Scrap metal values creeping up again

[V8MoneyPit]

Just dropped off a load of aluminium swarf and it's up to £350/tonne. Only a few months ago it was right down to £150/tonne but has been steadily rising since.

[muddyjames]

maybe it is time to take in my few bits of metal inc a couple of car / caravan batteries and a car cat converter. Any money in what I have just mentioned?

Also where does "one" find thier nearest place to take it to?

[burgerman]

 We have just replaced the bathroom and have a old cast/enamel bath,is it worth me weighing it in or just tipping away ??  Dunno what weight it is though off hand  :D

[muddyjames]

We have just replaced the bathroom and have a old cast/enamel bath,is it worth me weighing it in or just tipping away ??  Dunno what weight it is though off hand  :D

I will never forget when my Dad removed one out of our house decades ago. He couldnt get it down the stairs so hit it with a sledge hammer. I will never forget the way it sounded like a church bell and he was just vibrating and the bath was stil in 1 piece. So funny. :lol:

[ben-dent]

maybe it is time to take in my few bits of metal inc a couple of car / caravan batteries and a car cat converter. Any money in what I have just mentioned?

Also where does "one" find thier nearest place to take it to?

james your local is probably Daventry but not sure,

cats give a bit of money, but you are not allowed to transport batteries unless you carry signs and have a licence, a friend got done the other month, after taking all his car batteries down the weigh in and had a £2000 fine for that, he got stopped by VOSA to have his tank dipped for red derv, then VOSA told him they had to check his load, lucky he didnt have his brothers Van as thats run on red (used off road and registered as limited road use)

[dxmedia]

Look around, was £400 a tonne up here about 3 months ago.  Copper is about 4K at the moment isn't it?

[carbore]

Can someone check the above, Im sure it applies to commercial e.g Garrages or commercial waste desposers/scrappers, but im not sure it applies to private waste.

For example, say I change the battery in my car, can I never take it to be disposed of properly?

I know that waste laws are a bit wierd, e.g. my builder cant take stuff from my hose to the tip, but I can......

I took 50litres of engine oil to the recycling center today (form my vintage tractor gearbox/last years sevicing the elise etc), but I certain that my local garage cant!

PS Iv got 10 radiators and loads of copper from haning my house rebuilt, thats off to be weiged in soon!

[hairyasswelder]

Look around, was £400 a tonne up here about 3 months ago.  Copper is about 4K at the moment isn't it?

PLEASE put your location...... its around half that round here  :lol: :lol: :lol:

£1k a tonne for stainless this week if that helps at all  ;)

£140 a tonne for light basic two weeks ago (any old tat steel)

Steve

[robkav]

JAMES YOUR LOCAL YARD IS SMITHS OF BLOXHAM AND CLEAN COPPER WAS £3100 LAST FRIDAY IN COVENTRY
 Still saving mine up as it will dip around xmas time as every wheighs in before the hoildays should be mad money in jan  [-o<

[Sider]

Can someone check the above, Im sure it applies to commercial e.g Garrages or commercial waste desposers/scrappers, but im not sure it applies to private waste.

For example, say I change the battery in my car, can I never take it to be disposed of properly?

I know that waste laws are a bit wierd, e.g. my builder cant take stuff from my hose to the tip, but I can......

I took 50litres of engine oil to the recycling center today (form my vintage tractor gearbox/last years sevicing the elise etc), but I certain that my local garage cant!

PS Iv got 10 radiators and loads of copper from haning my house rebuilt, thats off to be weiged in soon!

Right, point by point:

Transporting batteries as a member of the public is fine (within reason). In a commercial vehicle(even when used privately), it's a no-no without ADR. There's no limited quantities exemption, one battery is one too many.

Your builder cannot take stuff to the tip because his waste is classed as commercial. If you take it, it's classed as domestic, and that's the whole point of the tidy tips. Your builder is making a financial gain out of generating that waste, therefore, in the eyes of most Local Authorities, they should pay for their disposal. Don't forget that most of the building waste is subject to Landfill tax. Ditto with the oil, although in this case, more often than not you can get money for it.

It is all down to who should pay for waste disposal. As a private individual, your waste disposal is covered by your council tax. Waste disposal is not included in the bussiness rates.

[muddyjames]

Right, point by point:

Transporting batteries as a member of the public is fine (within reason). In a commercial vehicle(even when used privately), it's a no-no without ADR. There's no limited quantities exemption, one battery is one too many.

I have a ford ranger which is classed as a commercial vehicle but I solely have it for private use. It is my everyday car and insured as such.

SO unless I have my wires crossed, I cant go and buy a new battery for it unless I have an ADR? And what about towing my caravan? That has a mahoosive battery in it.  :-k

[Sider]

Is it classed as commercial? I.E. do you pay commercial Excise Duty and have commercial insurance? If not, then it is not classed as commercial. However..... Most councils will consider it as commercial, and will not let you use the tidy tip without a license. Said license tends to be free, but restricted.

Some councils will not budge, though, and you will not (or should not) be allowed on site with a pickup truck.

And as for buying, we are talking usage, not transport. It's the same conumdrum as those artics with 2 800l tanks on them. Under ADR regs, more than 1000l of diesel require orange plates, ADR qualified driver and all the shenanigangs, yet I am yet to see one using the orange plates unless carrying other hazardous substances. Ditto for your caravan, I assume the battery is part of the design, ergo no special  conditions. And, unless you are very (and I mean VERY) careless, I can't see any of those batteries classed as waste :D:D:D

[muddyjames]

Is it classed as commercial? I.E. do you pay commercial Excise Duty and have commercial insurance? If not, then it is not classed as commercial. However..... Most councils will consider it as commercial, and will not let you use the tidy tip without a license. Said license tends to be free, but restricted.

Some councils will not budge, though, and you will not (or should not) be allowed on site with a pickup truck.

Yup, commercial insurance and tax but it isnt a commercial vehicle with an mot test randomly! Seemy other thread for that. I have a truckman back on which makes it look less like a pickup to the dont care much about car people out there in the world!

And as for buying, we are talking usage, not transport. It's the same conumdrum as those artics with 2 800l tanks on them. Under ADR regs, more than 1000l of diesel require orange plates, ADR qualified driver and all the shenanigangs, yet I am yet to see one using the orange plates unless carrying other hazardous substances. Ditto for your caravan, I assume the battery is part of the design, ergo no special  conditions. And, unless you are very (and I mean VERY) careless, I can't see any of those batteries classed as waste :D:D:D

Cool. :-)

[stretchy]

quick qestion... I have an ADR what sighns do I have to display to dispose some baterys??

[robkav]

I've got a waste carrier's licence and pay silly money to tip :x

[Sider]

quick qestion... I have an ADR what sighns do I have to display to dispose some baterys??

If you are doing it commercially, you need a waste carrier licence, waste transfer notes, and plain orange plates (unless you are over the scope where you need marked plates). You'll also need an ADR kit and COSSH sheets.

If you are doing it as domestic waste, just carry them to the tidy tip (but don't go and carry 200 at a time, get pulled over and then blame me for giving you the advice) :D:D:D

[Mutz]

Your builder probably doesnt have a licence to carry waste.

stupid really because he doesnt need a licence to carry new materials!!!!!!

[Lumbering Jack]

Well it's crap round us at the mo - my usually good place to take it goave £90 a tonne for ordinary plain old scrap on Friday - still better than nowt though  :oops: