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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: beast5680 on June 21, 2006, 07:47:39
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Got stopped for the first time in ages this morning at 7am in a drink drive check :shock: night after the england game eh? :?
Mr Plod was pulling over everyone in a van or truck this morning only no cars mind just the vans and trucks to check alchohol levels luckily i dont partake of falling down juice very often so was in the clear
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i think its good to have checks been driving comercial vehicles for most of my driving life and never been stoped yet
dont aggree with drink driving think it should be a zero tollerance thing
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Sounds like a good use of their time for once, makes a change.
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i dont mind being checked but they should make it fair and check everyone, assuming that just van and truck drivers will be over the limit is a bit off
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i dont mind being checked but they should make it fair and check everyone, assuming that just van and truck drivers will be over the limit is a bit off
Whilst you have a point, they have to target someone, and as van/lorry drivers are on the road all day, doing many miles they potentially pose a greater threat than someone doing a 5 min journey, also a 38tonne artic does a lot more damage than a 1t car!
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bloke in work got pulled driving early one sunday morning from manchester and got done
tool
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I cant understand it.
Ive been pulled more times than I can remember on fast bikes etc, regularly on Sunday mornings early doors, and wednesday evenings on the usual lads ride out, and Ive never ever been breathalysed.
Weird aint it, never been a suggestion that I might be.
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cops like pulling bikers over though
dunno why, maybe jealous of the freedom or something
bloke in work said he would get pulled most weeks at some point or another
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i seem to remember le mans 24 hour
a couple of years ago
a car fliped and went off track into the woods (public land)
the driver was quite seriously injured and as they are trying to cart him off in an ambulance there was a copper trying to breathalise him
french law says anyone involved in a RVT (on a public road/land) should be breathalised
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I think anyone stopped for any reason should be breathalised.. and at random if you are getting into/onto your vehicle anywhere public.. or if you are on a pushbike... but then I have a serious issue with drink drivers. Any alcohol before driving/riding is unacceptable. If you have a heavy night then drive to work you deserve the book to be thrown at you... then to be beaten to a pulp with it... :shock:
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I think anyone stopped for any reason should be breathalised.. and at random if you are getting into/onto your vehicle anywhere public.. or if you are on a pushbike... but then I have a serious issue with drink drivers. Any alcohol before driving/riding is unacceptable. If you have a heavy night then drive to work you deserve the book to be thrown at you... then to be beaten to a pulp with it... :shock:
This man's got the right idea :D
I do think you have a fair point about testing just the commercial drivers as if anything i'd have thought they were less likey to drink because their lively hood relies on them driving, and if their boss and / or Mr. Plod caught them drunk they would be fired instantly.
But it's like using mobiles while driving, even tho it is illegal, the number of people who still do it is frightening :shock:
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But it's like using mobiles while driving, even tho it is illegal, the number of people who still do it is frightening :shock:
But is that as dangerous as drink driving?
Speeding is illegal but the number of people who do that far outweighs the drink drivers and phone users put together....
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I see this is the fascist thread then.
I do not condone or partake in drinking and driving and have had a friend killed by one many years ago, so I do feel strongly about this.
However, when are we going to realise that this is the thin end of the ever growing wedge?
To only stop commercial drivers is discriminatory and is no different to stopping drivers of a certain ethnic origin.
I also ride motorcycles and have only ever been stopped a couple of times in the last 25 years.
To do it after a game of football the night before is also wrong, why not do it every morning?
Just smacks of injustice to me.
We are no longer allowed to enjoy ourselves in this awful land of Fascist, corrupt and biggoted officials.
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I see this is the fascist thread then.
We are no longer allowed to enjoy ourselves in this awful land of Fascist, corrupt and biggoted officials.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about no longer being able to enjoy oneself ... nanny state, big brother, rules and silly regs, officialdom gone stark staring mad.. yadda yadda yadda.... My view.. do what ever the hell you like as long as it is not going to affect anyone else... so drinking and driving is out. There comes a time when the safety of the innocent means your freedom to drink has to have the anchors put on. Football, wedding, whatever.. drink and dont drive !
