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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Hector on February 18, 2006, 21:12:18
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"Off-roaders driven along Britain's ancient byways makes me see red. They help to destroy the peace of our countryside, and in some of the most ecologically delicate areas, paths have been turned into mud baths. Off-roaders may argue that they only use a small percentage of tracks and that walker should live and let live, but the wild bits of Britain should be spared the infernal combustion engine - if the off roaders want to enjoy the countryside they should walk, .............
This is an excerpt from a full page anti 4x4 rant by David Bellamy in the Camping and Caravanning club magazine.
Letters to
The Editor
Camping and Caravanning
Greenfields House
Westwood Way
Coventry
CV4 8JH
forum@campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk
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Aint that old f@rt dead yet. We can hope. I will send a Email of complaint tomoz when i am more reasonable.
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All those who perambulate should also be banned from all areas of wild land Esp the national parks and area's of downland. The use by foot over such areas also causes high amounts of erosion, and looking at the likes of ben nevis, scafel pike, and many over honey pot tourist sites shows just how eroded the nations paths are.
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im in the camping and caravan club think i,ll right a letter to them which issue is it in
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Is that buffoon still at it.
I resigned from the C and CC due to them giving him a platform in their mags a few years ago especially because he was alienating half of the caravanning fraternity that use 4x4 vehicles.
He's a joke. We have some lanes in Notts that have SSI (Sites of Scientific Interest) next to the lane. One goes through the site. 4x4's don't stop there but many a walker can be seen picking the flowers.
Idiots. Great big signs saying PLEASE DO NOT WALK IN THIS AREA OR PICK THE FLOWERS.
Amazing.
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He is Britain's most prominent campaigner against the construction of wind farms in undeveloped areas.
He is one of the most well-known people in the UK to reject global warming especially a sustained increase that causes climatic changes. In 2004, he wrote an article in the Daily Mail in which he described the theory of man-made global warming as "poppycock".
David Bellamy's inaccurate and selective figures on glacier shrinkage are a boon to climate change deniers (Guardian)
He doesn`t know what he wants...time to retire
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Caravan Club magazine,my has he come a long way since 'compost corner' on Tiswas. :)
Kev
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We'll you can blame the bloke for having an opinion but the editor wants to remind himself who pays his/her wages.
Eeejitts :lol:
I often see lesser cars towing caravans which are unsafe, to ailienate 4x4's is a big mistake.
Who's up for the "4x4 Expeditioners Camping and Caravan Club" :lol:
Lee
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letter sent ,met him a couple of times and he should know better, he has travelled miles in 4x4 s to do his programmes, earning money from them.
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Have emailed the magazine cos am sure what he is promoting and saying is a breach of the DDA (disability discrimination act) as he is trying to say the only way is to walk.
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well what a puffed up old cock! lol
is it not a fact that much of the problems in sucj areas are that your typical rambler will walk allong a pre-designated route until he/she comes across a puddle! then walk around it.. leaving his butty rappers, tissues etc in the heather at the side.. a few more do the same.. quite soon there is a large area of rocky unfertile, and generally ruined land where the more humble footpath used to run....
as for 4x4s, do we form a mass divertion to avoid a small muddy hole..u know the answer! although yes, sometimes it can end up been upassable, its this poin that responsible people would report it, even offer to help out, although some would attempt to go round it.
"every action has an equal and opposite reaction" - how true, for soeone to take pleasure means someone else will loose out, but if everyone is considerate and responible and respects each others needs, we can all enjoy whats left of the best side of our country!
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In 2004, he wrote an article in the Daily Mail in which he described the theory of man-made global warming as "poppycock".
Well at least he and I agree on something :P
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:idea: we should all write to the editor
this is what i have just sent
Dear editor
We have always enjoyed the country side and have been camping for many years in tents,caravans and motorhomes.
We also use green lanes in 4x4s which we help to keep clear from becoming over grown and open to all by removing dumped vehicles and rubbish ect.
