what do i do

[robert francis]

hi a friend of a friend over heard some kids/blokes talking about knicking a orange 4x4 so he told my friend who into 4x4's aswell
then thought POO thats rob so he told me
i no its me as im the only 1 in the village witha ornage disco.
the bloke doesnt know who they are,
any ideas so far i got 2 x steering locks,disconected battery, and let a tyre down, all which will take a few second to sort out before i use it, lucky its a toy so dont use often

any more ideas would be good,
ha i got a baesball bat near my front door aswell

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

For a start, I'd get your mate to do an anonymous call to crimestoppers with the details of the scrotes if possible.
Then I'd get hold of some heavy chain, and lock it to something visible on the disco and another heavy object.
Remove the battery, kill switches are good options.

There are other methods that I know of, but I sure as heck ain't going to post them on here :twisted:

[wizard]

Buy a gun sit & wait, then go American History X


wizard

[TDi90]

Buy a gun sit & wait, then go American History X


wizard

good one  :roll:

because guns sort out all these problems...  [-X

[Disco Matt]

If it's petrol, take the HT leads out and maybe the rotor arm. For a diesel, you can make a very effective and almost impossible to find immobiliser by putting a removable link in the low tension feed to the starter solenoid. If you arrange it carefully it will just look like a spare connector on the wiring loom to anyone other than you.

If you have a newer car with better security, park that in front to block yours in. Don't leave keys lying around in the house - either keep them with you or get a concealed safe.

A driveway that is a swine to get into helps. I heard about someone who had their Disco pinched by means of a Hiab crane, if you arrange matters so that a truck can't get anywhere near where you park then you should be safe from that.

I would suggest CCTV but consumer ones never seem to have a high enough resolution to positively identify suspects. If you have a decent digital camera then keep it handy - if you see or hear anyone sniffing about then get plenty of good photos (the flash is likely to scare them off) and pass to Police. You may well find that their reaction is "We're aware of those individuals"!

[karlo]

What about something like this?

http://www.euroworld-international.com/new-5000w-sensor-security-light--wireless-chime-1312-p.asp

You could use a camera if it was close enough with good lighting you would get a reasonable image.

[Drift]

Take your steering wheel off and stick nails up under the seat covers BUT dont forget about them  :doh:

Drive into your driveway dont reverse, fit a reverse bleeper bulb, leave an important but vital engine/gearbox part next to the car ( an old scrap bit) they will think its under repair and not drivable.

Oh and delete this thread as if you have mudclub splats they could log on and read this..... just thjought of that  :doh:

[dxmedia]

Make sure you insurance policy is upto date, all modifications are delaired and you've not put it down as being garaged if it's on the driveway / road.

Also tell the police. It's only a tip off and it might be a mate winding you up, but they might also be looking for a gang who are stealing to order and a honey pot is all they need.

It they want to steal your car there is nothing you can do to stop them. What you can do is damage limitation.

[freeagent]

do you have a driveway? if so i'd put it as far back as you can and get a security post to go in front of it.
This is a nice bright yellow deterant, and coupled with a steering wheel lock and alarm should put most people off. ;)

Its a lot more difficult if you cant get it off the road.

Only other option is DIY tracker using an old mobile phone, and web-based tracking service (trace-a-moble?) that way you can find out where it is yourself and go find it with a group of mates/big dogs/ big sticks and get it back if it does go for a walk...


Don't expect the police to be of much help... they were useless when i lost 15 grands worth of TD5 110... which was nicked by Pikeys, and as we know, the Police don't bother with Pikeys...

[hairyasswelder]

Buy a gun sit & wait, then go American History X


wizard

good one  :roll:

because guns sort out all these problems...  [-X

would you pinch it when someone is pointing a gun at you  :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dxmedia]

Buy a gun sit & wait, then go American History X


wizard

good one  :roll:

because guns sort out all these problems...  [-X

would you pinch it when someone is pointing a gun at you  :lol: :lol: :lol:

No but if anyone ever pointed a gun at me there would be bigger issues than a car.

[kizz81]

all of a sudden decide the timing belt needs changing, and take it apart

[robert francis]

thanks for some good ideas, for now il disconect a few things, im trying to get a cheap cctv camera that records.

i realy hope they dont come back but if they do i realy hope i catch them, i havnt had to give someone a good hiding for long long  time now, but it will be a pleasure for these scum bags

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

thanks for some good ideas, for now il disconect a few things, im trying to get a cheap cctv camera that records.

i realy hope they dont come back but if they do i realy hope i catch them, i havnt had to give someone a good hiding for long long  time now, but it will be a pleasure for these scum bags

Is it worth getting a spell inside over?

