D2 auto slow change

[martyn]

Iv just bought a D2 auto it seems a bit slow to change from 1st to 2nd especially on very cold days until it has warmed up is this normal i was wondering if the gearbox has a filter and if so where is it.

 its got  FSH from Hartwells would it have been changed as part of the servicing, also it is very difficult to get it into low box it takes a lot of fiddling and when it does go it does so with a loud clunk i did wonder weather i has been used in low box at all so i have tried engaging L box a couple of times in the last few days hoping to free it up but its no better, wehre abouts are the top up screws for both gear box and transfere how do i know when its at the correct lever.
this my first diesel/auto and so far its been ok wife is impressed but i would like it to go a bit quicker where abouts is the EGR and how diificult is it blank will this make an improvement oh its done 93000.
I intend taking the vehicle back and want some answers as i dont want to be fobbed of by the garage,
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ps the sat nav is rubbish

any help great fully recieved

[disco2 td5]

i find mine is a bit slow on changes till the box warms up takes about a mile
egr blanking stops exaust gases goin back in well worth blanking off no real power to be had they run a little smoother

easest thing to do to make it faster is chip it
136 bhp is not enough to move 2.5 tons of disco
were as with a chip  160 bhp is easy to get and about enough to move the disco
200 bhp is also easy  get a turbo box and turning the boost up will acheave that as well as said chip and is more than enough to move a disco
does use more fuel but home many diesel autos can spin all 4 wheels on a dry road

[disco2 td5]

sorry its got a filter its inside the gear box undo the 6 bolts holding the sump remover that and the fliter is held in place with 2 or 3 silly star screews

i myself find this site a good one www.discovery2.co.uk very help full he has put pics and all sorts on that he has done to his own disco2

[martyn]

Thanks for that when it goes back i at least want to let them know what im talking about

i cant imagine that the g/box filter has beeen changed if you need to drop the sump to change filter

[disco2 td5]

if i remeber rightly its done as part of either a 24 or 36 thousand mile service were the box oil and filter are changed but its never changed again

[martyn]

i think it needs changing then as its done 93000 miles if they wont do it at garage ill do it.

 i have got it into low box but only twice after a lot of pulling and faffing about but it has decided now not to go at all any ideas.

  ive just noticed oil at the bottom of g/box at the edge of bell housing could the crankshaft oil seal have gone worst after a long drive my garage floor never had oil on it when i had bmw i tell a lie when s111 had a prob it did leak but that was 30 yr old but i thought with new ideas even L/R had sorted out leaks and seals how wrong am i

[disco2 td5]

its prob due a olil change
 have you tryed goin in to low box with the car rolling no more than 2-3 mph but dont move high low till main box is in nutral
as for your oil leak is it black dirty oil or is it red oil  black oil ening oil red stuff gearbox oil

[martyn]

low /high box working now sweet as a nut. but still losing black oil so it looks by what your saying its engine i dont want to say it but crankshaft oil seal oooohhh

[disco2 td5]

Mine is leakin from the crankshaft oil seal it's one of them to do it it wil cost a fortune so prob do as I'm doin which is live with it stupid really as it's a modern car but it's a landrover they all leak oil mine leaks engine oil ace oil n trainsfer box oil but only a little of each not enough to make a mess of my drive

[martyn]

 GOOD news i eventually got the garage to look at it they took the plastic cover of top of the engine and the rocker cover gasket had gone quick replacement and of we go they did tell me that they thought crankshaft oil seal was the culprit when i phoned them.

i have sticker by the h/l box gear saying diff lock with four wheels at different angles its an 2003 car would it have diff lock fitted it does have hil decent control fitted how can i tell?  
 
will chipping the car improve economy as well as performance if so what is the best chip and is it worth removing the ERG whatever that is. Got cut up on a round about today and what with the turbo lag i wished i had my old v8 but not at the pumps anyway need to give it a bit of a boost
ps about what price do these chips go for

[disco2 td5]

you can tell with the egr it makes the run a little smother but does not give extra power
plug in box about 160 off ebay not very good
chipin your lookin about 400 quid ish to get ur ecu flashed buy td5alive this is the best way to tune
mines runing td5 alive chipin
 huge td5alive intercooler
turbo bost box with boost up to 22psi (standard 15psi)
devon 4x4 egr removal kit
stright through center box replacement pipe
devon 4x4 side exit exaust
all that lot has given mine 220 bhp and loads of toque
now mgp well its not good to start with mine were doin 18 mpg round town  26 mpg motoway
with it tuned if i dont realy use the power  22 mpg town  and 29 motoway
towing the big box trailer with loads in it 13 mpg standard   18 tuned
if you use the power its no worse than befor i tuned it
but ive spent 1400 quid on tuning it alot is how far do you want to go

yours will have the difflock fitted the lever should move left to right for the difflock
and forwards and back for the high low

[martyn]

THANKS  for that i think ill start with the chipping i made a centre exhaust for my sons subaru cat replacement so ill do mine as well. i do have a large intercooler dimension to be confrimed as its stuck up my garage attic at mo, is the size relevant  or the bigger the beter?
the difflock wont go left or right only high/low with the probs ive had i dont know weather to take it  to a landy garage to confrim

[disco2 td5]

Yours is a 2003 it will have the cat as well in the front down pipe that robs power my intercooler is about 3 times bigger than standard the idea is the bigger it is the cooler the air so more power
I only started off with mine standard and I found the flat spot made it awful and undriveable I nearly sold it and bought a v8 and I thought it's worth a chance to chip it so I did n I kept it and the gf got a v8 disco 2 and that were it she could not have a car more powerfull than mine lol
difflock may be rusted up on the lever does it have high low and difflock on it or not

