Mud-club
Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: nickW on March 30, 2006, 20:33:23
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Lol, are you joining?
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i thought i might post them a nice pic of my disco in the freepost return envelope
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They don't just lobby local councils, they tell blatant lies too, I notice how the disabled have been roped into their evil plans, just as long as it's on their terms. They need a good hard slap with a reality stick, selfish f*****s
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i thought i might post them a nice pic of my disco in the freepost return envelope
Send a few pics and as much scrap metal as you can fit into the envelope, get your monies worth of the freepost.
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:twisted: :lol:
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how did they get your address?
they must have paid a fair whack for a marketing spam like that.
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But it says that some paths are not able to be used by the disabled. But we dont use paths so it must be the walkers who are doing the damage.
BAN THE WALKERS!
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and there info wrong cos if all tracks used previously by horse and cart
can be used by 4x4 then there would be a hell of a lot more BOATS
IF there were more green lanes then there would be less car useing them per mile so we should have more to use and then they would complain less
if we all join the ramblers we could out vote them and turn all tracksthat have been decomisioned back into boats how many members do you think it would take to change there policy at there board meatings
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Can someone find the actual figures for ALL vehicle sales - i.e. are ALL car sales going up because MORE people are driving?
i.e. has the actual overall percentage REALLY changed?
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Can someone find the actual figures for ALL vehicle sales - i.e. are ALL car sales going up because MORE people are driving?
i.e. has the actual overall percentage REALLY changed?
So what if it has? granted it makes this particular bit of propagander smell even more of horse doings, but lets face it, it's not like it isn't somewhat fragrent anyhow.
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want even more reasons why we should be worried about there biast,delueded and out right dishonest bull
have a look at there websight.
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/
just found this on there
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/news/archive/2004/greenlanesopinionpoll.html
"Poll shows overwhelming public support for ban on off-roading in countryside"
I take it thats a poll of there members then.
The worst stuff by far though is on there forums.
Put in 4x4 in there sight search and have alook at some of there supposedly friendly members posts
The bobblehats - should be more like the SS .
At least we dont want to ban every one who doesnt drive a 4x4 from the countryside but it seems the RA (right ar****les) association want to ban EVERYONE who isnt able to walk under there own power from every bit of suposedly open countryside anywhere in the UK
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It's not just 4x4s they have a go at, found this on their forum in a thread about dog walkers, I think this guy is on our side
Oh yes becaue only people who enjoy walking and who are ramblers are righteous enough to have freedom in the great outdoors. Tell ya what, why not ban dogs full stop like you want to ban trail bikes and 4x4's. lets ban mountain bikes to and horses. Maybe we can ban farmers having animals and farm machinery to because these get in the way on our glorious righteous treks and walks.
Oh, god forbid someone should question ramblers because they are a law unto themselves, bloody hell, they nearly have the same powers as Labour which is funny because they want to ban everything aswell.
Perhaps we could ban smokers in the outdoors to and maybe we could ban people that dont walk in the proper way or are ot members of of the RA.
Sorry, this is not a dig at the RA, its a dig at people who think the world revolves around them, no matter what their past time or club etc. Theres room for all of us and this land belongs to all of us. Never in a month of sundays should one group think itself more entitled to the great outdoors than another.
It doesnt matter if this post offends because it well be removed anyway
Guess i better go and tell my missus that we are not welcome in the great outdoors with our dog anymore unless its muzzled, tied to a leash and sits and behaves so as not to upset a righteous rambler. Its ok though cause im getting used to not being able to do the things i like as ramblers seem to think most of other past times apart from walking and climbing are scummy and should be banned.
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Shouldn't it be Irresponsible use of ramblers is a threat to your access to the countryside?
:roll:
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I wonder if they realise the work we do fighting to keep rights of way open?
Ok say they get there way and get us baned from greenlanes etc.
It doesnt take much of a leap in imagination to see the land owners etc can then start there own ban public access campaine or start off with reduce access campaine.
Theres plenty of land owners out there who already feel this way.
They are not just all anti 4x4 but anti access to anyone.
As a community the offroaders as a whole should be considered a benefit to people like the RA through works by groups such as GLASS etc etc
There will always be the irresponcible few in any group wheater its offroaders,trailbikers,hourse riders,ramblers etc who will tarnish the majorities reputation. the ramblers should stop there focus on people like us who are responcible and take an wider view of what we do and focus on the people who are causing all the damage and destruction.
its an ideal world view I know and in all honesty its never likley to happen but I would love to be proved wrong.
