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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: muddyweb on January 14, 2006, 22:10:04
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I don't know if people are doing it deliberately, or if some of you really just don't get the way things are.
I'm sure you know all too well that there are issues on the forum, and I'm sure you know that the entire website is run, funded and in existence because of the work by a small group of people.
Some people's constant digs and what appear to be attempts to wind us up are frankly not appreciated. A few of us give a hell of a lot to this club, and to be totally honest, some of the posts have been more than a little irritating.
They smack of a complete lack of understanding of the basic philosophies of the club, so a quick message to all.
If you don't want to make a positive contribution to Mud-Club, that's fine, there is no pressure to do so...
If you want to spend your time making posts with the intention of winding the admins up, then you are in the wrong place. If you want to insinuate that there are dark forces at work, removing anything and everything that isn't 'liked'.... you are sadly mistaken.
If anyone has a problem with the way the site is run... let me know about it. Send me a PM. I'll reply to you with a totally honest, no punches-pulled reply. If you have a problem and are not prepared to do this... then please go find someone else to wind up... my limit has been reached.
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pm sent
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Sorry to hear that.
I try to only post relevent stuff.
Got my own club forum so i know what it can be like.
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I dont exactly know what the issues you have are Tim but I understand your frustration with running a club
I run Aylesbury, it costs me probably £200-300 a year in phone calls, printing, running around etc etc. I make no money from the club, I get no advanatage from running the club. I get agro from home as it takes so much time. But I do it through love of running a club and a love of land rovers
Committee (I know MC has no committee but the admin guys are kind of that in a very different and uncontrolling way) but they put into MC what alot of committee put into a local club. And thats TIME, and a shed load of it. We all have outside commitments, work, relationships etc, and once again, we're not doing this for any advantage other than sheer committment to the club.
In my club I have people people (thankfully very very few) moaning that they didnt get a letter, didnt get a phone call back, there face didnt fit etc etc. Rubbish! We are doing our best but its a club, if more helped instead of moaning every club in thic country would be 10 times better.
Now Im lucky, Aylesbury seems to attract some some bloody great people and for every 100 new members we get one bad apple that moans and whines and yet never offers anything back to the club
Now Im guessing Tim, your sick of complaints, people moaning and people having nothing really good or constructive to say about admin team except "wheres this gone", "why you done that" etc etc.
Dont loose heart mate. For every 100 great people , you get 1 idiot and its that idiot that makes you loose faith in the it all. Been there many times!
The admin team in my opinion do a fantastic job and make MC one of the best clubs in the UK
To be fair, some didnt know of the missing thread issue, I came of MC for a couple of weeks due to moving and one of mine went and I was totally unaware of the issue even though it was a sticky thread in the bar! We can all be blind sometimes!!!
Bear with the pratts, tolerate the people not in the know (me for a start) and look at the great club youve been a part of creating. Its those who count and those who appreciate you mate, and believe me, theres not shortage of them :wink:
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I would like to add my appreciation and support to the work done by Tim ,Darren and everyone else who moderates on this forum,
I wish I could help more but dont know how I could help. This being only the second Forum I have had the pleasure of using.
So just lay off the guys that bring this forum to life.
Thanks again the everyone who helps keep thing running.
I will be donating to the club funds and would hope others follow.
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Come on 149 people have read this post,
please show some support or I fear the plug could be pulled on a very friendy and helpful Forum.
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I think Ash and Colin speak for most of us.
Well done, Admin team, please keep up good work =D>
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Come on 149 people have read this post,
please show some support or I fear the plug could be pulled on a very friendy and helpful Forum.
Don't know what the problem is, so can't really give an opinion on the matter.
That said Ash i know you i think, you run the membership or somin for ALFC ?
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Don't know what the problem is, so can't really give an opinion on the matter.
Some threads go missing because of a known bug in the system.
Last night it was alleged that the threads were deliberately deleted because they did not conform to a 'rule'.
This understandably led to the post at the top.
Keep up the good work. =D>
Fun, Friendly and Free.
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As I've said all along, if you want to have a go at the good work the Admin people are doing, then DONT! Offer your help!
If you cant offer your help then appreciate the work thats involved.
Now I personally dont know any of you, or the Admin people, but what if they decided to come home from work, sit on their arses and do nothing.
