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Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: Jake on January 13, 2006, 20:37:25: This might sound like a daft question but does anyone know the correct way up Scorpion rear springs should be?
Mine have tighter coils on them and Beast5680 and myself fitted them on with the tight coils at the top.
But i've noticed that some peolpe fit them the other way up (tighter coils at the bottom)
What is the right way up????
:?

Heres 2 pictures to show you all what i mean.
Mine is the close shot, tight coils at the top
The other is a Dakar @ Billing with the tight coils at the bottom
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: barmiebrumie on January 13, 2006, 20:53:20: Jake, dont know which is right but mine are the same as yours & i did ask lot's of people the same question & gots lots of different answers so just left them as they are :? , so lets see if anyone can say as to why they shoud be the ''other way round'',

Oh btw if you know of a pair of 2+progressive springs going give me a shout :wink:

Thanks John.
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: SteveG on January 13, 2006, 21:09:28: Progressive springs should be fitted with the tighter coils at the bottom.

Don't ask me why, as I haven't got a clue :) - Just know that's the case

Cheers

Steve :P
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: denviks on January 13, 2006, 21:12:34: i always thought that progressives should be fitted with tight rings at the top........ :roll:
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: beast5680 on January 13, 2006, 21:26:36: what Jake doesnt mention is that when we did them one was tight coils at the top and the other was at the bottom, so we took a guess at the tight coils should be at the top
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: davidlandy on January 13, 2006, 21:44:36: how or why should it make any difference which way they are fitted????

I thought that the tight coils should be at the top as then it makes the spring retainer plate easy to fit?
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: hingmy on January 13, 2006, 21:44:41: Erm i"ve proggressives on and the tighter winding is at the top as OEM. Anyone with a 300tdi disco care to elaborate?
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: denviks on January 13, 2006, 21:47:45: my understanding is that the rings spaced further apart give easier first. as they close up the tighter rings dont give so easily.....hense progressive springs :wink:
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: SteveG on January 13, 2006, 21:54:55: I have no idea too. You would think they could be fitted either way up and maybe they can, I've just seen on some spring sites that they should always be fitted with tighter springs at the bottom.

How they work is that the wider spaced and lighter springs touch under load and then loading is just what tighter spaced springs can carry. That's how I understand it.

Cheers

Steve
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: hingmy on January 13, 2006, 22:08:36: i would agree with Denviks and that was why i went for them - i like the idea that you can have a softer rate on a rapid action speed surface to absorb smaller stuff and a harder rate for longer travel but gentler travelled terrain
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: seph234 on January 13, 2006, 23:05:59: i also thought that the tight coils went at the top as it also stops mud getting wedged in the coils from the tyre. joe
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: Thrasher on January 13, 2006, 23:09:19: my tight coils are at the bottom. I reckon most people fit them the other way up 'cos it is easier :-)
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: Bulli on January 13, 2006, 23:51:04: I had a set and spoke to Colin at Scorpion at length. Mine were clearly marked top and which side...the tighter coils are at the top...
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: rollazuki on January 14, 2006, 08:41:44: OK folks, the answer is, tight coils at the top!
Reason:
The tightly coiled portion is heavier, and is added to the sprung weight of the vehicle, if its the other way up you add weight to the unsprung parts of the car detracting from ride quality.
Its the same reason that valve springs are fitted with tight coils against the head and the open part against the collet, the tight part doesnt move at all, it sits still. The open part is the bit that moves.

Rollazuki
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: davidlandy on January 14, 2006, 08:46:12: have you got that info on good advice? or just made it up?!?! :wink:

hear what you are saying but the extra weight of the spring (x4) is not going to make that much difference surely?
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: rollazuki on January 14, 2006, 09:34:15: Really, it is fact!
Its the premis that all spring installation follows.
The tightly coiled end of a spring(heaviest) should always be installed against the 'stationary' seat and the lighter end of the spring against the moving part.

Check out any manufacturer installed springs in pretty much anything. Like I mentioned, valve springs, motorcycle suspension springs.
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: Budgie on January 14, 2006, 11:02:39: When I did the Disco & Rangie with Scorpions progressive springs they went in with the tighter coils at the top for 3 main reasons:

1. Thats the way Land Rover fitted the original progressives I took out of the Disco.

2. It's hard to get the spring retainer plate in with tight coils at the bottom.

3. I didn't want a pool of mud sat in the bottom of the tight coils!

:D
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: davidlandy on January 14, 2006, 11:53:48: Quote from: "Budgie"
When I did the Disco & Rangie with Scorpions progressive springs they went in with the tighter coils at the top for 3 main reasons:

1. Thats the way Land Rover fitted the original progressives I took out of the Disco.

2. It's hard to get the spring retainer plate in with tight coils at the bottom.

3. I didn't want a pool of mud sat in the bottom of the tight coils!

:D

now that makes sense!
Title: Scorpion rear springs
Post by: Bulli on January 14, 2006, 14:37:28: Budgie thats a real world answer and a good one too. Rolla has seen a few motors in his time and has worked on my bikes and disco cant fault his knowledge...he is a pain in the rear though!only kiddin' Ian