is why i askt  :grin:

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Re: common land
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2009, 21:52:29 »
As they say Si....Obviouly whilst down there drive the BOAT nar Clee St Margeret..as well
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Re: common land
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2009, 21:54:33 »
yeah was the plan stew

gonna do them kiddy ones in few weeks see wot there like

prob get more scratches on the disco lol hoohum :dance:

 






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