Now my wife has become disabled and cannot walk more than a few steps at best on the flat never mind on rough ground and still wishes to see the country side so we use a landrover for green laning and towing a caravan
Which we can and do use bi-diesel which is very eco friendly
So why do the press persecute the 4x4 owners when the travel industry ie air craft and shipping use ten times the amount of fuel and create more greenhouse gasses than all the 4x4 put together but the press dont tell people to stop flying and holiday at home
magazine@campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk
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Have emailed the magazine cos am sure what he is promoting and saying is a breach of the DDA (disability discrimination act) as he is trying to say the only way is to walk.
Agreed he should try pushing a 20 stone person in a wheelchair up a footpath, that would finish him off
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In a word "[ed: naughty]" whats next on his witchhunt of briton :roll:
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Email sent this morning.
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e-mail sent and asked for C&CC membership to be cancelled!
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In a word "[ed: naughty]" whats next on his witchhunt of briton :roll:
Haven't decided yet .... whacha got?
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Rant had....................time for a cup of tea......... 8) 8)
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e-mail sent and asked for C&CC membership to be cancelled!
I have done the same..............I wasen't going to renew anyway :lol:
Darren
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Mine runs out in a week, Neither was I but it sounds good!
:P
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We are in the C &C club, feel a letter to the mag coming on, wil probably be loads judging by the reaction on here, will ;oint out that our outfit is safer than a lot of normal cars towing caravans and that our Frontera is less polluting than some big Jags, Mercs etc!!
Won't mention the rangie!!
The bloke is full of recyclable bovine fertiliser!!! :(bigangry):
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Reply from C&cc club this morning
Good morning Mr Parkes.
Thank you for your recent communication. I can confirm that I have cancelled your Membership with immediate effect and request that you return the Membership Cards to us at the below address. I will send you a letter via mail confirming this today.
I have passed your comments regarding Mr David Bellamy to our Publications Department.
Have a lovely day.
Regards
Debbie Taggart
Membership Department
The Camping and Caravanning Club
Greenfields House
Westwood Way
Coventry
CV4 8JH
Tel: 02476 475 442
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I put a post on Landrover net similar to the first one in this thread!! Might as well spread the word! :evil:
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Hmmm,
And Mr. Bellamy has never ever been in a 4x4 in his entire life? Somehow, given his field of work, I find that hard to believe.
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A case of "don't do as I do, do as I say???"
Grrrr :(bigangry):
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Did any body notice in the c and c c magazine that on page before his ranting that the same club have joined up with (start caravanning is this years run in association with land rover and the national caravan council). It is nice to see a balanced viewpoint being over but this does slap you in the face as the dreaded double standards. How can they recommend them on one page and vilify then on the next? You do not think that the c and cc national caravan council might have been given a big discount or maybe a free vehicle to run the promotion. It would be interesting to no what land rover think of them after his ranting.
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I know its been a while since thread was used but just had a great email. I, just like most people on here, sent an email to the magazine venting my fury about the attack on 4x4's etc.......
Well this morning i got a letter from them, they are printing my letter in the April issue of "Forum" and for me troubles they are sending me a nice Regatta fleece!
Of course not being a member of the club i wont recieve a copy of the magazine so if a member has a copy they really dont want please could i have it! I dont remember much of what i wrote cos i reply to most of these anti 4x4 slurs in most magazines and newspapers!
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Forgot to say, its not the_wkdone here, its Disco200TDiDan formerly on this thread 90HTDT!! lol
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Hello there, well done on being published, Hope you enjoy the fleece!
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Well this morning i got a letter from them, they are printing my letter in the April issue of "Forum" and for me troubles they are sending me a nice Regatta fleece!
You realise of course that it's going to be knitted out of mr Bellamy's beard hair
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Haha drutt, at least it will be warm and niceeeeee
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In 2004, he wrote an article in the Daily Mail in which he described the theory of man-made global warming as "poppycock".
Well at least he and I agree on something :P
And me, I saw them programmes on discovery channel that said its gonna happen anyway regardless of what man does.
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they are publishing mine too and i get a fleece too
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Late again, but I decided that another email after all this time would maybe point out that a lot of people were really peeeeeeeeeed off with that article :lol:
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Just to let you know I got two responses from C & CC, both are pretty standard, but at least they acknowledged it, and then wrote a reply.