We'd have abusive and inappropriate postings on the site, but as many of you will probably be aware, within a few minutes of these happening, those 'wrong', normally guset postings, disappear.
I also run a club so appreciate how much of your own time and effort is put into runnig a club behind the scenes and you certainly do get taken for granted alot.
Some of the members of the club I run give the opinion that the newsletters must write themselves and how dare they be a week late!!
It takes a hell of alot of time devoted to things like this and I think we should be patient and appreciate what the admin do. Just think, it may feel like a little 'joke' when you post it but due to the frustration of being unable to locate the problem, I'm sure you can understand how ANNOYING those 'jokes' can become!
So if all of you on here want, what I think is the best forum around, to continue, please be patient and enjoy it, thank you.
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Tim, in all honesty, if someone wants to have a go at any of you, Stuff them!!
You are all doing a grand job, and as for those who are not able to appreciate it, they ought to pull their fingers out and at the very least, offer to lend a helping hand.
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I agree i think this is a great site. and there are loads of great people on it that are more than willing to put themselfs out to help others like me who know very little ...
keep up the good work :D
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Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Mud Club is tops! Fantastic forum with a huge amount of resources behind it that give it that special buzz.
Well done to the admins for keeping it together and a big thankyou to all members for making it what it is.
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The site and admin are BRILLIANT.
(http://www.gillweb.com/brilliantheader.jpg)
Gripped! Sorted. Now Let's Off-road.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/characters/images/offroaders2.jpg)
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IHMO, the admin on here do a proper job. I've done admin on another phpBB2 site that has about 2000 members and it is always the (very) few who muck it up for the majority. Its an onerous task and unpaid which can take a disproprtionate amount of time to do .... even to the extent of trying to resolve disputes in the wee small hours, knowing you have to get up early next day. the disputes have to be resolved so you have to just get on with it without regard to yourself or connections.
Top job chaps, and if you have issues with the phpBB stuff, I'm always willing to assist if possible.
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i have no complaints about this site it runs very well and thats because of the admin crew and all of the true posters long may it continue this way
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i concur that this person need's to get a life. :-#
the team who run this club and organise the event's i thank you again for making it such a great place to be and a club i'm proud to be part of it.
to the rest of you may we have a great season of show's bar b ques and mirth.
and remember what this club is about FUN FREINDLY & FREE
Dazza :(biggrin):
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Yep, only posting to add my support to the Admins. They keep the BEST Club running at no real benefit to themselves. Top job Lads.
You have much more patience than me! Lets get the FUN back
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Sorry to hear of your frustration Tim - you will see from my number of posts that I in frequently post on this forum but I do get a lot of fun from reading others
I have also read some of the recent posts that will undoubtable be the cause of your ire
People forget all to easliy what "voluntary" actually means
please do not be disheartend (sp) by the thoughtlessness of the few
regards
Chris
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tim and all the moderators and admin team
You all do a excelent job.
I've been with MC now just under a year and I've looked at other forums and can safley say that MC from my experiance is the best no question about it.
You yourselves know that there are very very few people on MC that would intentionaly go out of there way to wind people up.
Most of whats said in forums etc is the kind of conversation you could expect in the pub over a couple of pints.
That said however you have made a valid point.
If I where in your place some of the remarks made in the last few weeks etc would have got me wound up.
But when it comes to a free an open forum for us all to ask,for help,discuss our views,and have a natter then mud club can not be beaten.
Its a credit to the original creators and the modorators and admin team that mud club has stuck to its original values and long may it continue to do so.
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I haven't seen the new thread that has caused this (yet) but I know that it will be another to add to the list of all the other recent "where has my thread gone" posts.
I think everyone has already said most of what I would have wanted to add as support for the admin/web teams, but I'll just add this:
Yesterday we had a run round North Notts, organanised thorugh the pub meet and arranged on the Greenlaning forum. We had some realatively newbies came with us, they had a great day out (as we all did) and are really happy to be part of the club. What would they have done yesterday WITHOUT the Mud-Club...... watched a few repeats on TV, gone to the shops?
The Mud-Club (especially the forums) have provided a real community for many of us, it gets us together, and it keeps us together.
There may be many members, but the club is RUN by a small team, and (to that team) if there is anything I (and I'm sure I won't be the only one offering!) can do to help - be it time, services, or financially, please please please let me/us know!