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I know of someone that does drink and drive. They know it is wrong, but don't care. Luckily we don't have much at all to do with that particular person, their whole outlook on life is warped.
All checks on vehicles and people driving vehicles are worthwhile. It only takes 1 to cause many ruined lives. If out of 100 people checked, 1 was caught, it would be worth it.
To say it is not fair after the football - are you mad. It is the time when there WILL be drunk drivers on the road and they need stopping. Would you complain if they drove into you while you were walking along the day after getting bladdred, just because the football had been on? Would you say - Oh, that's ok, you were just enjoying yourself the night before, that is if you were still alive? Can't see it somehow.
I say, keep up the checks. Breathalisers and vehicle checks Do them more often. Take the people that don't deserve to be on the road, off it. I drive lots for my job and used to drive for a living. I was and am always more than happy to be checked. I don't want to be killed by an irresponsible person - find them and throw away the key.
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Drunk drivers, keep em off the road, who cares what time of day they get tested, if they are prepared to do do it,,, then lets hope they get caught.
The police in this country also test at RTA's I have seen this many times, some think it quite inappropriate who Mr Plod asks them to blow in the box while they are being patched up by the paramedics, this is while were cutting the victims out of the other vehicles.
Certian distribution company's are considering bringing in random breath tests before drivers leave the depot's, fail they lose there job.
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Last week in Coventry, the police had a big presence; pulling cars, and mostly those displaying the "crap driver" red cross on white background warning flags.
Personally, having seen the carnage caused by drunk drivers, and having had to comfort their victims' grieving relatives a few thousand times too often; I think anyone who drinks and drives should be banned from driving for life (bans don't reform very many of them!!) and branded across their foreheads, so that everyone can see what irresponsible, antisocial, murdering [person of questionable parentage] they are!!! :(vamp):
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Totally agree with the zero tolerance. As a HGV driver if I do have a drink then thats all it is A Drink(usually a shandy too :oops: ) but know of several people who think nothing of downing 5 or 6 pints then driving from the pub, also had a driver that used to regularly turn at at 7am STRAIGHT FROM THE PUB.. god knows how he never killed anyone!!!
When I am on my bike the only thing I drink is pop,
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Hers's a quickie for you...
Until I was made redundant in feb I drove an artic for Tesco.. I will name them cos they cant deny what Im going to say next.. one of our drivers lost his licence for being 3 times over the limit when stopped in his car. Tesco found another job for this guy for the year that he was banned for... wrong in my book... the guy should have been sacked on the spot. Then they put him straight back in a lorry and his drinking continues. 40 tons of tesco artic..... say no more. :(
The only reason I dont name the guy and our depot is because the moderators would most likely pull my post if I did...
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artic are like 40 ton guided missles in the wrong hands, my dads a transport manager in london and they have a zero tolerance on any law breaking, be it drinking and driving, using a hand held mobile, driving without a seat belt or speeding.
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I am unfortunatly classed as disabled due to me only having one arm, its the right arm and is missing from above the elbow.
Many a person will look at me, nod and say "motorbike accident" and when I reply with a yes the reply is normally "thought so, dangerous machines aren't they".
Mine was only a "dangerous machine" due to a drunk driver in a Mercedes who was twice over the limit coming round a corner on the wrong side of the road. Nearly lost my leg, broken left wrist, broken right arm, severed artery feeding right arm and bad neck, these are just some of the injuries. The reason that I lost my right arm was due to the nerves being pulled out of the spine, people in the medical profession call this bracheal plexus.
This happened 21 year ago and since then have had 21 years of pain due to phantom limb pain. A pain so bad I could be rolling around on the floor in agony, this could happen most days. I have been going to pain clinics who have been attempting to ease this pain without much success.
I am off work at the moment due to just coming out of a hospital in Liverpool, a fantastic hospital with brilliant staff. Had an operation on my spinal cord to try and ease the pain, an operation where nerves in the spinal cord are corterised. A very frightening and risky operation, it was a very hard decision of whether to have it or not due to the obvious risks. Its early days yet but only time will tell if its been a success or not.
