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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: denviks on February 18, 2006, 12:12:08

Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: denviks on February 18, 2006, 12:12:08: after reading the land rover owners mag i read abit in the back that said 200 tdi owners should check this pipe. the pipe is to do with the braking system and if it is split can lead to sudden brake loss :shock:

this is the pipe union to check

(http://photos.imageevent.com/denviks/disco3/websize/P1010033%20_Small_.JPG)

this is what i found :shock:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/denviks/disco3/websize/P1010034%20_Small_.JPG)

time to get them checked guys n girls...... i couldnt believe what i found on mine. and i did loose my brakes while up in the highlands last year. i put it down to brake fade in a big way as it was so sudden but now i think i know why they failed.

just cut the end of the pipe and rejoin...

(http://photos.imageevent.com/denviks/disco3/websize/P1010035%20_Small_.JPG)
Title: 200 WARNING
Post by: andyhubbard on February 18, 2006, 12:16:42: Thanks for that Dennis-OK hands up if you guess what i'm about to do?
It's not fair you got it right-i hope.
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: colintandy on February 18, 2006, 13:46:48: :D i came across that problem on my disco about 2 years ago only noticed it when i went to change fuel fillter :shock:
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: hobbit on February 18, 2006, 18:21:40: Two ways here, that small pipe goes into the heater unit in the body, for a temp repair block off the small pipe to the servo, and you will be ok, as it can effect your servo braking, mine did this for a while took some figuring out what the pipe was and where it went

Or get another piece of pipe to extend the original one to reach the join

If your brake pedal ever does go hard, this is usually the problem, the pipe is rubber and perishes
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: petergalileo on February 18, 2006, 19:51:20: Does that also apply to the V8 ? I dont recall seeing that pipe on mine ?
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: fish on February 18, 2006, 21:36:17: Thanks for the warning, head under thte bonnet tomorrow
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: muddymart on February 18, 2006, 21:48:04: I loose brake assistance when reversing, (ok when in forward motion0 is this common? i'd better check that pipe.

The pipe wasnt even connected to the 't' after replacing it, i had brakes all round even when reversing
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: petergalileo on February 18, 2006, 21:52:16: Thats more likely to be bad rear brakes, I had a similar thing on mine, turned out that the shoes wernt actuating.
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: Wanderer on February 18, 2006, 22:34:25: Shoes :?:
;)
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: petergalileo on February 18, 2006, 23:22:20: Yes, ok this is only the second motor I have owned with rear brake discs.
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: Range Rover Blues on February 19, 2006, 00:42:51: Quote from: "petergalileo"
Does that also apply to the V8 ? I dont recall seeing that pipe on mine ?

I don't think so as the vacuum is provided by the engine on a V8. It's worth checkiong all the vac hoses once in a while anyway, they should be checked at the service :roll:
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: hobbit on February 19, 2006, 10:48:45: Quote from: "Range Rover Blues"
Quote from: "petergalileo"
Does that also apply to the V8 ? I dont recall seeing that pipe on mine ?

I don't think so as the vacuum is provided by the engine on a V8. It's worth checkiong all the vac hoses once in a while anyway, they should be checked at the service :roll:

If somebody does have probs with lack of servo, normally a broken pipe with make a lovely whistle or sucking noise, but if the side wall of the pipe is weak, it may just suck itself in, so if you do loose braking sometime and cant see anything obvious, servo pipe should have strong walls and is specific pipe for the job, I have seen normal heating pipe in replacement for this and is not advised.
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: old joe on February 19, 2006, 20:47:33: mine split last year i just pulled into TEC to check on something and it happened mentioned it to one of the mechanics on site and found it straight away.

BT mechanics are good you know.

Dazza :D
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: waveydavey on February 20, 2006, 02:47:34: Reality check:
Yes this is a problem but you don't "Loose all your brakes" You loose servo assistance, if you get that shove really hard on the pedal and you will stop.

The problem can come on any engine, the Diesel has a vacumn pump the V8 uses the manifold vacumn but both have to pipe that vacumn to the servo.

The easy way to check the servo assistance is to sit in the car with it stopped and pump the brakes till they are hard, start the engine and you should feel the pedal go down, if you get that you have at least some assistance.

Main point if it ever fails stand on the brakes, all the critical bits will still work.
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: grizz on February 21, 2006, 02:21:49: the T looks similar to the cruise control one on the v8, I lost cruise control an found the pipe split
Title: WARNING DISCOVERY 200 OWNERS
Post by: datalas on February 21, 2006, 10:21:21: Quote from: "waveydavey"
Reality check:
Yes this is a problem but you don't "Loose all your brakes" You loose servo assistance, if you get that shove really hard on the pedal and you will stop.
.

What you're saying is of course true, however, just for a giggle, disconnect it and try :) No matter how hard you stand on the brakes there's sweet FA braking ability of a disco sans servo... It takes on the stopping distance of the QE2, as people on a roundabout near nelly will testify :)