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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Wolfie on November 24, 2005, 11:37:15
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Sometime during the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 this afternoon, 12 'til 2.
There is a vote on the Radio 2 website Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/)
I'm expecting the usual ill informed nonsense.
Regards
Andy
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Get your votes in :wink:
Yes 47%
No 53%
Total votes: 114
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Get your votes in :wink:
Voted :wink:
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Me too.
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just voted and the vote is now 60%
will be listening this afternoon
PS not many people voted
PLEASE PLEASE VOTE NOW
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Just voted and the results (as of 12 midday) are
Yes 21%
No 79%
Total votes: 400
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just voted 30 times brought the vote to 60%
will be listening this afternoon
PS not many people voted
I am afraid, I don't think that this is very helpful. PM sent.
Cheers
H
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I have voted 'no' btw and will be looking forward to the debate.
I don't think we should be prejudging the debate before it happens. The BBC prides itself on its balanced and fair view, let's wait and see what is said.
Regards
H
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Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities?
Yes 16%
No 84%
Total votes: 692
:)
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The ironic thing is the 1st topic is about winter weather. No one needs a 4x4 (in the city or otherwise) when it snows now do they ? :roll:
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Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities?
Yes 13%
No 87%
Total votes: 1049
Not that it would make too much difference. The Goverment no longer represent, more state what the country wants.
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Yes 13%
No 87%
Total votes: 1049
Seems to be moving a bit now
Agreed, at the mo, things are going to be interesting to see how people go on.
My mate is getting a regular stream of breakdowns and half the time I go out with the disco to sort them out, no complaints yet though :wink:
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Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities?
Yes 12%
No 88%
Total votes: 1421
I e-mailed before the show began:
Dear Jeremy
Are you a member of the Urban alliance against 4 x 4's? You seem to give them, and their ilk plenty of free pubicity, with very little opportunity for those of us who drive 4 wheel drive vehicles an opportunity to redress the balance. It gets pretty tiresome, hearing all the same hackneyed arguments trotted out time after time.
Yes I drive a Land Rover
Yes it is my ONLY vehicle
Yes I use it off road as my 'hobby' as well as my family car
Yes it is MY choice WHAT type of vehicle I drive
My car is 14 years old, a diesel engined vehicle; it does approximately 30 mpg: more than many 2 WD cars.
The majority of pollution caused by motor cars is is their PRODUCTION not their running life; thus supposedly 'environmentally friendly' vehicles which only last 5 years (if that) are far more damaging to the environment than any older vehicle, regardless of the number of wheels which have power to them.
70% of all Land Rovers produced are STILL on the road; and thay have been made since 1948, how many "smart cars" will still be in use when they are over 50 years old??
The arguments and figures used by these anti 4x4 groups are not even factual; they are figures from the USA, using "SUV's many of which are not available to buy in the UK
Bad drivers are dangerous, it does not matter what vehicle they are in.
If these people want to do something to help humanity, I suggest they go and do some voluntary work in the third world (as I have done) or campaign for a higher standard of driving in the UK.
I also suggest you take a look at http://www.4x4prejudice.org/ this site gives a balanced view of the prejudice we put up with from 'do-gooders' who could benefit the world and their fellow man from more constructive use of their, clearly abundant, free time!
Please feel free to call me if you would like me to contribute further to the discussion."
a bit badly constructed I know, but hey, I was in a rush!!
Hmm, no calls yet..... Not holding my breath!!
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nice e-mail Dirty-g
i am listening now and they are talking a load of rubish :(
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its starting :twisted:
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:o :o Oh dear,oh dear...just listening to this debate now...I would love to meet this anti 4 x 4 female and stick one of her bogus parking tickets where the sun does not shine...yes I have voted....
:) :) Billy no Mates
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here are some points so far:
uses 4 times the fuel
emits 4 times the carbo dioxide
anti 4x4 poetry
diesel 4x4 emits hydrocarbens (so does all other cars)
25% more likely t be in an accident
should be £2000 per year in tax
and the silly cow rides a bike
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Ash is on-air !!!
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Go Ash!
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He's mentioned mud-club
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mud club is on now :D :D :D :D :D
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Ash is on-air !!!
And very eloquent too, but probably to no effect on Berry
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:) :) Anybody got the Web site details of this silly persons organisation
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Well that was a well ballanced constructive debate! :roll:
You know, I could have swarn I'd heard that before........same old, same old!
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:) :) Web Site details of these misguided creatures...www.allianceagainsturban4x4.co.uk
Sad sad sad people...
:( :( Billy no Mates
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It was pleasing to see and hear that the majority of people are still against silly people such as Sian. :D
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Apart for Jeremy's personal view on bull bars, was it that bad a debate? Both sides were represented. Well done Ash.
As little as I think that there is any real basis for the anti argument, you have to respect that they too are very passionate about the issue.
H
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:roll: :roll: just sat there and listened to it.....hmmmm. its the same old thing day in day out with this lot. just wish they would change the record. :?
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interesting comment she made about relative size of vehicles in a crash.