Need I say anything else about the risks of drinking and driving??
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I Think Blacknight has said all there is to say about drink driving
Darren
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I Think Blacknight has said all there is to say about drink driving
Darren
Definately, best of luck Blacknight.
I used to see drink drivers all the time when i played tennis at the local club. everyone drove in, played a few games, had a few beers in the clubhouse then drove home. they were never [!Expletive Deleted!] but enough to slow the reactions down. it must happen everywhere, i dont think the message has got home
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All checks on vehicles and people driving vehicles are worthwhile. It only takes 1 to cause many ruined lives. If out of 100 people checked, 1 was caught, it would be worth it.
I kind of agree with the sentiment, but I'm not sure that ALL checks are worthwhile; they are time consuming and inconvenient for the 99 people who are in the clear.
To say it is not fair after the football - are you mad. It is the time when there WILL be drunk drivers on the road and they need stopping.
I agree with the notion of having more checks after events like the football and around Christmas when more people are likely to be over the limit - and especially the morning after when it's very easy to forget last night's 8 pints.
Would you complain if they drove into you while you were walking along the day after getting bladdred, just because the football had been on? Would you say - Oh, that's ok, you were just enjoying yourself the night before, that is if you were still alive? Can't see it somehow.
Good point.
While I don't condone drink driving, there is a world of difference between the person who knowingly and willingly drives when they are WAY over the limit and the person who registers fractionally over the limit the morning after, but I don't believe that either society or the legal system makes any differentiation. In the latter situation they'd probably be just as dangerous (from lack of sleep) if they were at .075% (legal) instead of .085 (illegal) - the alcohol is irrelevant.
Just to be clear, they still shouldn't have been driving, but the focus on the alcohol limit isn't the whole story, in the same way that 29mph is safe and 31mph is dangerous on any given road.
It's not just alcohol that affects your judgement - after struggling to concentrate sufficiently for the 20 minutes to get home after an overnight flight a few years ago I now refuse to drive after long flights, and I try to avoid the morning-after-the-night before situations as well: even if I wasn't drinking very much, I'm too tired to be safe.
Keep it safe out there, folks, and best wishes to Blacknight that the operation helps.
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No denying it is inconvienient at times to be stopped, but rather that than some numpsy kill me! :wink:
As they say, better to arrive late while in this life, than arrive early for the next. :shock:
Good luck blacknight - hope it works for you.
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No denying it is inconvienient at times to be stopped, but rather that than some numpsy kill me!
At the risk of being inflammatory, would you say the same if you were randomly searched in case you had drugs or stolen goods on you? How often is acceptable? Once a year? Twice a month? Three times a day?
I think it needs to be balanced: I'm all in favour for a swoop like this when there's something to raise the profile, but I generally don't feel that stopping and searching the innocents is the best way to stop crime.
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It's my opinion that 1 drink is too much.
I also never drink if I drive the next day.
I'm sure that more people take drugs and drive. Test them and ban them.
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This is not about stopping crime.. this is about not destroying lives..
I don't care if I'm stopped 3 times a day.. as long as it's polite and quick and purely for the purpose of a breath test... I don't drink and drive and never have but the point is how do the old bill know who is innocent until they check ? .. let them check...
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I'm sure that more people take drugs and drive. Test them and ban them.
There should certainly be the same level of legislation and enforcement around other mind-altering drugs. It's perverse that it's (sort of) OK to drive when out of your mind on something you shouldn't have been able to take in the first place.
This is not about stopping crime.. this is about not destroying lives.. I don't care if I'm stopped 3 times a day.. as long as it's polite and quick and purely for the purpose of a breath test... I don't drink and drive and never have but the point is how do the old bill know who is innocent until they check ? .. let them check...
You're a lot more tolerant than I am: even if we were stopped more often, it probably still wouldn't deter the hard core drunkards that are the real problem.
