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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: tenpolequint on March 28, 2006, 16:29:03
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I have not seen the article onlythe front cover of Landrover World and it has eight vhicles in convoy travelling along a well rutted track.
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Just what we need :roll:
Is it in the shops yet, or do you have a subscription (i.e. can I go and look)?
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This was in the shops.
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How much ammunition can the mags give these bloody anti's and get away with it? Its total madness!!
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Got the article here in front of me, they were on a pay and play site but i do see where your coming from, the anti's will claim they were churning up a kids play ground or an old pensioners dog walking field. :?
The title doesn't help, "riding with the mob".
as i said, they are actually perfectly legit but the anti's may well use it out context.
Oh well, nothing we can do about now
BTW, some good articles in the mag.
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Got the article here in front of me, they were on a pay and play site but i do see where your coming from, the anti's will claim they were churning up a kids play ground or an old pensioners dog walking field. :?
The title doesn't help, "riding with the mob".
as i said, they are actually perfectly legit but the anti's may well use it out context.
Oh well, nothing we can do about now
BTW, some good articles in the mag.
You see I thought it might be a legitamate site or a gross disregard of the GLASS codes of conduct. Guess which choice the antis would pick.
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I had the same reaction when I saw the mag but when I read it it all was made clear. How many of the anti's would bother to? Far easier to sit in judgement than furnish themselves with facts.
buzzerds!
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With the current anti 4x4 climate it may have been better to have a more discreet picture for the front cover, maybe I am just too cautious.
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here WE go again jumping to conclusions,nice to see that some people stop & read what its all about,if your gonna think like that then go & join the ANti's,its not doing us any favours,why be shocked to see 8 vehicles in a convoy?
the glass rules AFAIK are a sugestion to what we should do ,not the rules on what we HAVE to do,
personally id be surprised if the amount of vehicles in a convoy whilst out lanning didnt increas simply for the fact that bickering amoungst ourselfs are showing to the antis that we cant even come over on an agreed front,
whilst im here having this rant its nice to see that some people are having a moan about pictures being pulled etc over in the greenlane section,GROW UP,if you want to see something thats not dtrictly PC then pas it on VIA PM ,sheesh its not hard,
also be greatfull that this club is free,the amount of extras & other bits we get is more than some other forums & even then u have to pay for them,also to those who moan about nothing like "total post" or "rankings" if you dont like how its going either grow up or sit back & think WHY it has changed,
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How much ammunition can the mags give these bloody anti's and get away with it? Its total madness!!
Well if they are prepared to jump in without understanding all the facts like you then they will react to it!! :roll: :roll:
They'll look the idiots they are if they do though
I don't see that LRW have done anything wrong and think what some of you are advocating is simply ridiculous!
Steve :) :)
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Yeah, and how many pictures taken at off road sites have been used by the anti's to portray green lane use??? Yes we know they were at a pay and play site, but joe public doesnt do they? they just see land rovers ripping ruts everywhere!
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here WE go again jumping to conclusions,nice to see that some people stop & read what its all about,if your gonna think like that then go & join the ANti's,its not doing us any favours,why be shocked to see 8 vehicles in a convoy?
Ok Redline from Scotland, I thought the front cover looked rather cool and how great it would be to go out as a large convoy but I knew this would be moraly wrong if they were green lanning although I thought it must be on private land or is it. It is not the first time a magazine has done things outside the guidelines, for example the Landrover owners magazine wading through a river when vehicles in rivers were forbidden, spawning season or something, and they also got a rap for leaving the path. I was pointing out that an anti would see the veiws as noted by the intellegent member WishIhadaLandy. An excellent post. I dont think the newsagent would be please if I or an anti stopped and read there magazine, they would shout are you going to buy that. I cant see an anti buying the mag but he would see the front cover and make up his own conclusions at the anti meetings. [Edited] I would want to join the antis when the vehicle I want most is a Landrover Defender.
the glass rules AFAIK are a sugestion to what we should do ,not the rules on what we HAVE to do,
Yes they are a suggestion in an effort to make sure that green lanes do not get closed. Keep up the cavalier attitude and no more greenlaning and then let a GLASS coordinator say "Well I told you so"
personally id be surprised if the amount of vehicles in a convoy whilst out lanning didnt increas simply for the fact that bickering amoungst ourselfs are showing to the antis that we cant even come over on an agreed front,
Which is what the GLASS codes are trying to do, set a standard of behaviour. I am positive that you try to adhere (because of your position and responsibility) to this code Redline or am I wrong?
As you have been pulling potential anti material from the pictures, a good thing in my opinion and well done for your vigilance, I am sure you encourage others to behave responsibily.
On your final note I do like this forum and think it is one of the best, certainly for the community spirit. I dont understand about total posts and rankings, have people been upset by the loss of the post count for each user. Not important to me. If you forum was not free it would not have the imense popularity it has, I do believe many would migrate to another forum. I have seen it happen in the past.
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Yeah, and how many pictures taken at off road sites have been used by the anti's to portray green lane use??? Yes we know they were at a pay and play site, but joe public doesnt do they? they just see land rovers ripping ruts everywhere!
Yes this is a problem. I don't know the solution to it other than promoting 4x4 and there responsible conduct some how? :?
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it should be noted that the Greenlaning issue in Scotland (and therefore from RedlineMike's perspective) is different to it is in the UK.
Viz a viz, it's already more or less illigal, or at least there aren't any lanes...
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Yes i was thinking of a southern point of veiw, please elaborate on Redlines perspective.