To any moaners out there, firstly get a life, then consider you actions, you aren't having a little dig at a big corporation, you are personally insulting a few people, and these people can turn this great website into a "website not found" message...... THINK BEFORE YOU POST!
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It's very hard to add anything new to the compliments that have been added here.
All I can say Is keep up the good work it's very appreciated.
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I agree i think this is a great site. and there are loads of great people on it that are more than willing to put themselfs out to help others like me who know very little ...
keep up the good work :D
DITTO
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I think it's all been said above but I would just like to add my support to the whole team for making this a great forum. Your work is very much appreciated.
Many thanks
Dave
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I agree, I really apreciate how much work you guys put in for the likes of us, I really do love this club i talk about it all the time and am constantly trying to get new people to come and join the fun, my latest recruits are my dad and brother! Keep up the good work guys we really appreciate it
Regards James
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Yes, Mud club has found me a few off roading friends. If certain people are going to ruin the friendly atmosphere for others, then maybe some warnings ought to be issued and if that has no effect then they should be out on their ear - it's a club after all, not a free for all.
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Tim I have know for a number of years and his integrity is beyond doubt. I wouldn't call him friend otherwise. As to the rest of the admin team, some I have met, some not, but they all do a good job and have my full support. Perhaps the person/persons responcible for provoking them, intentional or not, may have the could manners to oppologise, please.
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Got to agree, one heckof a place.
Tim, Darren & co do it all voluntarily, so I think it's only fair that Tim can say what is annoying him.
Sure we all have a little grumble very now & then, but to suggest that post removal is practiced as a routine is far from the done thing.
I'll admit I grumbled about a long running thread of mine going AWOl, but 'Hey!', it happens.
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I'll admit I grumbled about a long running thread of mine going AWOl, but 'Hey!', it happens.
Don't worry too much.... as we said a while ago.. all the missing posts still exist... so we can get them back. We just need to fix the fault before we can get them back to stay
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Just posting to add my support!!
A great forum well run.
Keep up the good work fellas as its much appreciated by me and by the vast majority of Mud Clubbers I'm sure.
Cheers
Jeff
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I fully support and hugely appreciate the work put in by everyone on the Mud Club.
The "missing thread" thing is a known issue and has been discussed to death!! There can't be any regular members that don't know about it.
Any member that's been here for more than a very short time should know that deleting of posts - except in very valid circumstances - would not happen.
So, come on everyone, show your appreciation for the continuing hard work done and bear with them until the problem is solved!!
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:D all i can say is thanks to all admin fantastic site :D just ask yourselfs this question .mud-clubbers where else would you get free friendley advice on your favorite toy ..its friendley helpfull funny frustrating ..its got the lot and its totally free and alot of the advice given is by fellow mud-clubbers who are generally nice people who would make time for others :D nuff said
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ditto everything said above.
It was a shame the original thread disappeared but poo happens as they say. At no point did I suspect censorship as the main point of it (to me) was 'highjacking' a thread that was started to draw attention to something that had gone missing on the forum and having a laugh.
If I posted anything (or did anything) on that thread that annoyed Tim/Daz/Neil then I send them my sincerist appologies. All was done in jest and aimed at other forum members NOT the admin team. I can express nothing but respect for the hardwork that the admin team perform.
I understand there were another couple of threads after this one. I cant comment on them or the contents of them as I never saw them.
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As already said before me.
Great work by the admin and mods.
I'm starting to understand how much of their lives this great site site takes up and all for free.
Personnally, I cant wait for when all the missing posts return.
That'll silence a few.
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i don't know anyone personnely on this forum but as far as i am concerned it is the best going ,thanks to the crew who put a a lot of time and effort in for us to skive off work for a little break every day to make our lives so much better
once again thankyou and keep up the the good work :D
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well i just saw a thread disapear before my eyes(funny recovery)
as frustrating as it may seem to us users.
i guess its driving the admin team insane.dont envy you guys but do appreciate what you are doing.
thanks and good luck
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well i just saw a thread disapear before my eyes(funny recovery)
That one didn't vanish, I removed it due to bad language. :wink:
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oppsy, just reposted it in the jokes and funnies section, have removed it now!! sorry :oops:
Cheers for being so quick, there, a perfect example of a moderator on his toes,
keep up the good work my son. (didnt have my speakers turned on!!)