The post about nails under the seat cover. An interesting idea that does work. I know of a guy who got a GBH with intent conviction for doing just that

[Drift]

Yes and its so wrong being prosecuted by the system when you are just trying to protect your own property.

I looked out of my window in my old house once and saw a guy on my car roof having ago at the airel, I flew out and lets say he dented my bonnet with his head.
About two hours later Mr plod was at my door, took me to the police station, very nice plodmen they where and actually agreed with my actions but a complaint had been made and needed investigating.
I agreed and sat in an open cell for a while, then after a chat with a friendly police man over a couple of cans of coke he bought me  :shock: I told the other policeman that I wanted to press charges for criminal damage, funny the other guy dropped charges, and I got a lift home.
Three hours of my life I wont get back though  :roll:

Pressed submit before finishing  :oops:

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

The Law and Using Force against Someone Committing Crime
 
The law on the use of force against someone committing a crime is very similar to that on the use of force in self-defence. However, unlike the law on self-defence, it has been set out in statute. The Criminal Law Act 1967 states that an individual is entitled to use reasonable force to prevent a crime being committed.



Reasonable Force
The amount of force that will be justified will depend on the circumstances in which it is used. However, in principle almost any level of force may be justified if an individual honestly believed it was necessary to prevent a crime taking place. In deciding whether the amount of force used was reasonable a number of factors will be taken into account, including:
The seriousness of the crime that an individual was acting to prevent – For example, it is unlikely that any force would be reasonable to prevent a thirteen year old schoolboy stealing a chocolate bar;
Whether the crime could have been prevented in some other way – perhaps by alerting the police;
The strength of the individual using force relative to the person committing the crime – If a karate black-belt or a body-builder who works as a bouncer uses force against a weaker person there is a high risk that it will be excessive.



Mistaken Beliefs
When force is used, the individual does not have to have been right in his belief that he was acting to prevent a crime to use this as a defence. The belief does not even have to be objectively reasonable – other people may have thought it was ridiculous. However, the belief must have been honestly held when the force was used.


In a case which came to court in 1987 a man was put on trial for assault. He had beaten up a person who he believed was in the process of attacking or kidnapping someone else. It later turned out that what the man had actually seen was a policeman arresting an offender. The court was satisfied that the man honestly believed he was acting to prevent a crime being committed. Therefore he successfully used this as a defence.


However, people who get the wrong end of the stick will not always have this defence available. If a person only believed they were acting to prevent a crime because they were drunk or under the influence of drugs they will not be able to use this as a defence. In addition, the more unreasonable a belief seems, the less likely a jury or court will be to accept that the individual honestly believed it.



The Use of Force to Protect Property
When an individual takes action to prevent someone damaging or stealing his property, or the property of another person, he is entitled to use force. The amount of force that can be justified to protect property may well be lower than what can reasonably be used to protect human life. If this defence is raised two questions will have to be considered:
Whether the force was used to protect property from an attack - or the threat of an attack - which would amount to a criminal or unlawful act;
Whether, given the circumstances as the individual saw them, it would be objectively reasonable to use force in those circumstances.



The Approach of the Crown Prosecution Service(CPS)
The CPS is reluctant to prosecute people who instinctively, and with good intentions, intervene to prevent a crime being committed. When deciding whether a prosecution should be brought, the CPS is likely to consider very carefully all the circumstances of an individual case before making a final decision. Generally speaking it is not considered to be in the public interest to prosecute people who have acted to prevent crime, or to protect themselves or other people. The factors that will be taken into account include:
Any injuries sustained;
The seriousness of the crime that was being prevented;
If the force was excessive, how excessive it was - If the force was only slightly above what would be considered reasonable a prosecution is less likely to follow;
How the force was inflicted – For example, if an individual used his fists to prevent a crime he is less likely to be prosecuted than if he produced a sawn-off shot gun from under his coat;
Whether the individual was genuinely acting on the spur of the moment or whether he was acting as a vigilante or for revenge.
The CPS will always try to strike a balance between encouraging people to be responsible citizens and discouraging people from taking the law into their own hands.

[topless matt]

Put a great big alsation in the car at night, that will do the job  :twisted:

[Drift]

Digested and noted  LSP  ;)

But what I posted was most likely a poor example in this case.
 I feel preventative actions like spikes on a fence or razor wire injuring a criminal should not cause the owner to be prosecuted, though I fully understand those South African flame thrower cars are a bit extreme and the electricaly charged cars that kill folk trying to rob them. :shock:

 

[Panda]

Buy a gun sit & wait, then go American History X


wizard

good one  :roll:

because guns sort out all these problems...  [-X

Guns dont kill people.....robbers do.