I know this may sound like a stupid question given the RA stance on 4x4 usage of the countryside and there rights of way but have any offroad groups ever tried to extend a hand of friendship?
Has it ever been pointed out to groups like the RA the work we do for access to the countryside after all its not just us who benefit :?:
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just signed up for the ramblers association forums and posted the following
Right I know this is going to open a whole can of worms but I would like to ask a few questions.
As a 4x4 owner and offroader and (former) walker do the rambers association/rambling community as a whole except the work that is done by the offroading community to keep byways open?
Do the ramblers association want to ban ALLrecreational use of 4x4/trail bikes etc from the countryside or publick rights of way e.g. BOAT's (byways open to all traffic)?
Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that its not all 4x4/trail bikers who are causing the damage that is so offten associated with us, but that most damage is caused by the irresponcible minority who dont have the sence not to drive a greenlane when it may result in damage to the surface of the lane?
Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that not all recreational offroad drivers illegaly use rights of way designated as footpaths or bridleways which have no vechicular access?
slightly different issue but still in the same vein.
In a recent mail shot that was sent out by the ramblers association and I quote "the huge increase in 4x4 and other offroad vechicle ownership (some estimates say 400% in 10 years)Has lead to a deline in the condition of many byways" end quote
On what figures are the stated 400% increas in sales based?
Is this for ALL vehicle sales - i.e. are ALL car sales going up because MORE people are driving?
i.e. has the actual overall percentage REALLY changed?
And finaly Do the ramblers association/rambling community ignoledge the work of groups such as GLASS (the greelane association -www.glass-uk.org )who promote the responcible use of the countries byways?
will be intresting to see what there answers are - if any
thread should be viewable here
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6021
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Hey i bet they take ur thread of the forum :evil:
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We should all join and start to post questions/comments just to quietly get our point of view across, open up their followers blinkered eyes a little. The worst thing would be to join and turn them against us more.
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yes we could do that borders but i have been told that when u put things ob their forum, if the topic questions there ideas and reasons they just delete it from the thread so they hide it from public view i might be wrong but that is wot i have been told :?
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just signed up for the ramblers association forums and posted the following
Right I know this is going to open a whole can of worms but I would like to ask a few questions.
As a 4x4 owner and offroader and (former) walker do the rambers association/rambling community as a whole except the work that is done by the offroading community to keep byways open?
Do the ramblers association want to ban ALLrecreational use of 4x4/trail bikes etc from the countryside or publick rights of way e.g. BOAT's (byways open to all traffic)?
Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that its not all 4x4/trail bikers who are causing the damage that is so offten associated with us, but that most damage is caused by the irresponcible minority who dont have the sence not to drive a greenlane when it may result in damage to the surface of the lane?
Do the ramblers association/rambling community except that not all recreational offroad drivers illegaly use rights of way designated as footpaths or bridleways which have no vechicular access?
slightly different issue but still in the same vein.
In a recent mail shot that was sent out by the ramblers association and I quote "the huge increase in 4x4 and other offroad vechicle ownership (some estimates say 400% in 10 years)Has lead to a deline in the condition of many byways" end quote
On what figures are the stated 400% increas in sales based?
Is this for ALL vehicle sales - i.e. are ALL car sales going up because MORE people are driving?
i.e. has the actual overall percentage REALLY changed?
And finaly Do the ramblers association/rambling community ignoledge the work of groups such as GLASS (the greelane association -www.glass-uk.org )who promote the responcible use of the countries byways?
will be intresting to see what there answers are - if any
thread should be viewable here
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6021
Well let's see how long that post lasts before the forum admin pull it.
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Well, it seems contradiction is the order of the day:
b) Ramblers Association want to ban all recreational motor vehicles from the countryside ( they're ok in town)
f) Light use of byways by traffic (whether 4x4 or not) keeps them open to ramblers
It seem Brian-Mellows has no idea how ironic that is!! According to him, it's OK for any motor vehicle to drive around the countryside, as long as they are ramblers vehicles!!
Incidentally, it's well worth running any posts to their forum through the spell-check, just to prevent them from going down the 'learn to spell' route, which only allows them to detract from the topic in hand :)
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just signed up for the ramblers association forums
Just done the same.
Stuck to my usual 'BTM' screen-name as well
I promise not to be too outspoken :^o
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That particular thread has been locked now.
Have to start another :wink:
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Scouting around.... the middle part of this thread is quite amusing too!
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/FORUM/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5876&whichpage=2
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Blimey!!