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oppsy, just reposted it in the jokes and funnies section, have removed it now!! sorry :oops:
Cheers for being so quick, there, a perfect example of a moderator on his toes,
keep up the good work my son. (didnt have my speakers turned on!!)
could u send me it in a pm Jiffyman please??
soz to go oftopic
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PM sent, back to topic.
Having a thought on how to assist with the mods efforts.
Whos seen the paypal button at the bottom of the screen, just a thought!! :wink:
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Tim and the admin team
Your efforts are much appreciated - it's great to be able to be a part of Mud-Club despite being half a world away from all of you doing the hard work.
And to those of you doing the moaning - if you're not happy go elsewhere, but I doubt you'll find anything as good as the forums here, or a team of admins who are willing to dedicate as much of their time to what is effectively a labour of love.
Cheers
Mike
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Just wanna add my appreciation for those whom donate their own time and sanity to run this forum.
Unfortunatly on most of the forums I frequent, there often are people whom just wanna stir the brown stuff for their own sad and sordid little pleasures.
You wanna be abusive, go to ORRP and then take as good as you give, otherwise, shut the (insert appropriate word of you choice here) up and (insert additional word here) off!!!!!
Lee
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HI,
Just reading thru the comments, again i want to add my thanks to those who keep the club on line (a dark art to me), i think they do a brilliant job -as for those missing posts, i attribute it to the same things that steal those phone calls i put on hold whilst i attempt to transfer them to other people at work!!!!!
i have met some great people thru mudclub and back tim's comments about the trip at the weekend, we had a grand day out!!! all mudclubbers together!!
please keep up the good work - it is much appreciated by many
regards
ela
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Guys - your all forgetting the very thing that makes MC what it is . . . . and it's not all about the admins . . . . it's all you guys.
Big up for all the majority who make it such a nice place to be and a big THANKS to the admin who do their best tto filter out all the rubbish and wind ups. (Probably a couple of mine included there :lol: )
Keep it coming fellas, best site around in my opinion.
:D
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I don't know what the problem posts were specifically, but if it relates to the vanishing threads issue it is fair to say that people don't read all the posts.... even sticky ones. This is why the same questions keep appearing. At work, we get occasional complaints about things and when we point out that we advise in the instructions for the product or on the invoice, they are rather sheepish..... how does it go - 'If at first you don't succeed, read the instructions'!
What I am trying to say (in an appalingly round the houses way!) is that the repeated posts are not a personal dig necessarily, but caused by people not reading the 'instructions'. However, I appreciate that it can leave a bad feeling for those who put in all the effort.
I have only ever had the vanishing post thing once and I immediately PM'd the original poster to respond to his question. Unfortunately, he had just posted a 'where's it gone?' post before I could explain the issue :(
As echoed all through this thread, I fully appreciate the huge efforts put in by the 'A Team' and I only hope I can do a fraction of what they do as part of the 'B team'. :D
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OK it's not very often I post on here but I feel I would like to add my bit.
Being Married to Tim (muddyweb) I know how much time he put's into this site/club not a day go's by when he isn't doing something to the site that includ's Christmas day, Boxing day, New years day, My birthday, His Birthday I mean EVERY DAY and I'm sure the other members of the admin team are the same, So if something is'nt quit right or a thread goes missing these no need to have a dig at them, I mean what ever happend to asking politly. at the end of the day this is supposed to be FUN and FRENDLY
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=D> =D> =D> You know you are loved. :wink:
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What I am trying to say (in an appalingly round the houses way!) is that the repeated posts are not a personal dig necessarily, but caused by people not reading the 'instructions'.
Ah, but Steve... in this particular case.. and the last straw for me is that these *were* personal digs that called into question my honesty, integrity and commitment to the club.. and I'm not going to sit around when that happens.
The sticky posts and announcements are there for a reason, and people not reading them is incredibly frustrating at times... but we deal with that.. we have been dealing with it since the club started. But when it gets openly personal, and baseless accusations are made both in a public forum and in PMs to club members... it's another story.
Thanks to all the people who have taken the time to send PMs to the admin team and posted here. Your ongoing support and commitment to the club is key to keeping it positive and healthy.
In response to the people who have asked what they can do to help... the answer is (as always) a nice simple one... contribute to the club in a positive way.. be that via the forum, at regional meets, at events, etc. If everyone does this, we will continue to have what I (genuinely) believe is one of the best clubs around.