As we cannot ban lorries, buses etc then we should start a campaign to remove all cars that weigh less than 1500kg from the road and help with safety :lol:
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Don't forget the response site http://www.4x4prejudice.org/
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the votings just gone 'tother way, I feel a little lobbying has been going on
55 % YES
45% NO
and it's rising fast !
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OOPS they forgot to mention the on-line vote
I WONDER WHY
12% YES
88% NO
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Well the government went against public opinion in relation to 24 hour drinking, lets hope they do the same regarding the anti-ownership of 4x4 vehicles :wink:
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Take a look at the message board on the radio 2 web site
some interesting comments
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142824?thread=1536001
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hmm, the voting suddenly gained 4,000 'yes' votes between one person voting and seeing the result, looks like someone's hacked it!! Typical, level playing field? I think not! (Good thing we got 4WD :wink: )
Oh, I've invited Jezza to have me on for a face to face with Sian, see how she likes REAL facts??
Will he reply
Is Santa Claus real??....
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hmm, the voting suddenly gained 4,000 'yes' votes between one person voting and seeing the result, looks like someone's hacked it!! Typical, level playing field? I think not!
Two can play at that game. :D
The playing field is now level again. Dunno how that happened. :-"
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LEVEL :(bigangry):
IT SHOULD BE A STEEP SLOPE WITH A 4X4 AT THE TOP AND THE BICYCLE RIDING TREE HUGGER AT THE BOTTOM
guess what happens next :(biglaugh):
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guess what happens next
A loud (satisfying) crunching noise by any chance?
:lol:
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Level once again :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh): funny as f$%&*
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Yes 41%
No 59%
Total votes: 11014
something is going right :wink:
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I refuse to comment as to why there is a surge of voting :)
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Did my best lads, didnt really have enough time, they warned me I'd only have a few seconds.
Wished I could of said alot more, I had loads of points written down but alas my ranting was cut off :( :( :( :(
Of well, at least MC got a mention!!! :D
Thanks for all your kind words, I was a little nervous so thats why I sound like a jibering wreck :?
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Missed you talking Ash, sorry mate.
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same here.... :oops: got a text to say you were on....
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio2_aod.shtml?radio2/r2_vine_thu
forward to 1:20 into the show,
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I thought you did very well Ash, I was trying to get through, it rang and rang, but sadly no answer :cry:
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I thought you did very well Ash, I was trying to get through, it rang and rang, but sadly no answer :cry:
Took me some 20 attempts and then eventually I got through.
What I discussed with Jeremy was useless as he then asked me a different question, I was a bit thrown off my point then :(
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Missed it
:cry:
Sounds like it was fun though.
Well done Ash for getting on.
Talking of road tax for a moment.
If they want to make the tax on 4x4's £2000, that wont be very fair.
Our 7.5 tonne trucks only pay £165 per year, dig the road up a lot worse that a 4x4 , run twice as bad (smoke clouds) and take up twice as much room as you average 4x4.
Silly, un-thought out arguement.
That would meen trucks would have to pay £4000 for a 17 tonne and £100,000 for an artic per year.
hmm, cant see that somehow.
Look at the ruckus the trucks did last time the road tax was raised and the fuel tax was raised.
Blocked motorways and London to a stand still.
:shock:
Bring the country to its knees........it will!!
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voted
what does"Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion " mean.
Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities?
Yes 38%
No 62%
Total votes: 12192
thats the scores now
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voted
what does"Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion " mean.
Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities?
Yes 38%
No 62%
Total votes: 12192
thats the scores now
Because forums like ours bombard them :lol:
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Missed it
:cry:
Sounds like it was fun though.
Well done Ash for getting on.
Talking of road tax for a moment.
If they want to make the tax on 4x4's £2000, that wont be very fair.
Our 7.5 tonne trucks only pay £165 per year, dig the road up a lot worse that a 4x4 , run twice as bad (smoke clouds) and take up twice as much room as you average 4x4.
Silly, un-thought out arguement.
That would meen trucks would have to pay £4000 for a 17 tonne and £100,000 for an artic per year.
hmm, cant see that somehow.
Look at the rucka's the trucks did last time the road tax was raised and the fuel tax was raised.
Blocked motorways and London to a stand still.
:shock:
Bring the country to its knees........it will!!
Somehow they might change their minds if they went shopping and noticed the prices reflected the increase in transport costs
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Or the empty shelfs 'cause the trucks ain't delivering
:?
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voted
what does"Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion " mean.
Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities?
Yes 38%
No 62%
Total votes: 12192
thats the scores now
Because forums like ours bombard them :lol:
does that not question free speech if we can't comment
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just to keep you all updated
Should 4x4s Be Banned From Cities?
Yes 37%
No 63%
Total votes: 12386
Guess what I voted for..... :?:
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The tree huggers have to think very carefull about this as What do they class as a 4x4 it could be anything from the little fiat panda 4x4 to the hummer . and using size as there argument is usless as most people carries are bigger that the range rover.
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BBC? Impartial? Balanced? SINCE WHEN?