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Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 22:53:08
I went down to the local shop to buy a packet of butter.  

I paid but only had a £20 note ( I know this as I tried to give it to SWMBO but she gave it back as I was skint).

I just noticed I have £29 in my pocket which can't be right (a £20 note being one) - the shop must have given me too much change.  If I had spotted it at the time I would have said something straight away however that was about 5 hours ago now and they are very closed.

Would you go back the next day?  I might just stick the tenner in a charity box thing about it tho'.

Matthew
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Sheddy on December 18, 2005, 22:55:12
I would definately go back.  treat people how you would want to be treated.
 except the taxman - screw him!
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 22:58:39
Would you go back if the shop staff/owners were normally not very freindly? Kind of those ones that stair at soemthnig else and say "97 pence", no please or thank you?

Matthew
Title: A question of morals
Post by: ianc on December 18, 2005, 22:59:19
think i'd take it back, it being the season for humbug and all that  :D

Ian
Title: A question of morals
Post by: LandRoger on December 18, 2005, 23:01:23
If its a local one man enterprise def take it back -he-she will remember it, if its a food chain , its your xmas bonus :twisted:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Horness on December 18, 2005, 23:01:34
It's Christmas, a time for giving...

...and they gave.

End of story really.
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Sheddy on December 18, 2005, 23:01:48
Quote from: "Matt_H"
Would you go back if the shop staff/owners were normally not very freindly? Kind of those ones that stair at soemthnig else and say "97 pence", no please or thank you?

Matthew


Yes.  treat people how you want to be treated.  No exceptions!! :)
Title: A question of morals
Post by: strapping young lad on December 18, 2005, 23:07:39
unless its your employers then take them for all you can! ;)

what you need to think about is the consequence of taking the money back.

if its a local enterprise it will happen in your benefit as you will be classed as a trusted person to deal with, and if you are caught short in the future he might tell yuou to call again and bring the rest of the money

if its a chain then they will say thanks and thats the end of it.  they didnt notice it missing but the local shop man will (or woman)

we tell all our customers if they are short to drop it off

cos before they give us their dog we take down their details (address/ phone number) so there is no escaping!

u dont want to be getting a knock from me of an evening asking for money cos i dont do niceties and i dont do excuses.

neither to small claims courts!

so back on track

its up to you, maybe if you kept your trap shut and not said owt on here you would have kept the money but the do-gooders on here will tell you otherwise and your conscience kicks in!
;)
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Lee_D on December 18, 2005, 23:09:31
Take it back....and buy 10 lottery tickets.. If you win a million it's fates way of telling you you need to return the money... if not no loss!

 :D
Lee D
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 23:11:18
If I screwed up then I want people to tell me... (no comments about small fires!).. I think it's family run, its a chain franchise type place and I've been there about 3 times in 2 years so dont really know much about the people/place.  They dont say much and arent particularly friendly, but I'm getting one of those mega moral thigns going on in my head.

I've caught a cash card in an ATM that had pin and everything entered all I needed to do was press the button saying more services please and could have had £250, I took it into the branch - there was a long queue so I just went up to the counter saying excuse me, and this was in the cash machnies with pin entered... All I got for my troubles was filthy scowling looks from customer and counter woman.  

I've handed money back or too much change in the past and I dont get any thanks (not that I do it for the thanks)..

I think the people in the area I live in are getting me down (mean southerners).

So is it charity box (who are in need and grateful) or drop it back to the shop... or buy someone else a present ;-)

Matthew
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 23:13:18
Quote from: "Lee_D"
Take it back....and buy 10 lottery tickets.. If you win a million it's fates way of telling you you need to return the money... if not no loss!

 :D
Lee D


thats a good idea, the shop get a small cut, charity the rest.. oh errr I dnot gamble :-(

Anyone want ten lottery tickets?

Oh I could get scratch cards, that' not really gambling is it???  tee hee

Matthew
Title: A question of morals
Post by: ianc on December 18, 2005, 23:19:59
my guess is you realy want to put it in the charity box, although you could buy someone a present instead :lol:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: strapping young lad on December 18, 2005, 23:21:50
its different with an atm cos thats someone's own money.

wife always accuses me of being a sceptic but the thing is these days you cant just leave your car unlocked on the drive, you dont get conversations when you walk down the road in your own village.  and one major point ive noticed since moving to a more urban area.. people dont flash or wave you down as you drive towards a hazard or worse.. a speed camera.

when ive done it i get quizzical looks from people thinking im flashing them cos i know them!

sad times
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 23:21:55
Quote from: "ianc"
my guess is you realy want to put it in the charity box, although you could buy someone a present instead :lol:


ok, what do you want?

