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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: tiltboy on May 21, 2006, 13:48:01
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Now then.
Anyone got any bright ideas on how to sneak round the stupid no dislocation cones rule in ALRC trials? :?
My 90 on 2" lift and procomp ES9000's dislocates all the while. ALRC regs say no cones. They do however suggest using jubilee clips on the top of the coil springs to prevent this happening. Now it's obvious that for health and safety reasons this is a bad idea. Jubilee clips are not tested for use on suspension parts and thier use in this way puts strain on the lower coil mounts, in some cases ripping them off the axle (i.e. my case! :evil: ).
Anyone got any views?
OR AM I JUST REALLY SAD!? :roll:
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hmmm
i think ull find that ARC rules alow relocation cones as loads o guys up here run them & we have the arseyest scrutineer, (failed mine for being wrong colour of blue :roll: )
i run jubilee clips cos im tight & dont belive in throwing cash at stuff i dont need
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NOPE, DEFINATELY NOT.
Checked it with ALRC scrutineering comittee, Nicht cones!!
Had a scrutineer once tell me that running with my soft top rolled up contravened ARC regs! Got my year book out, corrected him, then he failed my hand brake! Fair cop! (I did point out his dubious parentage!)
Thinking of using Disco 2 coil lower retainers (small lip on them - spring on disco 2 is not fixed on lower mounts) and running a dummy shock through the coil to aid relocation.
But it's such a cock around just to solve a problem that is already solved by lots of companies with little effort!
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fit them,paint them black & then question his parentage :lol:
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:lol:
Already fitted them as a "safety feature", turned up to an RTVT and was told that I could run but score no points due to the cones! Parentage and sexuality were then questioned!!
Our secretary is also the ALRC secretary and therefore we can't fart without the smell conforming to yearbook regs!
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Could try a droop kit. http://safarigard.com/catalog/sg_droopkit_2410486.htm
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Don't know if this will help. Dealing with ARC, most likely not. I didn't have dislocation cones fitted on my hybrid untill later. I fitted 3 strips of steel going down inside the spring. Worked like a cone, but isn't a cone. :wink:
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My guess is that you are a bit stuck really; rules are rules, and if there is a no cones rule with ALRC events then that is that.
Its a shame, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed in modified classes, but they have to draw the line somewhere.
I race a full bodied discovery which is fairly standard, but it will not pass ALRC scrutineering, largely because they are not what it was built for, even when you can race a coil sprung series 1! :wink:
In terms of what to do - I use jubilee clips but not as a travel limiting device, just to stop the springs from jumping out. I think that you might need to think about check straps.
It might be worth speaking to someone like Dave Marsh at QT to see how they get around this rule.
H
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Yes as above the the ALRC have a no cones rule. But then you must look on the side of the committie and think that it is giving an unfair advantage.
We at C&D mainly use jublie clips. Note plural as one is liable to break so maybe two / three is a good optimum. Some use exhaust clamps to hold their springs in but i have even known these to break. I have known a srpring retainer on the bottom of an axle bend so allowing a spring to pop out, but never have i know a case where it has taken the mount off the axle, there must have been a weakned point so to case such a falier.
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The real answer is to go trialling with a more sensible club.
I fell foul of ARC regs and just couldn't believe their petty minded rivet counting mentality. It's not my idea of fun.
Mike
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As suggested, talk to Dave Marsh at Q.T. as he was
on A.R.C. Scrutineer Committee and was responsible for
'log booking' trialers.
http://www.qtservices.co.uk/
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The real answer is to go trialling with a more sensible club.
I fell foul of ARC regs and just couldn't believe their petty minded rivet counting mentality. It's not my idea of fun.
Mike
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I've not had any experience with ARC rules so I've no idea what they say but, do the only mention "Cones" or is it "any item that assists with the relocation of a suspension spring once it has detached from the top chassis mounting point"?
If they only mention cones then how about these spring re-locators from Gwyn Lewis (http://www.gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/page23.html), he also does a competition set with a hook on the end to capture the spring. :wink:
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These http://www.gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/page45.html
Paul
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If you can't run dislocation cones, but still want lots of travel....
http://www.maxtraction.co.uk/ :wink:
Was speaking to them at Driffield.... seemed to know what he was talking about, and a nice bloke.
Ian
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We use "High tourqx" jubalee clips at work for air supplies. They are about 1/2" to 3/4" wide and made out of high grade stainless.
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BTW checking the Green book It says use a jubilie clip or other sultible item, so it isn't regulated to that one item.
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suitable item
relocation cones :lol:
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Yes as above the the ALRC have a no cones rule. But then you must look on the side of the committie and think that it is giving an unfair advantage.
We at C&D mainly use jublie clips. Note plural as one is liable to break so maybe two / three is a good optimum. Some use exhaust clamps to hold their springs in but i have even known these to break. I have known a srpring retainer on the bottom of an axle bend so allowing a spring to pop out, but never have i know a case where it has taken the mount off the axle, there must have been a weakned point so to case such a falier.
Well, I really can't see how dislocation (or relocation) cones are an "unfair advantage"? :roll: They won't give me anymore travel, simply safer operation.
As you say, jubilee clips break, even exhaust clamps fail so this must show the forces involved. Whilst my rear axle looks as though it has lived in the sea for a couple of years, it's no more rusty than many I've seen and to my knowledge we've had two sets of lower mounts come adrift, so this can't be an isolated problem.
Thanks to all who sugested talking to Dave at QT, I will definately do that.
I'll also speak to Gwyn Lewis.
Max Traction? Expensive!! ALRC trials should be at the cheaper end of motorsport and I think they quote a lot of money for thier system. MIght be worth trying to copy it?
DR Mike - you could be right! :wink:
Redlinemike - spot on!!
I'll pursue the Disco 2 line which still uses Rover parts. Till then I'll count rivets!
Thanks all.
Jeremy.
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How about relocation shroud? A metal shroud around the outside of the spring would do the same thin, AND hide the spring top so it would be hard to spot if it was fastened on or not.
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I should have hastend to say ealier. that what i say isn't my opinion. but mearly those of the ALRC. As it goes you can argue untill blue in the face but the word of the ALRC Scrutinnering committie is that and final.
Sad it maybe but that is life under the ALRC.
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I should have hastend to say ealier. that what i say isn't my opinion. but mearly those of the ALRC. As it goes you can argue untill blue in the face but the word of the ALRC Scrutinnering committie is that and final.
Sad it maybe but that is life under the ALRC.
thus why i dont regularly play with a ARC club at the moment