Aviation is possibly more damaging than the world motor transport pool
Well, half a brownie point for that little nugget of 'observation' - it looks like they assemble their 'facts' from the same place as "St. Sian" :(biglaugh):
as for that Screerunner guy; hell, it's don't do as I do, do as I say!! Priceless!!!
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should invite some ramblers onto here or any other 4x4 forum to post - may be then a good discussion can be had that wont be locked as soon as we start to win the debate!
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should invite some ramblers onto here or any other 4x4 forum to post - may be then a good discussion can be had that wont be locked as soon as we start to win the debate!
Now that is a good idea :D . TOP MAN :D Would be great to be able to put our views across instead of just hearing everyone elses.
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wmwgnews
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Posted - 31/03/2006 : 12:32:30
Topic closed. This thread does not relate to "Family Walking". We have not, and have no plans to host any forums which invite discussions along these lines. This is a public forum, and attracts viewpoints, not accurate information on the policy of the RA or anyone else. To make an enquiry regarding RA aims and objectives, please contact Head Office for some appropriate marketing literature.
Discuss? No, they know they are right so they won't allow any argument.
It seems to me like they can promote mass hysteria, but listening or allowing their members to read an opposing point of view is not allowed. So now you know how the RA think ...
Why am I so unsurprised?
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Mmmmmm :?
The newest listed member goes by the name of.....................................
'Thrasher'
Wonder if it's Nelly? :lol:
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right then had my crack at them so who is going to start another thread.
It seams they cant offer any kind of real reply.
Perhaps they have realised just how (insert own wording here) stupid there arguments are now
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further to datalas post below by no means is this a "disguised" message sudgesting we start spam posting all over the RA or any other forum for that matter.
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At the risk of being controversial ......
I haven't read the RA forum guidelines, but assuming some are laid out somewhere I can see the reasons for locking the thread. They have not removed it, so people can still see what it was about.
The quote "This is a public forum, and attracts viewpoints, not accurate information on the policy of the RA or anyone else" is the relevant line. The original questions were asking about RA policy/opinions. If that is not what the forum is there for, then it was perfectly within their remit to lock it.
So, if someone else were to start a thread would suggest it should be worded to fall within their guidelines.
Something like:
I was wondering what other members feel about the RA policy on..... etc?
However, I suspect in joining the RA you agree to abide by their terms and policies. So, the answer should, in theory, be a foregone conclusion.
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Can I offer a word of caution here ...
if the RA signed onto mud-club and started spamming it to death with messages questioning the actions of the more demented members of the off road community, of which I would like to point out there are many, then we would probably not take especially kindly to it.
Please bare in mind that some of their membership quite probably don't give a twiddle about 4x4s, and are either unaware of the pressure the association is placing towards things like the NERC bill, or are under the impression that what is being objected to is "irresponsible off roading" which, is strictly speaking accurate and in line with what Mud-Club preaches, I'd like to see an end ot "irresponsible off roading" too, I'd also like to extend that to "irresponsible on roading" ..
Either way, let's not convince those with no opinion that we are a bunch of argumentative single minded so and sos with no ability to see the oter side of the argument ...
just my $0.02
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the posting was never intended as a spam attack (I hope you would think better of me than that)
It was just an attempt to see what sort of answers they may come up.
Granted they are well with in there rights to lock the thread although I do feel that it would have been a chance for not only the ramblers themselves to voice there opinions but for the RA as a whole to post there stance openly.
I except that as you say datalas that we would be "rather upset" if the ramblers or any other anti group started to spam post MC of which we are all justly proud but again theres spam and theres being able to aire views publicly and openly .
I know this may seem like a bit of a rant back but its REALLY not intended to be as just feel I should put my stance on record from the original posts on MC and the RA.
I've amended my post above on my own free will with no promts from any mods on MC - again I think the message could be misinterpreted but my post as it says is in no way an open or disguised prompt to spam any forum
:D
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As for the RA forum being an open public one i very much digress. Anything not to thier liking and it gets pulled. Try posting in support of keeping Vixen tor closed. There would be outrage :lol:
The RA forum has been closed down once before when an internet based forum had a mass joining and spammed it to death. so was the rumor i had heard being i am a Forum moderator on another forum.
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http://www.ramblers.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6034
wonder how long this one will stay up? :)
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whoops a namesake has appeared on that thread.
keep the debate civil and it should not get locked.
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Don't worry, I wasn't attempting to belittle your (or anyone elses') character, just making sure everyone was aware that things of this ilk are potentially dangerous.