Matthew
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 23:29:02
well the atm queston isnt really someones money as the bank would pay the person back.. I know they have these 'stupid people' clauses but as far as I know (knowing about 10 people who work for a leading building soc) they never invoke them as customers are likely to go somewhere else or loose confidence in the whole banking structure whcih would be bad (notice banks never go out of business, they only ever merge or get taken over).. there is a very good reason for that!

I do know what you mean about unfriendlyness.. I pulled up once and flashed people approaching a camera van - one guy did a loop back round twice and thanked me, and about 3 people waved a thanks (this was one on a stupid dual carriage way they had reduced to 50 when there really is no reason).. most people (especially women) gave me very puzzled looks!  

I really wish I was living 30 years ago when life seemed so much more pleasant.. I rem a sketch on the tv where a woman smacks a passer by - member of public - with a broom, his reposnse "I beg your pardon"  I loved that!

Matthew
Title: A question of morals
Post by: TUFFTEE on December 18, 2005, 23:42:02
I would return the Butter tomorrow and get my money back!
And then you would be a Full Tenner Up! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Mind you on the serious side!
 If the shop had tried to give you the 9 pounds! one note which was a fiver! and you not noticing that till later!
Do you think they would give you the rest? Later!

I DON'T THINK SO! :shock:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 23:48:53
Quote from: "TUFFTEE"

Mind you on the serious side!
 If the shop had tried to give you the 9 pounds! one note which was a fiver! and you not noticing that till later!
Do you think they would give you the rest? Later!

I DON'T THINK SO! :shock:


very true - should i get a t-shirt made - please check before giving me change - mistakes cannot be rectified later!

Matthew
Title: A question of morals
Post by: PUX on December 18, 2005, 23:52:01
:shock:  :shock:  mean southerners  :shock:  :shock:  matt how can u say that when u have just atken from that shop  :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: TUFFTEE on December 18, 2005, 23:54:09
Quote from: "Matt_H"
Quote from: "TUFFTEE"

Mind you on the serious side!
 If the shop had tried to give you the 9 pounds! one note which was a fiver! and you not noticing that till later!
Do you think they would give you the rest? Later!

I DON'T THINK SO! :shock:


very true - should i get a t-shirt made - please check before giving me change - mistakes cannot be rectified later!

Matthew


Like the others said! If its a local corner shop then go back and tell them
mind you the young girl/ Lad that served you might have been in trouble with her/ his boss? When he found the Takings down! And make her pay it out of her wages?

If it's a Large Retailer/Supamarket then sod Em!! They can afford it? :wink:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 23:58:32
Quote from: "TUFFTEE"
Quote from: "Matt_H"
Quote from: "TUFFTEE"

Mind you on the serious side!
 If the shop had tried to give you the 9 pounds! one note which was a fiver! and you not noticing that till later!
Do you think they would give you the rest? Later!

I DON'T THINK SO! :shock:


very true - should i get a t-shirt made - please check before giving me change - mistakes cannot be rectified later!

Matthew


Like the others said! If its a local corner shop then go back and tell them
mind you the young girl/ Lad that served you might have been in trouble with her/ his boss? When he found the Takings down! And make her pay it out of her wages?

If it's a Large Retailer/Supamarket then sod Em!! They can afford it? :wink:


it was the grumpy boss I think!

M
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Matt_H on December 18, 2005, 23:59:24
Quote from: "pux"
:shock:  :shock:  mean southerners  :shock:  :shock:  matt how can u say that when u have just atken from that shop  :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:


tee hee

Matt
Title: A question of morals
Post by: beast5680 on December 19, 2005, 08:25:08
here,s another idea send it to me along with your conscience then i can spend it and you need not worry :twisted:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: gtomo2 on December 19, 2005, 09:04:37
Did that at a garage they gave me to much change went back into the garage to tell them i had the wrong change. so went back into the garage and they said it was to late to sort it as i had left the shop. and bascily said tuff. You should of see the face of the bloke when i said thanks for the extra £5 you have given me. :lol:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: thermidorthelobster on December 19, 2005, 09:20:23
I think I'd take it back, given the circumstances.  It'll give you a warm glow of satisfaction.  If it were the local bank, on the other hand, I'd keep it, given that they have no compunction about screwing their own customers!
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Ja1983 on December 19, 2005, 09:31:52
simple, ther shop, their rules, surely they have a sign saying

"all change must be checked as mistakes cannot be rectified after leaving the shop.. blah bla."

you entrusted them to be competant in their job. they said nothing to the pont at which you left their premises and thereby completed your part of the contract, they gave you the change,and it is up to them to ensure they do it correctly.

....and lets face it, you go back in the next day, the spotty oik on the till will most likely pocket the orange wonder anyway!

give it to something/one you love if your concience still ways heavy. :wink:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: TimM on December 19, 2005, 09:39:17
Quote from: "Matt_H"
it was the grumpy boss I think!


