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MOT Fail... Help...
« on: July 11, 2012, 18:40:23 »
Just back from 2hr MOT... I think it took that long to write the fail sheet..

A bit confused by one point on it...

"Nearside front suspension has excessive play in a lower suspension ball joint" - Now when I tried to quiz them, they were about as much use as well you know what I mean... All I got out of them I think the swivel might need shims, the guy that knows these things is away... So guys... Any thoughts... as I need to get the parts ordered ASAP...

Just another thing... Do rear standard shocks come with new bushes or do you have to order them separately...

Tah muchly

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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 18:59:04 »
you remove shims from the top to tighten the swivel iirc. dunno about bushes as never bought them doubt it though.
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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 19:13:50 »
Right..... This is what I ordered last time (edit :actually time before last... i order the kit last time see paste at bottom) I was doing a swivel that had play in it.... from lrseries webby --- you may need to pick the bones out of the list and check it's all there and relevant... (you can also get it all as a kit with the swivel ball - a lot easier!)

FRC7970   NUT TAPER BEARING RETAINER   Brand New (Replacement)   1   3.99   3.99
STC3435S   SWIVEL HOUSING GREASE SACHET   Brand New (Replacement)   1   3.89   3.89
606666   BOTTOM SWIVEL PIN BEARING   Brand New (Replacement)   2   2.24   4.48
571752   AXLE DRIVE MEMBER GASKET   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.24   0.24
FTC3401   CHROME BALL SWIVEL OIL SEAL   Brand New (Replacement)   1   1.89   1.89
571755   SWIVEL SEAL RETAINER PLATE   Brand New (Replacement)   1   2.99   2.99
FTC2882   SWIVEL PIN UPPER NON ABS   Brand New (Replacement)   1   7.49   7.49
FRC2883   SHIM SWIVEL PIN .003MM   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.19   0.19
FRC2886   SWIVEL PIN SHIM 0.03   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.24   0.24
FRC2884   SHIM SWIVEL PIN .005   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.24   0.24
FRC2885   SHIM SWIVEL PIN 0.01MM   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.14   0.14
FTC3646   CHROME BALL TO AXLE CASE GASKET   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.19   0.19
FTC3648   FRONT STUB AXLE GASKET   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.29   0.29
FTC5268   STUB AXLE OIL SEAL INNER   Brand New (Replacement)   1   0.99   0.99
Subtotal:   27.25
Courier: Interlink Express:   6.95
Total:   34.20
Total VAT:   5.99
 
Grand Total:   £40.19
VAT rate (%):   17.5
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and this was the kit for the disco - which was abs so not the same as defender :undecided:

P/N   Product   Condition   Quantity   Unit Price (£)   Line Total (£)
DA3166   SWIVEL HOUSING KIT DISCOVERY ONE / RANGE ROVER CLASSIC   Brand New (Replacement)   1   69.99   69.99
 
Subtotal:   69.99
Courier: Interlink Express:   6.95
Total:   76.94
Total VAT:   15.39
 
Grand Total:   £92.33
VAT rate (%):   20.0

« Last Edit: July 11, 2012, 19:23:08 by Saffy »
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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 19:30:27 »
Thanks Lam and Saffy!

I take it that its better to replace the whole lot rather than to mess about with shims etc???

Only got 17 items on the list... the best one... Passenger door wont open from the inside... how about trying unlock it you muppet! It makes me wonder how they managed to get there MOT ticket! 5 items of brake pipes... 2 marked dangerous... ball joint missing a pin and nut loose... I was sure I had put a nylock on there so will look at that this evening... a couple of bulbs and earth oh and the shocks and thats about it... easy if I can get all the bits for the weekend.... PANIC... its our only car at the moment... And yes I know I should have done this about a month ago..
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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 19:56:15 »
this is why my mot man is into offroading he knows his way round a defender door lock!
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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 20:48:12 »
Well it was only £27 so cant grumble at that side of it...

Is there any definitive way of checking whether its the wheel bearing or the swivel, as just been told it can be easily mistaken...

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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 20:58:44 »
If it's a wheel bearing the play will be present front and rear as well as top and bottom, assuming the calliper isn't gripping the wheel.

You probably have to strip the hub off anyway so you'll know when you get to it.

Also, if the play is detectable with the car stood on it's wheels, a wheel bearing would give you a clunk as it climbs off one race or the other, if that makes sense.

Finally, if there are 2 of you you can feel the affected section underneath while an assistant rocks the wheel.
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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 21:04:49 »
Lift the suspect wheel so it is just off the ground then with a decent sized bar and pivot see if there is any vertical movement of the wheel. It will feel like a clunk as it hits top or bottom.
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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 21:54:11 »
kit will need shimming too, you have to set it up on the bench. Use a spring loaded fish weighing scales.... get peeved off and set to it *feels* right and doesn't snag when rotated back and forth.
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Re: MOT Fail... Help...
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012, 22:14:07 »
One silly question... what size brake pipe... Ive got a load of ends in the Horse lorry but that means going outside... and fishing about there in the dark...
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