(I've included my letter for you to see what they were responding to).
Dear Editor
I am writing to voice my concern over the article by David Bellamy published in your magazine.
I would like to quote from the article the particular piece that made ME see red "if the off roaders want to enjoy the countryside they should walk, ....".
1. In order to 'reach' the countryside, most 'walkers' drive their cars, often hundreds of miles.
2, I was brought up in a farming community and I still have a number of friends 'in the business'. I have seen and heard of plenty of totally inappropriate behaviour by 'walkers', littering and allowing their dogs to run wild with no concern for wildlife or farmstock, abusing farmers and landholders.
3. So called 'Green Lanes' ARE roads, just untarmaced. If you are driving a green lane you need to have a current driving licence, insurance, road fund licence and the vehicle must carry a registration mark - which allows them to be traced by the police. Rather more than walkers, cyclists or horseriders have to have.
4. True 'off-roading' at regulated/insured sites (which incidentally require planning permission) provides many farmers with income from land which would be at best marginal, perhaps land previously used as a landfill site, naturally boggy, hilly or even wooded. Most of these sites provide valuable habitat, because they are not being drained, bulldozed or cleared. I would not have been able to point out the variety of wildlife to my young son that I have been able to if this was not the case.
Finally, has Mr Bellamy considered the fate of the disabled amongst us? Or is the countryside an exclusive zone for the use of the able bodied?
In my honest opinion, inappropriate and illegal behaviour, is inappropriate and illegal behaviour, done on two legs, four or four wheels.
I believe that the bad behaviour of a few shouldn't mean that all walking is banned, the same can be said of driving 4x4's.
Yours sincerely, (etc, etc)
<Jo.Saint@campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk> to me
08:50 (1 hour ago)
Dear Karen,
Thanks very much for your feedback regarding David Bellamy's piece on 4x4s.
I hope you don't mind me responding on his behalf.
We have had a number of letters regarding his article. Some agreeing with his points. Others disagreeing. Most adding pertinent points to further the debate.
We did indeed ask him to consider this as a topic for his Mr President column. However, the key theme of his piece was the responsible use of these vehicles. He' certainly against illegal off-roading, but accepts that for many people a 4x4 is the ideal vehicle.
There will always be debate over 4x4s, and I look forward to featuring members' comments on the issue over the coming months.
Meanwhile, thanks again for taking the time to contact us and giving useful feedback.
Nick Harding
Editor of Publications
The Camping and Caravanning Club
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I watched that Global Dimming program last night, really put a new spin on things
btw that was aimed at tonycougar
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Don`t think I`ve seen that specific one but there are several floating around the documentary channels. All with the same spin, ie its gonna get hotter (because the world is on a 4 or 5 thousand year cycle) and then its gonna get colder, much colder, ie ice age and there is nothing we can do to stop it, and its NOT caused by CO2 emmisions only. There were`nt any cars around 5 thousand years ago and it still happened.
Thats when we will all need our 4x4s :D :D
PS I`m not sure whether it is 4 thousand years or what exactly (probably more like 10 thousand), but the point is its a long cycle that goes back to the last ice age!!!
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there are also 'mini ice ages'. I seem to remember reading of one in the 15th century that caused massive famine as crops failed.
I did have a big rant planned about scientists makeing sure they get their next research budget but cant be asked. The greenies wouldnt listen anyway. (BP=before present btw)
(http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image160.gif)
Heres the link for those who want to read another version
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
The playing with numbers bit about half way down is worth a read.
The article is very well referenced to academic sites by the way.
This quote sums up my thinking
"Scientists who want to attract attention to themselves, who want to attract great funding to themselves, have to (find a) way to scare the public . . . and this you can achieve only by making things bigger and more dangerous than they really are."
Petr Chylek
(Professor of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia)
“The goal of modern propaganda is no longer to transform opinion but to arouse an active and mythical beliefâ€Â
Jacques Ellul
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Yeah I was gonna mention that too but thought it was confusing enough :?
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So nobody has noticed that the picture couldn't have been taken on a public highway.
The car isn't registered.
Unless somebody sees something I've missed.
mike