That has swung me onto the 'keep it' side, grumpy people don't deserve it.

I was given too much change recently in my local chip shop, I go there probably once a fortnight, it was only £1 too much, but I told the lady and she thanked me very much and put it back in the till (this leads onto another question - if you give it back where will it go?), now when I go in I feel I get better service, a few of them recognise me and know what I want and they seem to select the best items to give me rather than taking the first.

It makes me feel better stood on the moral high ground..... BUT in your position I wouldn't waste my time taking it back, he doesn't sound like he desrves it, he might remember being short, but won't remember you, any thanks will be a mere token gesture, and if you take it back he won't even remember you next time you go in.

HIS LOSS, SPEND IT AND HAVE A HAPPIER CHRISTMAS
Title: A question of morals
Post by: karloss on December 19, 2005, 09:43:03
Quote from: "strapping young lad"
the thing is these days you cant just leave your car unlocked on the drive, you dont get conversations when you walk down the road in your own village.  and  people dont flash or wave you down as you drive towards a hazard


Speak for your own village!! :lol:
The things you have just mentioned there are a lot of the reasons we moved to where we are. I leave the car(and the house) unlocked for days on end. All the locals look out for one another, and everyone stops for a chat when passing. Even forgot the garage door one night and left it wide open all night with the lights blazing for all to see. :oops:  Integral garage too! Door into the house unlocked, the full works. It's how village life is supposed to be, it's like stepping back in time. Inverness however, only 40 minutes away, total opposite, full of ignorant city dwellers, cutting you up, standing on your toes, shutting doors on you. Grrr. :wink:
Needless to say, I'm in no rush to move back down south.
Title: A question of morals
Post by: TimM on December 19, 2005, 09:50:02
Quote from: "karloss"
Speak for your own village!! :lol:


It's not just villages, when I lived in Cambridge some of the local kids knocked on my door when i came home from work with the news

"the people next door have gone out and left their front door open with the keys in it, we've been watching it all day, but what should we do?"

So I took all the electrical stuff.....  :twisted:

NO! I had a quick look around the inside armed with a large bat shaped object to make sure no-one was in, then left a big sign on the front door, locked it and took the keys.

And that was in a city  :P
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Ja1983 on December 19, 2005, 10:12:34
i once left 4trak unlocked, keys in the ignition over night!

normally if its not nailed down then it will go walkies, the local scotes must have thought it was a trap! :lol:  extremely lucky tho!
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Damonski on December 19, 2005, 10:24:47
£20 towards a 300 series headlight upgrade kit  :wink:
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Bush Tucker Man on December 19, 2005, 20:24:52
Quote from: "karloss"

Needless to say, I'm in no rush to move back down south.


Oh, so I classed as a southerner now are I?? :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

Having looked at the entries here, I have to say that on the odd couple of occassions I've been handed too much money, it's alway been handed straight back.
We do, at the Hospital, get the odd old dear who comes in with £3,000 in her purse  :shock:  (pensions are higher than they admit to then :wink:  :roll: )
So when money/valubles are taken for safe keeping (Nurses party fund - only joking) it is always checked, listed & countersigned by at least 2 Nurses before sealing & going into the departmental safe until it can be handed over to the Bursar in the General Office or the patient is discharged.

We do the get odd patient who slides a five into your hand says; "Have a drink/box of chocolates on me"
This is strictly taboo, we can accept chocolates/flowers/boxes of biscuits, etc..., but not money.
It is always handed back with a thankyou, but also an explaination.
If they want to donate to someone, I always suggest either the Lifeboats, or the National Canine Defence League
Title: A question of morals
Post by: Wanderer on December 19, 2005, 21:36:16
I'm old school and giving it back, even if the guy is the most obnoxious person going, the feeling is worth a lot more than cash.

We were walking around a market in Bathgate (Scotland) and a guy in front of us dropped a hell of a wedge. My lad, about 10 at the time spotted it and picked it up and asked what to do. I said to give it to the guy.

He gave it to him and he riped £50 out of the wedge and gave to him.

Now man may just say Thanks or grunt but at least you get to know that you did the right thing.

I've lost my wallet before now with all my wages in it. In the days when you got cash in a paypacket. It gutted me for weeks and it was near Christmas.

That's what I'd do but then that's me.

Like others. I treat others as I would like to be treated.
Incidently Tim Muddy can vouch for this. I bought a load of stuff from him at Tixover and when I got back to the car I worked out that he'd undercharged me and lost out quite badly.
I hardly knew him yet still went back and told him.

He said thanks and said no problem. I went away happy that I'd done what I thought was right.
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