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One thing I am not.. when referring to crime and punishment... is tolerent... hang 'em, flog 'em, chuck away the key etc... :lol:
Society has gone soft and we shall reap the whirlwind... :shock:
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One thing I am not.. when referring to crime and punishment... is tolerent... hang 'em, flog 'em, chuck away the key etc... :lol:
Society has gone soft and we shall reap the whirlwind... :shock:
I meant tolerant of the policing, not the crime! I'm as much for hanging, flogging and key-chucking as you are, but I don't want my life interfered with while we catch them.
Yes, I'm an idealist.
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This is not about stopping crime.. this is about not destroying lives..
I don't care if I'm stopped 3 times a day.. as long as it's polite and quick and purely for the purpose of a breath test... I don't drink and drive and never have but the point is how do the old bill know who is innocent until they check ? .. let them check...
With you - let them check.
I've been checked going into clubs before, and never objected. As Discograham says, they won't know who is innocent till they check. :wink:
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There should certainly be the same level of legislation and enforcement around other mind-altering drugs. It's perverse that it's (sort of) OK to drive when out of your mind on something you shouldn't have been able to take in the first place.
Well, I'm not sure what law books you've been reading; but in this country, there IS zero tolerance on "Drug-driving" any illegal drug in the system will attract a LONG ban; the only strange thing is that driving after the consumption of alcohol; THE[/u] most destructive drug of all; is STILL thought by an unenlightened minority to be acceptable!!
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Don't you find this a little odd.. ? Most people I talk to on issues pertaining to crime and punishment seem to hold similar views to those that I hold. Even those who supposedly speak on our behalf and are directly involved with the passing of new legislation seem on the face of it to hold similar views...
It just begs the question... why are things that we would wish.. such as police stopping people as they leave pubs and events and breathalising them, just not done..? Damn your civil rights... no CIVIL person has a RIGHT to endanger the lives of others... its time this country stopped hiding behind the various civil rights laws... I'm tired of hearing these toerags screaming "you can't do that.. I know my rights..."
Or am I just a little right wing of Attila the Hun.. ?
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Well, I'm not sure what law books you've been reading; but in this country, there IS zero tolerance on "Drug-driving" any illegal drug in the system will attract a LONG ban; the only strange thing is that driving after the consumption of alcohol; THE[/u] most destructive drug of all; is STILL thought by an unenlightened minority to be acceptable!!
I have a deal with the lawyers around here. I don't tell them about the law, and they don't tell me how to run computer networks. I'm not sure of the precise legislation, I do know that alcohol is the only one for which there is a defined limit and easily administered test - probably because it's so commonplace.
It just begs the question... why are things that we would wish.. such as police stopping people as they leave pubs and events and breathalising them, just not done..? Damn your civil rights... no CIVIL person has a RIGHT to endanger the lives of others... its time this country stopped hiding behind the various civil rights laws... I'm tired of hearing these toerags screaming "you can't do that.. I know my rights..."
Or am I just a little right wing of Attila the Hun.. ?
Well said. I think we are actually in closer agreement that this thread might suggest. I tend to lean a little more to giving people the rope to hang themselves with (I'd prefer to do it in a way that didn't let them take someone else with them) than to having lots of checks and balances which assume everyone might be guilty to start with, but no, endangering other people is a NOT a right.
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With the drug side of things you have to show that the person was 'impaired', and it can also mean any drug, not necessarily illegal ones. When you next get a prescription, check what it says on the label. If it says 'Do not operate machinery.....', what do we do?
Also certain chemicals that the average person can be exposed to in everyday life can cause a breath test machine to register as 'over', eg toluene, which is found in most adhesives.
So if you have a day laying cork tiles on the floor, using glue, you could well register as over, and it has been held in a court of law that toluene is a drug.
Please do not get me wrong, I am not pro or whatever label could be thrown at me. Drink/Driving is wrong. Disqulaified driving is wrong. All crime is wrong
If you know someone who drink/drug drives, phone Plod and get them nicked. It really is that simple.
