self adhessive number plates

[jimjim11]

hi, i've just put on some tubular bumpers on my disco and was wondering if i get a self adhessive number plate for my bonnet is it road legal? looked at some sites and they seem to say that there for show only, any help please

[Hightower]

Best thing to do is go and speak to your MOT man (that's what I did before fitting mine).  He will be able to give you pointers about positioning etc.  That way, when it comes to test time there won't be any surprises.

[redhand]

Self adhesive plates don't meet the regs at all and are therefore illegal.

[Llanigraham]

^^^ Wot he said^^^
Number plates now have to have the makers name and post code on them, which can then be cross-checked with their register.

[Hightower]

Self adhesive plates don't meet the regs at all and are therefore illegal.

Hmmmmm.  As stated before, I took mine round to the MOT man, we discussed where best to place the plate (front edge of the bonnet, replacing the Land Rover decal) and I haven't had an issue in the past 3 MOT's with it.

If it was illegal surely it wouldn't pass the MOT   :-k

[JumboBeef]

Number plates now have to have the makers name and post code on them, which can then be cross-checked with their register.

Only on post-2001 motors. 

My 1996 Disco has 'blank' (if you know what I mean!) number plates which have been on there for three years now, without any problems.

[auf_wiedersehen_pet]

I think there's also an issue with visibility. Most bonnet mounted plates are partially obscured due to the angle of the bonnet.

[LiftedDisco]

As above, best bet is to speak to your MOT chap...

I have a stick on number to the offside of the winch bumper - last time round he looked at it (probably as it's a bit faded from jetwashing bits of Sibbertoft off it!) and commented that it wasn't legal but that he also knew that I would break a 'proper' plate.

His view was that a stick on plate was a better compromise than a damaged solid plate...

[redhand]

MOT tester manual link

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_630.htm  vertical or as vertical as possible rules out been laid flat on a bonnet.

[dxmedia]

Not the least bit illegal, but it is age dependent as above.   Just think the front end of an e-type jag.

[Jas278]

Had one on the Td5 bonnet for 3yrs without a problem , ..  I say stick it on...

[V8MoneyPit]

Firstly, the legal requirements are different to the MOT requirements. For the purposes of MOT though, this is the key point in possible failure of bonnet mounted plates:

1 d. faded, dirty, deteriorated or obscured, (for example by a towbar so that it is likely to be misread or is not easily legible by a person standing approximately 20 metres to the front/rear of the vehicle)

The example of an E-Type is fine because it is so low. Not sure a Defender or similar would be quite so visible.

At the end of the day, it's only a number plate. Not exactly safety critical. If it's marginal on legality or MOT, you make your own choice on the risk of getting pulled over or failing an MOT.

[ben-dent]

as mentioned above,

the way I read the MOT manual ( i read it on a daily basis as an MOT tester)

for an MOT it must be in an up right position or as near as possible, it could be mounted on the windscreen (below or above the sweep of the wipers) or on the bonnet, (doesnt say it must be mounted at the foremost point of the vehicle ;) ;) )

and as for names on plates, the govt thought up the idea in 2001 where new plates had to have a name and make, then in 2007 VOSA put in the name of maker and BSAU number, for around 8 months for all vehicles from 2001, then they abolished that becuase it was not working  

the police dont like it though, and i had to prove the ruling when i was stopped for having my number plate on the rangie mounted on the light bar (not completly vertical and not at the front of the vehicle,

even offered to take the cop to work and print off the MOT manual for him to read,

[jimjim11]

Thank you all for your replies  :clap:  , I will talk to my mot man , jim 

[Range Rover Blues]

If it was legal when it was fitted, then it's ok, but since 2001 no plates have to meet newer regualtions put in place to ensure that GATSO cameras can read them, and they have to have the name of who made/supplied the plate.

Apparently this stops people making/fitting plates illegaly :lol:  as if criminals are going to obey that rule.

[Mikieb1981]

These are the best i've seen. meet all standards for reflective spacing letter size etc but he still says they are illegal??

Anyhoos thought it might help!

http://www.craigsplates.com/self-adhesive-number-plate

[Llanigraham]

These are the best i've seen. meet all standards for reflective spacing letter size etc but he still says they are illegal??

Anyhoos thought it might help!

http://www.craigsplates.com/self-adhesive-number-plate

Because, as stated above, the plates must have the name and postcode of the maker on them, and the details kept in a register with what docs have been used to prove the legallity of who they were made for. He is unable to do that. Therefore "for show use only".

[kizz81]

i can make you some plates, '' for off-road use only ''

cheers kieran

[redhand]

i can make you some plates, '' for off-road use only ''

cheers kieran

But if he's offroad he won't need a plate????? 

[JumboBeef]

Because, as stated above, the plates must have the name and postcode of the maker on them, and the details kept in a register with what docs have been used to prove the legallity of who they were made for. He is unable to do that. Therefore "for show use only".

Unless the plates are fitted to a pre-2001 motor because who can say if the plates were, or were not, made before or after 2001?

Actually, here's an interesting one: if I was ever to buy a post-2001 motor, I would fit my personal plates to it ~ plates which would/could have been made pre-2001.  So, would this motor need plates with the plate maker's name/postcode on them?

Edit to add: both of my current cars, plus caravan, plus three other cars I have owned and sold in recent years, all have 'pre-2001' number plates on them.  Never had a problem, on the road or at MOT time.

[Llanigraham]

Because, as stated above, the plates must have the name and postcode of the maker on them, and the details kept in a register with what docs have been used to prove the legallity of who they were made for. He is unable to do that. Therefore "for show use only".

Unless the plates are fitted to a pre-2001 motor because who can say if the plates were, or were not, made before or after 2001?

Actually, here's an interesting one: if I was ever to buy a post-2001 motor, I would fit my personal plates to it ~ plates which would/could have been made pre-2001.  So, would this motor need plates with the plate maker's name/postcode on them?

Edit to add: both of my current cars, plus caravan, plus three other cars I have owned and sold in recent years, all have 'pre-2001' number plates on them.  Never had a problem, on the road or at MOT time.

Yes, because they could check when the number was transferred to that vehicle, and if it was after the relevant date then you would need the correct legal plate.

I wonder why so many people are making a fuss about this, as it is sooo petty. If you need a new number plate the rules are quite plain. You have to prove what vehicle the plate is for and provide evidence of who you are, and the plates have to conform to a specified standard.

My local shop has a simple rule for ALL plates........you can't provide me with the right info you don't get a set of plates. End of!!

[dxmedia]

I've had plates made at above board commercial premises abiding by all the laws and not provided any documents at all, you don't need to depending on the circumstances.

The law isn't black and white / yellow at all on number plates.

[kizz81]

i can make you some plates, '' for off-road use only ''

cheers kieran

But if he's offroad he won't need a plate????? 

dont buy one then ...

[Saffy]

i can make you some plates, '' for off-road use only ''

cheers kieran

I had some silver on black vinyl plates made up before and they worked out rather nice too.

[redhand]

Chap on landyzone has just had his motor failed because the letters weren't 79mm tall. Seems they're tightening up on dodgy plates.