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« on: April 04, 2005, 21:27:01 »
Does anybody know what the rules and regs, are for "timed events" encompassing public roads??

I assume that been greenlanes of anysort does not make any difference?
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2005, 21:30:34 »
What rules and regs do you need ?

Insurance will be the biggest issue...  most people's insurance isn't valid for a competitive or timed event.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2005, 21:35:53 »
Not really worth a lot of work, just ideal mussing really, but wondered what is legal, and isn't.

Obviously Drag Racing along Scarborough Sea Front is definitely illegal. (Not that I ever did you understand)

But what about Map Reading, or Three Challengers on different sites bit like a rally with time between stages.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2005, 21:46:59 »
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Obviously Drag Racing along Scarborough Sea Front is definitely illegal. (Not that I ever did you understand)



They never caught you then? :lol:
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2005, 23:56:34 »
Id look on the ARC website or MSA website.  Drop them a line always helpful  :D

Either that or dont get caught, always worked for me  :twisted:
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2005, 00:01:41 »
As my english teacher alway said "read the question before answering..."

Wise words....

Most times events are governed by the ARC (association of rover clubs or the MSA (Motor sports assocation) and they can apply for an excemption to the road traffic act.  This will allow you to drive at unlimted speed whilst still within the law.  

If an event crossed a green lane, public road etc etc with no MSA signs etc I would be concerned.  However I think most people would not take that risk at an event whe running it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2005, 00:03:00 »
well i did,its not big & its not clever,well my mate did say it was gonna be hard goin racing the gti golf in my fiesta,& i did comment that i thought it was strange that the vectra pulled out the queue of cars to pull up behind me
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2005, 00:06:25 »
Oh dear....  :cry:

Those vectras do creep up on you dont they  :shock:
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2005, 00:20:11 »
90-V8's (even standard) can certainly surprise quite a few boy-racers at the lights :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
So can 110Tdi's :lol:  :lol:

For sheer devilment though, the 110Tdi towing a Rice horse-box whilst showing 'L' plates scared the cr*p out of Wakefield bus (& taxi) drivers one day.
(I know it wasn't legal, but it was an experiment in fear! :lol: , well causing it)
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2005, 00:26:06 »
Living in the heart of london every tosser wants to cut you up.  You drive a 4x4 so it must be slow.....

.....then they find youve got a V8  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Best feeling in the world!!!!!!! :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2005, 10:50:47 »
Quote from: "landyman1978"

Most times events are governed by the ARC (association of rover clubs or the MSA (Motor sports assocation) and they can apply for an excemption to the road traffic act.  This will allow you to drive at unlimted speed whilst still within the law.  


This is quite a complicated area, most, though not all motorsport events in the UK are governed by the MSA.  The ARC is itself affiliated to the MSA.

In order to organise a timed event on the public road (including green lanes) you must be an affiliated club and apply for a permit.  You may also be required, depending on the type of event to speak to the local route liason officer and give a copy of the route to the police.  You will almost definitely need to visit every household on the route to let them know the details of the event.

All the information is in the MSA's Blue Book.

I think it is worth clarifying that one thing that an MSA event permit doesn't do is "allow you to drive at unlimted speed whilst still within the law" when on the public road.  The use of public roads is strictly limited and you must obey all the usual rules of the road.  The timed sections must be timed to an average of no-more than 30mph, unless motorway is involved whereupon it can rise to 50mph.

There are a few qualified exemptions to all of the above.  You can without a permit - if you are not an MSA club run a road event with less than 12-Cars (also known as a 12-car rally if run with an MSA exemption of permit), but the issue of insurance is difficult.  Much easier to do it as part of an MSA club.

I'll try and answer any questions that you have.  I have organised a number of road events in my time...

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2005, 17:20:30 »
Thanks Henry, very interesting, as I say just idle musing at the moment, but if I came up with anything not doubt I'll be back with more questions.

Once again thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2005, 17:40:07 »
I think there is some mileage in the sort of way that you are thinking.

I did my first Hillrally after competing on ScottishLROC's Exercise Mudmaster event which was a sort of multi-site orienteering exercise, culminating in a trial the next day.

The Macmillan runs to a similar format (I believe) and Southern Counties Off Road Club's Ebble Valley Trail is essentially and off road - road rally!

I have thought for a while that it would be good to have a sort of road-based event that could introduce people into hillrallying with their 'normal' road motors! :D   The equivalent of the job that road rallying does for stage rallies.

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2005, 18:06:08 »
Quote from: "Henry Webster"
The Macmillan runs to a similar format (I believe) and Southern Counties Off Road Club's Ebble Valley Trail is essentially and off road - road rally



MacMillan does run a similar format... special stages joined with road orienteering.  For info, it runs with MSA insurance... all non-licence holding entrants had to sign on an pay a premium.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2005, 19:55:04 »
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90-V8's (even standard) can certainly surprise quite a few boy-racers at the lights


i so agree with that after the tosser at the forth bridge tried to race me & i smoked him in the racer loaded with diffs n spares,had the wheels spinning & it sitting on the back bumpstops all the way to 6k in 2nd  8)  8)
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2005, 21:10:47 »
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I think there is some mileage in the sort of way that you are thinking.

I did my first Hillrally after competing on ScottishLROC's Exercise Mudmaster event which was a sort of multi-site orienteering exercise, culminating in a trial the next day.

The Macmillan runs to a similar format (I believe) and Southern Counties Off Road Club's Ebble Valley Trail is essentially and off road - road rally!

I have thought for a while that it would be good to have a sort of road-based event that could introduce people into hillrallying with their 'normal' road motors! :D   The equivalent of the job that road rallying does for stage rallies.

Regards

H

quote chuffed to say that i nearly won the mudmaster this year & finished 3rd due to a recount,will put a wee bit up in the events write up when i get some pics
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2005, 21:51:52 »
Look forward to hearing all about it Mike.

I have only won as a navigator to George McLay - nearly won the trial though in his motor! :oops:
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