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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2005, 21:06:17 »
A farmer local me (and you Guy) has a lovely big tank of red for his tractors and other machinery.   He also has a very diesel Disco.

Is he really going to buy diesel for 80something P a litre????

dilemma?
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2005, 21:07:14 »
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A farmer local me (and you Guy) has a lovely big tank of red for his tractors and other machinery.   He also has a very diesel Disco.


I know :twisted:

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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2005, 21:13:15 »
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The other little thing that is forgotten is that not only can the customs and excise seize the vehicle, but they can go for the back duty for as long as you owned the vehicle and will investigate other tax issues,  :D


Yep. See you in the morning :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

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Hey guy I will just leave the key out so you dont have to knock loudly at 3 o`clock :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :shock:  :(
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2005, 21:17:36 »
It's easy to find out, you don't have to dip the tank anymore,
A quick swab stuck up the tailpipe will tell you if it's runing on red.:wink:
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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2005, 21:43:02 »
We will not use red diesel  :^o
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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2005, 22:26:49 »
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Oftern you would be fined in that circumstance


Who decides if it is to be a fine and how much it will be?
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« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2005, 22:28:45 »
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Oftern you would be fined in that circumstance


Who decides if it is to be a fine and how much it will be?


The officer dealing with the case. In serious cases then HM Customs & Excise Solicitor's Office.

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« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2005, 22:36:34 »
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The officer dealing with the case. In serious cases then HM Customs & Excise Solicitor's Office.


Not a magistrate then or any other member of the judicial system. Just a single person who is investigator, prosacuter, defence, judge and jury (oh and fine collector).

What happens to the siezed cars BTW?
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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2005, 22:39:26 »
Bob,

The cars are impounded until the case is complete. Then they are either returned or sold at public auction without reserve. Adverts appear in the relevant local paper.


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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2005, 22:40:35 »
where does the money go :?:
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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2005, 22:42:00 »
And could you put a defender by for me. :D
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2005, 22:42:30 »
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where does the money go :?:


HM Tresury.

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« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2005, 22:43:26 »
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And could you put a defender by for me. :D


Haven't seen a Land Rover on the list for a long time. Mostly private hire cars and white vans.

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« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2005, 22:48:25 »
Are HMC&E officials allowed to buy them? Even the person that decided to sieze it in the first place?
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« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2005, 22:50:26 »
well i know of a few 90's & 110's that are run on cherry & there all kited up so ill keep my eyes peeled for them getting humped by the custom n exciss folk,ASLONG as i can get the 90 please ???????????????
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« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2005, 23:11:30 »
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Are HMC&E officials allowed to buy them? Even the person that decided to seize it in the first place?

I'm sure this would be frowned upon by the HMC&E superiors.
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2005, 00:11:02 »
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I'm sure this would be frowned upon by the HMC&E superiors.


Why? They dont seem to be accountable to any one but the goverment who are a bunch of self serving individuals anyway.

Perhaps I should be more accurate

Is it legal for HMC&E officials buy them? Even the person that decided to sieze it in the first place?
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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2005, 00:44:24 »
We aren't allowed to buy items that have been subject to seizure action.

I don't know if it is a legal position but is is certainly in our books of guidance that we don't do it.

If you know of any vehicle using rebated fuel illegally then you should inform your nearest HMC&E office.


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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2005, 09:49:00 »
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certainly in our books of guidance that we don't do it.


Haaaa, the resemblance to the 'Pirates Code' continues  :P

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If you know of any vehicle using rebated fuel illegally then you should inform your nearest HMC&E office.


errrrr..... no. I dont think so. If there was any justice in your system then I would, just as I would with a real crime*.  



* "Real Crime" being defined as an action that is dealt with by the judicial system not by non accountable tax collectors.
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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2005, 10:07:50 »
dont know if this has been mentioned in this thread already but farmers will incure the same penalty if they drive their tractors on the road for more than is necessary,

driving from farm to field is fine but when it comes to contracting, its a grey area, but i think the police leave them alone

however those who drive stuff like fastracs which do fast road work they might clamp down on those.

i recall someone who drove from where i grew up to leicester to pick up a muck spreader.....


dont ask

btw where i grew up is 10 mins from fishguard in pembrokeshire!
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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2005, 10:11:27 »
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driving from farm to field is fine but when it comes to contracting, its a grey area, but i think the police leave them alone


Not round here they don't.   Tanks are regularly dipped.
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« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2005, 10:17:18 »
ah things may have changed from my contracting days then  :wink:

i do hear of them dipping the farmer's 4x4's where they take livestock to the market.

personally this hasnt happened to me


btw when u said the fuel is different, i was told the only difference is the dye which is used to differentiate between the two fuels.
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« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2005, 10:22:54 »
I won't say it with any authority, but I believe they don't mess around with red diesel as much as DERV.

My understanding is that they all come from the same tank but are then doped / treated depending on the customer.  So the Diesel from a Tesco forecourt has a different set of chemicals in it than (for example) the BP 'Super-Diesel' stuff.
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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2005, 10:39:21 »
i agree

but the price differs too!

i dont know how much difference these "super" diesels are compared to the run of the mill diesel.

is it worth the extra pennies per litre?
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« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2005, 11:19:30 »
I run my dedicated off road shogun on red diesel with no adverse effects at all and i havent noticed a differance in smell or performance either.
It costs me £7 for 25L from the farmer who stores the shoggy.
The truck will never be on the road again so this is perfectly legal.
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« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2005, 11:25:24 »
ive no problem with that

however i do know the smell of red vs white is different too
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« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2005, 12:24:51 »
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We aren't allowed to buy items that have been subject to seizure action.

I don't know if it is a legal position but is is certainly in our books of guidance that we don't do it.


Guy

I was not going to get into this discution but as much as I respect you Guy and the job you do (which has to be done by somebody) if you are telling me that no HMC&E officer has ever bought a item off a person that has bought it in an auction of HMC&E items I am having great difficult believing you.
I am sure you have not done that your self but whould you bet your house on the fact it has never happened, I don't think so :!:
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« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2005, 12:38:17 »
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We aren't allowed to buy items that have been subject to seizure action.

I don't know if it is a legal position but is is certainly in our books of guidance that we don't do it.


Guy

I was not going to get into this discution but as much as I respect you Guy and the job you do (which has to be done by somebody) if you are telling me that no HMC&E officer has ever bought a item off a person that has bought it in an auction of HMC&E items I am having great difficult believing you.
I am sure you have not done that your self but whould you bet your house on the fact it has never happened, I don't think so :!:


Bev,

You may well be right. I'm not aware of an example of it happening but as the system has been around for over 30 years it is entirely possible that it has happened.

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« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2005, 12:44:51 »
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I won't say it with any authority, but I believe they don't mess around with red diesel as much as DERV.

My understanding is that they all come from the same tank but are then doped / treated depending on the customer.  So the Diesel from a Tesco forecourt has a different set of chemicals in it than (for example) the BP 'Super-Diesel' stuff.


You should see the level of kerosene in a tank of Total!

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« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2005, 12:48:35 »
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i recall someone who drove from where i grew up to leicester to pick up a muck spreader.....



I imagine this took a while :lol:

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