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=D> =D> =D> =D>
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these *were* personal digs that called into question my honest, integrity and commitment to the club.. and I'm not going to sit around when that happens.
I don't think I've seen any posts with personal digs in them?
Has it been deleted, or has the culprit had the sense to remove it themselves?
I/we know you have a HUGE commitment to the club, it can be seen in the changes, improvements, moderation etc and is backed up by the post a couple up by Mrs Muddy*
Hopefully you can see by all these responses you have a large loyal following, please try to ignore these low life exeptions to the rule.
Yours, happy and contented from Up North :D
*Mrs Muddy by the way is your wife Joanne, and it would seem you are not seeing enough of her, if I came on Mud-Club on SWMBO's birthday, my next post would be inviting you all to my funeral :lol:
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What I am trying to say (in an appalingly round the houses way!) is that the repeated posts are not a personal dig necessarily, but caused by people not reading the 'instructions'.
Ah, but Steve... in this particular case.. and the last straw for me is that these *were* personal digs that called into question my honesty, integrity and commitment to the club.. and I'm not going to sit around when that happens.
Ah, well, in that case I whole heartedly back you up in your comments. As I said, I wasn't aware of the posts you referred to and, being a believer in good human nature, I was hoping it was just an error on the part of the person placing the OP. It is a shame that, in all walks of life, there are always a few who spoil it for the majority.
Keep up the excellent work, Tim. You and the rest of the team are greatly appreciated by the vast majority of MC as this thread testifies.
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I don't think I've seen any posts with personal digs in them?
Has it been deleted, or has the culprit had the sense to remove it themselves?
In a horribly ironic set of circumstances (there you are Gords... I found a good example ;-)) the thread in question got eaten by the same fault... it seems to be worst on threads which are very active... and as you can imagine.. that one was !
Hopefully you can see by all these responses you have a large loyal following, please try to ignore these low life exeptions to the rule.
It's hard to say this without sounding insincere, but it has to be said. Messages like this are always gratifying, but I need to make it absolutely clear... I cannot accept any such praise for myself... I am only one of a group of people who puts a lot of effort into keeping the thing together, and it would be wrong of me to allow anyone to get any other impression.
We all owe our thanks to the team of people responsible for "running" the club... and that group of people owes thanks to the "normal" (and I use the word cautiously) members who contribute in their own ways.
There is some terribly cliche'd saying about bad circumstances bringing out the best in people... and it always seems to be true of Mud-Club. I hope we can take this opportunity to realise what we all have, and look after it as we take it forward to greater things.
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Aw no, you can't stop doing this truly excellent site - I've only just got here and I'm enjoying myself soooooooo much.
Nobody apart from yourselves appreciate what you do but everybody here likes what you do or they'd not be here.
The time to worry is when no-one complains because they've all gone elsewhere as the content was pants.
Treat it as constructive criticism guys, after all you can choose how you want to react to your emotions... aint no-one as can do that for you.
If you need help, just shout up - I'm especially knowledgeable about GPS stuff (allegedly, maybe and perhaps) so I'll hang around that forum and see if can put something useful in. :wink: I "own" a GPS forum and contribute to two more so I know the work you guys are doing and I know the abuse that gets hurled at you. Surprisingly, these same people are ALWAYS the ones to NEVER actually help in any way.
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Treat it as constructive criticism guys, after all you can choose how you want to react to your emotions... aint no-one as can do that for you.
I know what you are getting at, but this was neither constructive or critical.. it was an outright accusation which was false, which is why I responded the way I did.... I chose to respond that way because I don't believe that anyone should have to stand by and take it.
Time to move on....
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Treat it as constructive criticism guys, after all you can choose how you want to react to your emotions... aint no-one as can do that for you.
I know what you are getting at, but this was neither constructive or critical.. it was an outright accusation which was false, which is why I responded the way I did.... I chose to respond that way because I don't believe that anyone should have to stand by and take it.
Time to move on....
And you probably are right, Tim, but at the end of the day, 99% of the people in this forums will know how to read into things, and probably almost all of those 99% will not argue your position, so why bother with the other 1%?
You can't please everybody, and you normally end up leaking off everyone if you try, so as I said before, if they are not happy, sod them. They can go and try other clubs/forums/clans, and see if they take their antics in the same civilized manner I have always seen the mods and admins in this forums behave.
