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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Bush Tucker Man on November 10, 2005, 20:51:43
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Could be a decent December if this article is correct, or rather the meteorologists are;
'Yorkshire Post' (http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=1249408)
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sounds good to me, all the antis will be asking for tows out of drifts. Maybe we should display a sticker .. DONT ASK< IM ON THE SCHOOL RUN ! :lol:
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DONT ASK< IM ON THE SCHOOL RUN !
Now that is a bumper sticker I would like :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Could be a decent December if this article is correct, or rather the meteorologists are;
meteorologists right :(biggrin):
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When are meteroligists ever right. Got to be a 1st time I suppose, fingers crossed :lol:
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-18.3 degrees on xmas day sounds perishing to me :-)
If it does get that cold, does anyone know at what temperature diesel starts to wax up ?
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-18.3 degrees on xmas day sounds perishing to me :-)
If it does get that cold, does anyone know at what temperature diesel starts to wax up ?
I think british diesel will have waxed by then. When we lived in Sweden we had a particularly cold winter when it was -24 deg C, but their winter fuel is designed to take it.
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Thats what I'm thinking. You know how prepared us british are. They will make changes to the additives to stop it waxing, AFTER half the nation has ground to a halt and can't go anywhere.
Whats the best way to stop it waxing then? Someone once said adding a very small amount of petrol or parrafin to a tank of diesel can reduce the waxing. Is there a definative answer?
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I can remember years ago, asking my Dad why the lorry drivers were lighting fires under their lorries :shock: - I didn't know then, that diesel waxed up when it got really cold, and that lighting the fires (under the fuel tanks) got them going again !
Wouldn't really work on todays plastic tanks though :oops: :oops:
Jim
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Wouldn't really work on todays plastic tanks though
Jim, I think you've found another good reason to fit a tank guard . . . . :wink:
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UK diesel will wax at -12 degrees, and probably even sooner, seeing how we have had remarkably warm winters for the past decade.
Yes adding petrol to diesel will help, a bit like screenwash, anti-freeze etc. Wouldn't put more than a couple of litres into a full tank though. Run the risk a shredding the fiel filter and then the risk of particles blocking injectors etc.
As for the weather. If they are predicting that, I'll get the shorts back out!
BB...
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I got stuck in the snow once in my car, somebody infront has an accident and by the time the road infront had been cleared I had snow right up the doors and half way up the windows (I was in the middle of an open area and it was snowing sideways with the wind!). I and my car made the local papers, my car as you could only just see the roof, and myself being rescued by a Land Rover. The car was buried, the police and the farmer (with the Landie) dug down to the boot and I crawled out of the back, into the Landie and off to food and warmth.
Long story, but there is a point......
I have always wanted a Land Rover, and this added to that, and now I've (finally) got one, ready for the winter - BUT NOW YOUR TELLING ME MY FUEL WILL FREEZE :cry:
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Wouldn't really work on todays plastic tanks though
Jim, I think you've found another good reason to fit a tank guard . . . . :wink:
Simon, I'll be using the 110 if it gets really bad.....that's got an Eberspacher diesel cabin heater, so it'll be toasty warm in the mornings 8)
Jim
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It's true- we could quite easily have a freeze up in this country due to minor changes in ocean temperatures and flows!
I studied Meteorlogy and some Oceanography at college. What they are talking about is a change in position of the Polar Front (the division between the Temperate warm air mass and the colder Polar air mass). In a 'normal' winter the Polar Front resides well to the North of Britain. Most of the snowfall activity takes place at the Polar Front boundary where the cool and warm air mixing basicaly creates 'weather'. So Scandinavia and Notrthern Scotland normaly gets it.
If circumstances conspire to shift the position of the Polar Front south (i.e. the already observed changes in Ocean temperature etc) then more Southerly countries will be on the mixing boundry and will get colder AND get the snowfall asscociated with the mixing air masses. Scandinavia on the other hand will be just drier and colder than usual.
Remember- Britain is at the same latitude as Newfoundland- they too have a Maritime Climate but have far colder winters since they do not have the warming effect of the Gulf Stream (in fact I think there is a stream of Polar water off that coast). If the Gulf Stream stopped then it certainly would be COLD here and also much drier too more akin to the climate of southern Chile- a bit grim really.
Anyway enough of the Met lesson. I'm looking forward to some snow (my oldest child of six has only been sledging once!!) and holding two fingers up to the Anti's who think 4WD is unecessary. Bring it on I say!
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I have always wanted a Land Rover, and this added to that, and now I've (finally) got one, ready for the winter - BUT NOW YOUR TELLING ME MY FUEL WILL FREEZE :cry:
I'll be alright .. LPG doesn't even turn to _liquid_ until -47C !
:)
Sure everything else will freeze up though ! had an old Montego where the coolant in the block froze once, when we used to have real winters (and the antifreeze was crap)
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Funny, my camping stove struggles to light any where near freezing?
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.......camping..........freezing
Should those two words be used in the same sentance?
<thinks> 4 or 5 star luxury or camping?
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This is PANTS!!!! us southerners on the coast NEVER see any snow, not decentg enough for a Landie :(
Yes im sulking!