[martyn]

the high/low lever has just got HNL on it no mention of diff lock just the sticker saying diflock i read somwhere that the very early D2 had it fitted also the later ones cos people where asking for it instead of hill decent.

 its still under warranty so i want to make sure everthing is working as advertised as i dont want to be selling it in year or two and find out of someone who knows more than me that the diff lock should be worrking and is now seized and wont give me  cars proper worth

[disco2 td5]

it does not have diff lock you can check for certain if you go under it and were the front prop shaft comes out the transfer box if you feel above that about 3 inch back there will be like a bolt sticking up with 2 flats on it
if you can feel that the difflock is in the box but thees no lever to activate it
if you can feel theres a arm style thing on it then it is seized up

if I'm right from 98 till 2001 they had the difflock in the box but not connected
2001 till early 2003 no difflock inside the box
2003 till end of product in mid 2004 it were connected

the difflock when locked tho disables abs Tc and hill descent so its not what its cracked up to be i don't think

[mike142sl]

Mine is 2004 and does NOT have diff lock, although it does have the sticker inside to show it etc. However it has TC and Hill Descent which combine to do a better job - I think.

[martyn]

Thanks for all your comments once it stops raining i'll go and have look underneath to confirm on the plus side im getting more used to the cars auto change and on the mountain roads around here im putting it into 3 on the box which seems to be better suited

[mike142sl]

You do know that putting it in 3 only prevents it changing above that (sorry if it's teaching to such eggs but I've come across people who think it puts it in 3 only) Secondly do you have S mode? as that delays the gear change.

[disco2 td5]

i use 3rd on the auto sometimes works wonders with the heavy trailer on the back and steep hills seams alot happyer rather than messing about between 3rd n 4th which i find it does quite abit on 40 -50 mph roads  once you hit 55mph it will lock up in 4th or 3rd if its in either gear
and i low range the mode button on the gear box operates the manual mode so 1st uses only 1st, 2nd uses only 2nd and so on

[martyn]

yes thanks but i did know about the gear only going up from 1st 2nd 3rd but as disco 2 turbo mentions when you are between gears in my case 3/4 the mountain roads are steep and lots of airpin bends its seems to be caught between 3/4

Yes i do have a sport mode which does help but im going to chip it does anyone know of a reputable person to do the job in the south wales area

[mike142sl]

All those in the know seem to say that remaping is the way to go rather than chipping. Not sure of any people who do that in S Wales area unfortunately. Was interested in doing that with mine but could never justify the cost (yet) so would be interested in hearing from you if and when you do it to see what you think of the change.

[martyn]

ignorance is bliss and i am very blissful at the mo as i dont know the difference so can you tell me the difference between remapping and chipping

[mike142sl]

Personally, No I can't but hopefully someone more in the know will be along to explain. I think it has something to do with how the engine management system behaves. They are set up in a generic state so that they work in all countries whether cold and damp like ours or roasting hot in some desert region. The remapping does something to make it work better in our climate. Apparently there is a risk that some chips can overide some settings and damage the ECU but that was all the technicalities I didn't understand.

[disco2 td5]

Remap is were the ecu tune is adjusted to put more fuel in and works with the ecu so if there's a fault it can stop fuel input 
a piggy back chip fool the ecu into puttin more fuel into the engine not really safe as if it devolops a fault no matter what the ecu trys it can't reduce fuel input

[Xtremeteam]

you can tell with the egr it makes the run a little smother but does not give extra power
plug in box about 160 off ebay not very good
chipin your lookin about 400 quid ish to get ur ecu flashed buy td5alive this is the best way to tune
mines runing td5 alive chipin
 huge td5alive intercooler
turbo bost box with boost up to 22psi (standard 15psi)
devon 4x4 egr removal kit
stright through center box replacement pipe
devon 4x4 side exit exaust
all that lot has given mine 220 bhp and loads of toque
now mgp well its not good to start with mine were doin 18 mpg round town  26 mpg motoway
with it tuned if i dont realy use the power  22 mpg town  and 29 motoway
towing the big box trailer with loads in it 13 mpg standard   18 tuned
if you use the power its no worse than befor i tuned it
but ive spent 1400 quid on tuning it alot is how far do you want to go

yours will have the difflock fitted the lever should move left to right for the difflock
and forwards and back for the high low

i very very much doubt your disco has any more than 190 bhp , never mind 220,
Unless you have a dyno chart to prove otherwise

[disco2 td5]

They gave me a print out and it were 217 at the flywheel and turbo givein as much boost as it could I thought they were goin to blow it to bits on the dyno not my idea a fun since then I've turned the boost down a bit as I thought runnin it flat out the engine would not last 10000 miles lol

[extreme90]

im sorry, but thats very optamistic, try speaking to porny on here, he'll tell you exactly the same.
to break the 190-200 mark you need a different turbo.
even then 210 is pretty much the max.
anything more and the engine needs huges mods, basically boring and stroking, then you can get 250+

my td5 is pretty well sorted, and even then ive only got around 164bhp coming out of the gearbox, and thats a proper reading that comes from the gearbox itself as im running compushift.

[disco2 td5]

The dyno looked a old thing I'll admit I thought it were less when they said it cuz a incress of 90 bhp with a bit of fiddlin should not be possable I'd say like you poss about 180 -190
but comparin it to my dads standard disco mine flys
but no matter were I set the turbo I still get black smoke out of it does not really bother me quite funny when a convertable is behind me
are these hybrid turbos anygood??

[extreme90]

they transform td5's and virtually eliminated the flat spot on pretty much every td5 from 1000-1450rpm

[disco2 td5]

With it bein auto it's never really down that low only when I go in low box on pay n play days n on the lanes were power is not really a problem to me