 :twisted:

[Lord Shagg-Pyle]

The occupiers liabilty act is [!Expletive Deleted!].
However if you put a sign up saying 'Beware razor wire', in theory you have complied with the act.

[dxmedia]

Buy a gun sit & wait, then go American History X


wizard

good one  :roll:

because guns sort out all these problems...  [-X

Guns dont kill people.....robbers do.




 :twisted:

thought that was wappers ;)

[Panda]

 :doh: :doh: :doh:

 :-$ :-$ no one will notice  :oops:

[Drift]

The occupiers liabilty act is [!Expletive Deleted!].
However if you put a sign up saying 'Beware razor wire', in theory you have complied with the act.

[!Expletive Deleted!], that defeats the spikes in the seat theory then " Beware Spikes in Drivers Seat " sticker on the window  :doh: :lol:

[aaron]

Get a big dog!

[bravo669]

ive got a sticker in my trucks window that says " WARNING: PROTECTED BY A GUY WITH A GUN"!

[Range Rover Blues]

If you leave a dog in the car you get a dead dog and no car.

Leave the dog in the hallway, he'll tell you if someone is outside,mine knows when the postie is 3 doors away even when all is not still and quiet outside.

Park the car on gravel, deep gravel.. you can't walk on it silently let alone jack it up safely.

Par it on the drive with the wheel turned and the steeirng locked.

Drop the downpipe off the exhaust for a few weeks.

Fit a mahoosive wheelclamp to the back axle, the Nemesis is a good one but it costs £100.

Alarm it, naturally.

fit a second, cheapo alarm as a backup.

Get your alloys stamped with your reg. number

If you can find the starter relay, replace it with a fused relay, then you can just pull the fuse out and presto, imobilised.

Fit a flasher realy to t h fuel system so the engine runs, stalls, runs, stalls.

[discosteveo]

just write on a scrap of card with a few oily finger prints "do not move engine oil drained"
and put it on the dash as long as the thick T**T can read he won't bother

best one i have heard of,

or get a removable battery clamp and keep the head unit and clock etc powered with a low amp fuse and a small curcit so if the truck is tryed to start the fuse blowes putting all the dash lights out hopefully at that point he will go and nick your neighbours car instead.
 

[Saffy]

Paint the landrover different colour because they are looking for an orange one afterall. Also you need to move house, change your job and social habits as they probably been following you for weeks and know your movements of where you shop, work,  eat and play.

.....or just try and forgot all this crap as it will do your head in and could make you ill. If it' ever going to happen deal with it as and when in whatever manner you know in your heart is right.

As for the posts about nails, torture, baseball bats etc It is normal and healthy to fantasize about those actions on bad people whom impose into our life but putting those thoughts into writing and portraying it as a reality will either raise eyebrows or spur others to post the same sort of bullshine they have also thought up. Just point out it is only pure fantasy and all is mostly cool **. At the moment mine is to catch the badman and weld him inside an oil drum with the fill cap open, chuck the drum into the muddy banks of the river Usk at Newport, let him spend his last hours screaming at the rising tide thru a 2 inch hole :twisted: In reality, I'd be upset about any crime suffered and call the police as I know that is the right action.

**EXCEPT when it comes to certified shotgun owners, if you post you would use your shotgun (or rifle etc) as a weapon against someone else (even as a fantasy) then that is my bugbear. I believe that is good ground to have that privilege revoked and your guns removed. I think your firearms officer that issued your ticket should be notified of such posts and request/demand they have the duty to follow it up.
 I am pretty sure I could give all the right answers to make an officer happy and meet the criteria to get my shotty ticket but yet I am not a gun owner because I *KNOW* in truth I would probably use it in such a situation so with that said I do not think others whom suggest they have that slightest intention should have a gun either.

[Disco Matt]

or get a removable battery clamp and keep the head unit and clock etc powered with a low amp fuse and a small curcit so if the truck is tryed to start the fuse blowes putting all the dash lights out hopefully at that point he will go and nick your neighbours car instead.
 

You can buy a special gadget to do just that - I had one on my old Citroen. It fits between the battery lead and the battery, and to immobilise it you remove a large bolt.

The best anti-theft measure is one that makes a lot of noise and attracts attention. Flashing lights and air horns are good. The little  :-# involved will not hang around with house lights coming on and curtains being opened to see what the noise is!

[Bishops Finger]

If this country had a culture where scum didnt think theft was a right to a living...