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Ok then guys how about a 50/50 mix of vegatable oil and diesel ?
....will that freeze easyer or less easy
And how about the metholated spirts trick ?
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Ok then guys how about a 50/50 mix of vegatable oil and diesel ?
....will that freeze easyer or less easy
I would think that veg oil might freeze before diesel, as modern diesel has some additives to stop it waxing up - so you might be ok with a tank full of 'straight' diesel, but a 50/50 blend might give you grief !
Jim
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With talk of freezing diesel, suddenly a 15mpg V8 seems OK after all :lol:
Sadly, like Gosport, we don't get snow very often in Norfolk. If we do, it is only a few inches. Still has people driving into ditches and public transport grinding to a halt though!
Where I live now 6 inches of snow would be really interesting. It is likely to drift and bank up nicely into a few feet :D
But MT's are not ideal in snow, are they? I'd probably find the Freelander out performs the 110 with it's M+S tyres, traction control, etc :oops: :?
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about 4 years ago the main road into my toen was forgotten about & stayed blocked for a hole week & the snow was like 5ft deep in the drifts,its ment to be like this year again but as i said before im heading north in search of more snow
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BTW, Propane does freeze, butane doesn't tend to. Guess which one we get as LPG folks.
And who as it said about lighting fires under plastic tanks, well trust me, as long as it's full of fuel you are perfectly ok, if it isn't then be careful, better still use a lower form of heat. Once it's running the fuel return on a Diesel can help keep the fuel warm and counteract the wind chill of air rushing under the car, yet another reason to get a tank guard :D
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yet another reason to get a tank guard :D
I must get mine on soon!!
:wink:
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BTW, Propane does freeze, butane doesn't tend to.
When you see the all year caravaners they use propane (red) in the winter because it doesn't freeze as quickly as butane (blue)
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Not wishing to get on anybody's wick or owt, but, it's snowing here right now! :P \:D/ :P
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When we used to have colder winters, the fuel companies always added extra additives to the diesel to lower the waxing temperatures. (Remember the Esso adverts with the Tiger in the snowscape)
I suspect that if the temperature looks like it is going to drop that low, then they will change the mixture.... especially in these litigant times :?
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barsteward
Wait:
i have the wknd off & a full dank of gas & a pair of sunglasses & its only 200 miles to Karloss,
I have a plan
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In case there is actually some snow here in the Midlands this winter I want to get some screw-in ice studs for my tyres (General Grabber Mud Terrains come with the hole ready to screw them in).
http://www.generaltire.com/generator/www/us/en/generaltire/automobile/themes/van/extreme_traction/grabber_mt/master_en.html
Does anyone know where to get them? I've looked a few times on E-bay US but to no avail.
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ive got a set of michi XZL's with the studs already fitted :lol:
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When we used to have colder winters, the fuel companies always added extra additives to the diesel to lower the waxing temperatures. (Remember the Esso adverts with the Tiger in the snowscape)
Yes and i also remember the media haveing a field day two week's into the ad campaine because of a exceptional cold snap & trucks being stuck up and down the country with waxy derv.
it stuck in my mind because i was overtaken by a milk flote :oops:
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Funny, my camping stove struggles to light any where near freezing?
Thats because butane gets denser and eventually freezes well before say propane. However butane far safer to use.
But at the temperatures were hoping for, forget the stove, if you were camping, I'd bet my mortgage, you'd be knocking on my caravan door in the early hours!!
BB...
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Heh heh Petrol powered bring on the snow :D
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Sorry, but can't have any snow until after Xmas!! I've got 24,000 Poinsettia (those red Xmas plants) which I've got to deliver and at the nursery I'm burning 20,000 litres of gas oil a month at double the price of two years ago! Nice and warm until 24th December then it can snow like mad!
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Not wishing to get on anybody's wick or owt, but, it's snowing here right now! :P \:D/ :P
Doesn't it do that all year round up there??? :P :lol:
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When we used to have colder winters, the fuel companies always added extra additives to the diesel to lower the waxing temperatures. (Remember the Esso adverts with the Tiger in the snowscape)
Yes and i also remember the media haveing a field day two week's into the ad campaine because of a exceptional cold snap & trucks being stuck up and down the country with waxy derv.
it stuck in my mind because i was overtaken by a milk flote :oops:
wasnt that campain fronted by Anika Rice :?: :?:
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Not wishing to get on anybody's wick or owt, but, it's snowing here right now! :P \:D/ :P
Doesn't it do that all year round up there??? :P :lol:
Not ALL year.
But it did today!!
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wish i was there
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You can be mate. But it's a long walk! 8)
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Dusting (as they say) is forcast for North Wales hills Thu/Fri night
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hindsight is a wonderfull thing,wish i had gone on a rondom petral wasting journey n came up to see you now karl,wouldve still hadf a cd player that worked & would be nice n warm
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It was -1C this morning and everywhere was covered with groundfrost.
Had to defrost the windscreen before starting off.
Ahh! You can't beat a crispy morning.
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hindsight is a wonderfull thing,wish i had gone on a rondom petral wasting journey n came up to see you now karl,wouldve still hadf a cd player that worked & would be nice n warm
Just to further whet your whistle.
And yes, it is as steep as it looks!