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In the time that I posted a message this evening then clicked on it to make sure it was there ok it had recieved SIX hits!!! Think that says it all really!!!
This a extremely popular forum and deservedly so! I hope all the key people involved are able to step back every now and again, see how they have brought people together, hatched friendships that may last a lifetime, helped many with an interest that gives them the excuse to see more of the countryside and world, saved people money that has enabled more cars to stay 'alive' longer, and confirmed to those like me that I'm not mad in wanting a vehicle built to get me around in all weathers, that isn't half made of plastic, and has the added advantage of maybe being able to help a fellow man in distress.
Personally I solely use this forum, no others! That is for the reasons already stated by those above, who constantly prove themselves to be a great bunch of down to earth people, who are either full of enthusiasm like me, butalso those who can often act like gruppy old men (also like me).
If any of us can help take some pressure off every now and again, let us know, would keep us off ebay for a bit!!! In the meantime, THANK YOU, GREAT STUFF!!!
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If any of us can help take some pressure off every now and again, let us know, would keep us off ebay for a bit!!! In the meantime, THANK YOU, GREAT STUFF!!!
This forum keeps me off eBay for more than a bit!! :wink: :oops: :wink:
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I thank, and sympathis with the all the hard work that goes into running this site. I ran a very small one for a club once and it was unbelievable the hassle I got, for example:
I gained my very own stalker - this guy would repeatedly phone me up at 11pm or 7am to complain about something, for example how he could not use the site from the computers in public library, and demand that I have it fixed for 9am the next morning!
We ran a status page on various systems, it was reliant on volunteers who looked after systems to mail in the status. Due to their own time commitments, this was on a "when it can be done" basis, oh the compaints I got because I could not read peoples minds.
I had to constantly spend my time deleting bad language, offensive material, potentially libeleous posts (cos it's the web manager that gets sued!) and wading through 100 emails a day of spam.
And then there was the drawback that the source code for the board was public domain so the deficiencies and holes could easily be seen and exploited by what I can only describe as vandals.
In the 12 months I did it, not ONCE did I get an email saying thanks.
So guys, THANKS, and to show how much I really care, I've just been to paypal and shown my THANKS with real hard currancy. I know this does not compensate for the hours lost patching code and having to put up with the misery of moaners, but hopefully it will contribute to the bandwidth costs.
Pete.
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i missed the key thread that caused this, but what i certainly havn't overlooked is the fantastic effort put in by Tim and the admin team.
Thanks to MC i've met some crackin' folk from a broad range of backgrounds and continue to seek advise and guidence on all things 4x4 related.
my sincere thanks to all those involved in keeping MC running the way it does.
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i missed the key thread that caused this, but what i certainly havn't overlooked is the fantastic effort put in by Tim and the admin team.
Thanks to MC i've met some crackin' folk from a broad range of backgrounds and continue to seek advise and guidence on all things 4x4 related.
my sincere thanks to all those involved in keeping MC running the way it does.
ditto
keep up the good work chaps, this is probably the BEST forum in the world, ever!
Steve
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probably the BEST forum in the world, ever!
Mmm, another sticker idea :idea: :?: :wink:
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late reply, just seen it...
alot of time and free dedication is given by the admin team, and well done for that.
haven't seen the threads or the ones gone missing so i cant comment too much, why do people go strait to the top of the chain and give grief to the admin team????? there are moderators who give just as much effort to the site how about sending a POLITE PM MESSAGE to ask them if they removed it first.( sorry guy's :wink: ) yes there may be a bug in the works, these things happen so get over it! worse thing happen.
there are alot of people, not just admin/mods etc who do give alot of free time to help, assist in different ways....some people like to sit back and just read, ok fair play....but how many of you dont contribute, help and just moan at the guys who realy make a difference?, not just for the reasons in this thread.
this isnt a dig at nobody, hey i'm not perfect myself!!!
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I run youngcaravan which is a club for young people between 18-35 years old with a caravan and we have had trouble recently with people mucking about.
We have just lost quiet a few members due to 2 or 3 individuals which is a shame as there are only about 5 of us posting on the site now as we were up to about 10. It has been running for less than a year and every member is important to us as I am sure it is to Mc as well.
I love Mc and I have had some fantastic help and made some good friends through here. If it went I would be lost for people to go laning with for a start!!!
Keep up the fantastic work MC mods and the idiots bog off if your the same ones who nearly ruined my site!