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I am suprised at some of the comments passed on here about civil liberties etc.
I suppose the majority of the great british public will indeed be relieved when the State microchips everyone of us.
It will be here within the next 20 years.
The public will accept it with open arms by the time they have finished getting themselves into such a state as they see it as the only way to stop others from harming them and their material possessions :roll:
The richer we become the less freedom we have, we do it to ourselves :roll:
Folk need to be more chilled about stuff and life in general.
People are going to die despite all the action taken by authorities etc.
4X4`s will be banned soon enough too, they are more harmful to a pedestrian than anything else, best we ban them at the same time as everything else.
If your child was to be run over, would you choose a 4X4 or a modern normal size car to administer the impact?.....Bring into the equation the fitment of bullbar and winch and I don`t think there would be an argument of any sort.....
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Lord Shagg-Pyle...
I take your point regarding the effects that other chemicals may have on the human body.. and at this point have no comment to make.. :shock:
However... regarding the idea of ringing the police to advise them of a drunk driver's location... No... it simply won't work. I have done exactly that.... back to police response times... not good enough..
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I am suprised at some of the comments passed on here about civil liberties etc.
I suppose the majority of the great british public will indeed be relieved when the State microchips everyone of us.
It will be here within the next 20 years.
The public will accept it with open arms by the time they have finished getting themselves into such a state as they see it as the only way to stop others from harming them and their material possessions :roll:
The richer we become the less freedom we have, we do it to ourselves :roll:
Folk need to be more chilled about stuff and life in general.
People are going to die despite all the action taken by authorities etc.
4X4`s will be banned soon enough too, they are more harmful to a pedestrian than anything else, best we ban them at the same time as everything else.
If your child was to be run over, would you choose a 4X4 or a modern normal size car to administer the impact?.....Bring into the equation the fitment of bullbar and winch and I don`t think there would be an argument of any sort.....
Some aspects of the above I agree with, but if we can do something to alleviate the suffering caused by the idiot minority, surely that is better?
If a person gets hit by any sort of vehicle it will cause damage.
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Lord Shagg-Pyle...
I take your point regarding the effects that other chemicals may have on the human body.. and at this point have no comment to make.. :shock:
However... regarding the idea of ringing the police to advise them of a drunk driver's location... No... it simply won't work. I have done exactly that.... back to police response times... not good enough..
If you phone enough times, they will have to sit up and take notice. Everything these days is monitored for performance figures, so if enough people phone something has to be done.
No worries about having no comment, DiscoGraham. Have we found mutual ground?
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Lord Shagg-Pyle...
I take your point regarding the effects that other chemicals may have on the human body.. and at this point have no comment to make.. :shock:
However... regarding the idea of ringing the police to advise them of a drunk driver's location... No... it simply won't work. I have done exactly that.... back to police response times... not good enough..
If you phone enough times, they will have to sit up and take notice. Everything these days is monitored for performance figures, so if enough people phone something has to be done.
No worries about having no comment, DiscoGraham. Have we found mutual ground?
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Lord Shagg-Pyle..
One would hope so.. Time, as they say, will tell ... :lol:
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Touche, mon ami!
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If you phone enough times, they will have to sit up and take notice. Everything these days is monitored for performance figures, so if enough people phone something has to be done
Again, one has to be aware that at some point the police will get fed up to the back teeth with someone calling in all the time and reporting alleged drunk drivers... and before long they would threaten with the whip of wasting police time .. or whatever else they could threaten you with... but I'm jolly well convinced that the one thing they would not do would be to follow these calls up...
Discuss.... :lol:
Or is that just the old bitter and twisted cynic in me... ?
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I dare say that some of the calls received will be malicious ones, but I would have thought that the average plod on the ground would want to get their teeth into a drink driver.
From what I gather most forces now have a dedicated drink/drive hot line or the Crimestoppers organisation. All calls through those I would think are checked then actioned out. Its got to be worth giving it a go. One less drink driver is potentially one less fatality.
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i dont mind being checked but they should make it fair and check everyone, assuming that just van and truck drivers will be over the limit is a bit off
I've seen it loads of times outside biker event (motorcycles not pedal cycles) where they have stopped every bike, gone over it with a fine tooth comb and issued tickets / rectification notices for any 'perceived' faults on the bike - as well as breath-testing.
Meanwhile cars, vans, lorries drove past with impunity.
We were stopped for over an hour and a half at the side of the road in freezing cold February weather after one rally - they had pulled more bikes than they had cops to deal with - in the end Bob got a rectification ticket for a fault that did not exist and a friend got a ticket for a number plate which had been cut down by half an inch to fit the bracket!
Sent them a copy of the bikes FULL MOT which was carried out on the following day and a nasty letter. Funnily enough they said we didn't have to send the rectification notice in after all!
The point here is about applying the law to all road users, not a minority. Mind you I would be happy enough if they started tackling 'travellers. If they can't give a permanent address, have no documents, or have outstanding fines the vehicle should be confiscated there and then (the cops have the powers) instead the cops round here leave them alone to break the law as and when they want because its just 'too much paperwork'.
OK rant over.
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to do with the drug comments mentioned, surely as drug taking is illegal then whatever you are going under the influence of drugs is doen illegally because you have taken that illegal substance :?
Just what i thought, i might be wrong.
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i dont mind being checked but they should make it fair and check everyone, assuming that just van and truck drivers will be over the limit is a bit off
I've seen it loads of times outside biker event (motorcycles not pedal cycles) where they have stopped every bike, gone over it with a fine tooth comb and issued tickets / rectification notices for any 'perceived' faults on the bike - as well as breath-testing.
Meanwhile cars, vans, lorries drove past with impunity.
We were stopped for over an hour and a half at the side of the road in freezing cold February weather after one rally - they had pulled more bikes than they had cops to deal with - in the end Bob got a rectification ticket for a fault that did not exist and a friend got a ticket for a number plate which had been cut down by half an inch to fit the bracket!
Sent them a copy of the bikes FULL MOT which was carried out on the following day and a nasty letter. Funnily enough they said we didn't have to send the rectification notice in after all!
The point here is about applying the law to all road users, not a minority. Mind you I would be happy enough if they started tackling 'travellers. If they can't give a permanent address, have no documents, or have outstanding fines the vehicle should be confiscated there and then (the cops have the powers) instead the cops round here leave them alone to break the law as and when they want because its just 'too much paperwork'.
OK rant over.
i was working on the docks at Heysham one june
and the police had a large portacabin set up with pull in area
soon saw why, when the ferry docked and they pulled just about every bike coming back from the isle of man and did spot checks on them
great end to the TT's
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In their defence I think it's often a response to a percieved risk. Many bikes at the TT are race bikes and as such not really legal. many others may have had accidents and be unsafe. Just because there are a lot of them does it condone breaking the law?
As for pulling up truck drivers/delivery drivers well there agian is a risk, if i worked in an office and was unfit to drive I don't have to but people who drive for a living may choose to take the risk rather than be disciplined for taking a sick day for what is a self-inflicted thing. If you have done nothing wrong then where is the harm?
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i dont mind being checked but they should make it fair and check everyone, assuming that just van and truck drivers will be over the limit is a bit off
Whilst you have a point, they have to target someone, and as van/lorry drivers are on the road all day, doing many miles they potentially pose a greater threat than someone doing a 5 min journey, also a 38tonne artic does a lot more damage than a 1t car!
If a car with a drunk driver does something stupid at the side of a 44 tonne artic it is just as dangerous if not more so, to much blame is put onto truck drivers these days
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I have a deal with the lawyers around here. I don't tell them about the law, and they don't tell me how to run computer networks. I'm not sure of the precise legislation,
Hmm, maybe that's why the person with the law qualification (ME) was informing you!! :P
The reason why there is no predetermined limit for illegal drugs in the system, IS BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL: HENCE- ZERO!! :(stoopid):
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I wonder sometimes.... really I do..
There are plenty of ways in which the human body can be affected through drugs that are legal.. or through other chemicals .. hell, even diesel on your skin can have a harmful effect... something you may think relatively innocuous can have a dramatic adverse effect on some people...... one has always to be aware of this and think about what drugs you are taking or chemicals with which you are working..
Common sense :wink:
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Forgive me for coming in late, but it is illegal to eat/drink/use a phone while driving, but NOT illegal to have a lit narcotic in your mouth....I am still stunned at this stupidity.
I know I am straying from the subject matter.....
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Forgive me for coming in late, but it is illegal to eat/drink/use a phone while driving, but NOT illegal to have a lit narcotic in your mouth....I am still stunned at this stupidity.
I know I am straying from the subject matter.....
I'm sure I heard something on the radio the other day that they are going to extend the smoking ban to cover this.
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Hey.. I'm trying to give up smoking but I draw the line now... I won't be told I can't smoke in my own vehicle.. this, if it's true, will cause more accidents when people try to hide their lit ciggy when they see a copper and the end drops off in their lap.... :shock:
Same with phones.. or an apple for example.. the quick attempt to hide the offending item will cause more accidents.... :roll:
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...so by this you mean I can drink beer AND drive as long as I can hide the bottle??? Get real - cigarettes are a narcotic!!! And not only that - they are bloody on fire while you use them!!!!
There is a breathaliser test, is there an I've smoked 40 cigs while I'll driven 200 miles test? NO THERE BLOODY IS NOT. BOTH are influential on the control the brain has on the body.....unless you are going to tell me sucking smoke in for fun has no narcotic effect?
Of course the govt will NEVER ban them in cars, as they will loose too much revenue. Just like they won;t stop selling alcohol before 6pm, put a curfew on alcohol consumption, and make sure no-one drives again until 6am.....
They make too much on fags, "beer" and petrol to ban all of them......
Of course if we actually HAD A PUBLIC TRANSPORT SYTEM outside of SODDING LONDON then we might actually lower the occurances....
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Thrasher.......
...so by this you mean I can drink beer AND drive as long as I can hide the bottle??? Get real - cigarettes are a narcotic!!! And not only that - they are bloody on fire while you use them!!!!quote]
Now, now... don't be silly... :lol:
You must have read what I've said about drinking and driving... I think my opinion is pretty damn clear by now... :shock:
The point was a general one and ... ciggys aside.. does not mean that I condone the acts I mentioned in my last post...
But that does not change the facts of the matter.. people do try to hide phones etc if a police car passes... and this, in my view, increases the chance of an accident. I don't offer an answer, a miracle cure all for the problem, just stating the issue as I see it...
:lol:
And the public transport comment... yep.. right with you on that one.. !
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...if a police car passes....
likelihood nowadays is almost NIL. Unless it is unmarked.
Sad they have ditched real coppers and replaced them with stupid cameras :(
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NOOOOOOOOOOO :shock:
Don't go there.. !
You'le just start me off again.... cameras.. police....
arghghghghgh :lol: :lol:
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Have herd Cumbria Police will be doing this after every England Match !!!
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I agree with the notion of having more checks after events like the football and around Christmas when more people are likely to be over the limit - and especially the morning after when it's very easy to forget last night's 8 pints.
Guess what, there is far more driving under the influence in the summer than at Xmas.
Even prior to successive governments seasonal campaigns, remember the song "In the Summertime"
"....Go out for a drink and a drive...."
My fiancee and her daughter were killed by a driver 2.5 times the limit at 11:30 on a lovely summers morning after the £$"! had "just been out for a nice meal in a country pub" the night before.
As the law stands anybody can be tested on "reasonable grounds to suspect", after involvment in an RTC, or after commiting a moving traffic offence.
At the risk of stereotyping.....If I were a cop a white van, with the "idiot flags" the morning after a match would be prime cannon fodder under the reasonable suspicion ruling. How many of the folks you see in the crowded pub on match night are likely to have only had a couple then drive to work in a Merc and sit behind a desk all day?
{off me soapbox}