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i will reply once i come back in from the workshop,
daz you are correct on the laning issue up here,i have seen convoys of up to 50 vehicles on a greenlane trip simply for the fact its either pay & play or not atall,
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mike i agree with u m8 for once on this !
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this rant will continue as there are members of this forum who have taken a childish view on things ,
be warned im having a crap day & SOME1 will cop it especially when they start a thread like this
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hahahahahahaha mike calm down its only a commercial :lol:
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sounds to me like somebody is in need of a hug...
do we have any volunteers ? it does get you a week in scotland :)
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this rant will continue as there are members of this forum who have taken a childish view on things ,
be warned im having a crap day & SOME1 will cop it especially when they start a thread like this
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Childish view seems to be anything you don't agree on. I don't see anything childish about this discussion, it has many good points with discussing the topic.
We are simply discussion the virtues of Landrover World having a front cover with a convoy of 4x4s in a climate of growing anti 4x4.
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Thankyou Datalas for the information on Scotland. I ignorantely thought Scotland, rural area, loads of green lanes. When you told me it was more or less illegal I pondered on this and I conclude that vast areas of Scotland are National park land therefore no greenlaning. What a downer. Mind it still must be useful even essential in remote areas to own a 4x4 with the harsh winter environment.
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nothing to do with that.
Scottish Law is different to English law, and they simply have *no* rights of way as we understand them.
Which, is liable to make any reactions to pictures taken on them seem a little over the top... so, in other words, leave Mikee alone, because frankly, having lived in scotland we do appear to be a bunch of moaning minnies over our greenlane rights :D
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That is such a shame. Still beautiful country to drive around in, I haven't been since I was 7 but I would love to tavel there again.
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They let people off Sheppy? :D
TBH if we go around going 'OO shock horror its a 4x4 on a lane!@ then we are going to end up in some kind of weird underground situation which will please the Anti just as much. There are plenty of things in the UK that arent actually illegal but people beleive are because of the way people go about doing it.
We go out on green lanes, so what? why should we be hiding the fact that we do. We have specalist play sites that we do what we wish on, hell so do most outdoor sites.
Camping in the New Forest is Illegal except on their own Sites. But we dont see camping mags pulling cover pphotos, campsite signs being torn down etc.
This is a complete overreaction, the Antis want this mentality and we are giving into it.
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They let people off Sheppy? :D
Only under special licence.
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Thankyou Datalas for the information on Scotland. I ignorantely thought Scotland, rural area, loads of green lanes. When you told me it was more or less illegal I pondered on this and I conclude that vast areas of Scotland are National park land therefore no greenlaning. What a downer. Mind it still must be useful even essential in remote areas to own a 4x4 with the harsh winter environment.
not quite,there is some sections that are national park,SLROC lost a great site at callander due to them jiggering with the boundarys & the site then became part of the national park,also the winters up here arent really that harsh unless you stay out in the sticks,
TBH u either deal with 40+ vehicles in convoy greenlaning up here or dont bother,of the top of my head there is 2 :!: greenlanes in scotland & both are 3+ hour drives from the central belt & one of them is closed to to erosion on the far end (karloss knows where im at with this 1)
Up here to go offroad you either join a club & use small sites or be friendly with a landowner (this is to go offroad legally)
there are sites that i know off where the ground is unclaimed & used by the bikers & its fair game to play there aswell as most of them are waaaaaay out the road from any civilisation,
Personally i think you should come up here & see what we have to play with,its not alot but it is good,especially the drumclog site (see events section for details)
when i think of some more ill add it
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completely off subject i know, but.....i'm going to scotland in 9 days!! :D :D :D
Can't wait, first visit, should be great!!
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I have to say that anyone using the front cover as ammunition would look a bit silly when anyone else read the full article ! :roll:
I meet bobble hats regulary when we go out and most are polite and ready to chat .
Most have seen idiots but are able to see that we are not all bad .
I know there are plenty of anti groups who regularly publish twoddle about us but lets get real how many non 4x4 and every day folk take any notice of them ??? :shock:
I know plenty of folk who are deemed as "normal"(I use the term generaly) and they get more upset by horse and trail bike riders as these use tracks that most of us would not drive. Most of the lanes we use are pretty spartan of bobble hats as they have plenty of their own paths to wander. :D
I get annoyed at folk trying to make an argument out of nothing and in the process giving the antis fuel ! :shock:
On another note the bobtailed rangie was on ebay a couple of weeks ago.
We would be better off reading bobble hat and horse magazines to check on what they actually say rather than checking LR magazines for what they "might" say . :?: :D :D
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Surely most of the horse and hound readers own Land rovers and the like, to pull their horse boxes. I dont know how much that weighs but I think it would be far easier and no struggle when hitched up to a defender.
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I was refering to stables that hire their horses out to folk that have no care for the byways and paths rather than true country folk who generally own a LR an now how to behave. :D
90% of horse trailer are braked and correctly loaded have a nose weight of 75kgs.
This means you can tow it behind most decent cars .
Anyone with a brain would use a 4x4 as they are built for the job . :D
I believe the nissan pickup has the best tow weight at present but I may be wrong.
I know a 110 can tow a fair bit but are a bit spartan unless you can afford a new one with a few luxuries !
There is a company in Salisbury who hire trail bike out ,We regularly see them acting tw4t5 We have attemted to tell them how to behave but are usually told where to go ! Nice lot. Still trying to find their base to have a word on the subject ! :twisted: