Has anyone used these guys n their rear recovery point?

[john656]

As per title... http://tarantula4x4.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=17

Figured it would look quite good and keep it looking fairly standard


John

[Disco-Ron]

Why not just use a towball..... and put a big shackle around under the ball if you need a shackle...??

[karlo]

As per title... http://tarantula4x4.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=17

Figured it would look quite good and keep it looking fairly standard


John

Have a look here before deciding

http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,76379.0.html

[Range Rover Blues]

I think I could bend that for ya!

O certainly wouldn't be doing a kinetic recovery with one.  It might be tested (does it say they are tested?) but it just looks too thin.  For my money I'd buy a cheap 25mm pin hitch before I fitted one of those.  Or say hang the expense and fit a Pinball Wizard :)

[john656]

yea im just finding ideas for rear recovery as my first pay n play is at the end of feb and i figure i will be getting stuck and would be a worth while investment anyhow.

[Disco-Ron]

If you want a simple solution................ fit a pair of jate rings................ job done......... when the club i;'m in run events, one thing we check is the robustness of recovery points............ the one in the link wouldn;t get my vote....... the forces exerted during recovery can be huge....... that isn't up to the job in my opinion..!!!

[disco2 td5]

that does not look heavy enough to use for recovery

[sMUDge]

I'm with Disco Ron,  JATE rings, reasonably cheap & really effective  :)

Some people attach a strop to both & hang it from the rear, for when needed. 

This saves getting too muddy yourself, if the mud/water at the rear is deep and you can't reach the rings themselves to attach a rope  :D

[john656]

Ready for a really dumb question now but something ive never understood :oops: :oops:. Is that one strop between between both jate rings and pull both strop eyes to a point on the rear, or, attach the strop to one jate ring and just hooked through the other?

[ChrisW70]

John - the idea is to fit a shortish strap, one end to one jate the other to the other jate ring then with another shackle at the middle of the short strap attach the strap that will be connected to the vehicle doing the recovering.
The theory is that the load on the strap will be shared between the two points its connected so you don't get a single point load on the recovery point.

[disco2 td5]

dont!!!!!!!!!!!!! put a shakel on the short ish strap  if the short ish strap snaps its then becomes a flying shakel not safe and if it hits you it could kill you if it hits the car it will dammage it
how i do it is i put the the short strap through the eye on the long strap the connect it to the car only ataching the short strap so that it forms a Y
ive seen loads of people join 2 straps with a shakel and if they snap be miles away

[Panda]

Completely of topic now but i thinks its worth a post.. https://www.tektrek.com.au/images/4WD%20RECOVERY_How%20to%20join%20recovery%20straps.pdf

As for that recovery point...well it wont get my money

[cooper956]

the one in the link looks poxy would probly do for st8 line pulls but the sliteist sideways pull and it would bend if fitting to the towball mounting use a pin hitch. would probly be cheaper too

[lambert]

also be aware that a bridle between two jate rings can, if too much force is, used pull the rings together bending the chassis, a friend found this to his cost and now uses two strops of equal length joined to a steel frame to act as a spreader bar, like used when lifting.

[john656]

I did think about buying 2 straps as they arnt much money...

[Disco Matt]

also be aware that a bridle between two jate rings can, if too much force is, used pull the rings together bending the chassis, a friend found this to his cost and now uses two strops of equal length joined to a steel frame to act as a spreader bar, like used when lifting.

I wouldn't have thought about that, but can see it being a risk!

Does this apply if you have a bumper with a couple of swivel recovery eyes built in? I'm about to order an 8t rated shackle to use with a 2m strop as a bridle with mine, but obviously I'd want to rethink if that's not a good idea.

[Chris Putt]

Without wanting to be a bore... the angle at which your bridle forms a Y can be a problem, if its to great a Y (ie. over 90 degrees) then yo actually begin to multiply the loading on each anchor point, so two long strops, at a shallow angle would be a better solution. Tow strops with a spreader bar and a central pulling point will do much the same.

Chris

[dxmedia]

strops with a spreader bar and a central pulling point will do much the same.

Chris

That sounds like a lethal combination.

[Disco Matt]

Surely the longer the bridle the better?

I'm no engineer but it strikes me that a longer bridle (putting the shackle that the big tow strap is attached to further away from the car) will mean that there's less force trying to pull the two recovery points together? Same as if you had a straight strap between the two with no slack it would place a lot of lateral stress on the two recovery points, but making it a sharper angle will mean that more of the stress is exerted longitudinally.

[dxmedia]

Yes.

I've all the calculations in a book upstairs, but yes, the longer the better. I think that over 30 degrees is needed off the top of my head :S

[Range Rover Blues]

Yeap, the longer the better, within reason. 

Also, whils tI agree with not putting a shackle in between 2 strops, people do it so that the shackle can slide along the bridle and even out the load.  If all strops are the same it shouldn't be the bridle that fails first.  Shouldn't be!

[Disco Matt]

This is good. I've been hunting around for a towing bridle for ages and it turns out all I need is a big shackle that won't crush my spare tow strap!

I've seen some 8t rated ones which seem to be the biggest you can buy, will order one in a few days.

[dxmedia]

IMO don't put anything metal in the links between the strops. If you want a slide on the bridge just pass the bridle through the loop in the end of the strop which is being attached to it.

A non static line snaps (steel winch, strop, kinetic...) and there's a shackle in there, then that's a 1/2 kilo of metal traveling at exceptionally high speed.

A strop whips you around the head and my god it would hurt. A shackle does it and it would kill you.  For the sake of a bit of thinking, there's no need to have anything metal which isn't attached to something solid such as a proper rated (not looping over the top of a tow bar) recovery point. For all joints between recovery strops, all that's needed is a stick or glove to stop the 2 strops jamming.

Winching obviously is different, and we all know about being twice as far as the length of the winch line away and always have the bonnet up... (unless plasma is being used)  :roll:

[Disco Matt]

Fair enough then, this is good as it's cheaper (doesn't require any more kit  :lol: )!