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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: bezzabsa on June 21, 2006, 19:33:26
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Ok the guy who won the 109 has asked for my paypal details, and wants to pay asap as he is suposed to have arranged to collect next week and ship the week after..
read this and see what you think!
Neil- Howdy! Glad to have won the Landy! Was wondering if would be
alright to pay with Paypal- I have a GBP balance of several hundred
pounds (which hga, and can fund the rest from my $ account. I have a
guy to pick it up, he is actually right in Brierly Hill, and is
charging
me 100 pounds to get it to the docks in Liverpool. Can I give you 509
pounds (plus a bit for the aggravation?), and have you pay him in cash
when he turns up? Seems like a nice chap. I will fwd. you his local
number, have it in the office, but am on the road at the moment, on the
way to see Bruce Springsteen over in (New) Jersey.
By the way, I have been exporting Rovers to the states for over 12
years, and have plenty of references over there if you are a bit leery,
all the big Rover places know me, i.e. John Craddock, Alan and Glen at
Paddock Spares, so if you want to make sure eveything is on the up and
up, don't hesitate to call either one.
Looking forward to getting the Rover, I have made tentative
arrangements
for it to be picked up on Friday. Let me know, and I will call a bit
after 6 tomorrow eve.
Cheers!
Gabor S. Antalics
1045-49 Sarah St.
Philadelphia, PA, USA 19125
T. (001) 215-426-2748
F. (001) 215.426.5357
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make the call to paddock or craddocks and see what they have to say,but other than that as long as he checks out ok the deal seems good to me. His paypal idea saves him on charges and other stuff if he only makes one payment to you and you then forward the £100 to his courier.
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It's worth checking with Craddocks & Paddocks. I'd be concerned about him paying you to pay the collection guy - he should sort that out direct so there is no come back on you.
If you are really concerned ask ebay for their advise they are really helpful when you have problems :wink:
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My first reaction to that would be that it MIGHT be a bit dodgy......
The pesamist in me says he will pay you with dodgy money via paypal, get you to pay £500 cash to a stranger and give him the keys to your beloved motor...... he drives off then the credit bounces/fails, you are out of pocket by not only 1 landie, but £500 cash too....
But it might be OK......
Just be very careful.
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just seems a little bit too much like the ' i'll send you £1000 and send me the balance jobbies' may just be me being paranoid!!
Plus I dont have a paypal account!! so he has aske if he can do a wire transfer.. but needs my account No. sort code etc..
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My first reaction to that would be that it MIGHT be a bit dodgy......
The pesamist in me says he will pay you with dodgy money via paypal, get you to pay £500 cash to a stranger and give him the keys to your beloved motor...... he drives off then the credit bounces/fails, you are out of pocket by not only 1 landie, but £500 cash too....
But it might be OK......
Just be very careful.
409 is for me 100 is for transport guy...
but i know what you mean
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Plus I dont have a paypal account!! so he has aske if he can do a wire transfer.. but needs my account No. sort code etc..
in that case I definately would be careful - at least with paypal you have some guarantee / come back.
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Bezza..... open a paypal account.... its free and simple to do.
No way would i pass on my bank details to anyone, get him to send you a cheque.
Be careful Bezza, heard many stories of uk folk being stung by foreign buyers.
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Right have just opened an account.. whats all this about only being able to receive £250 a month????
hows that going to work with the landy selling for more than that?
also how long is it before I can transfer the cash into my bank account? and what sort of come back do i have from pay pal if it does all go tits up??
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If he reports to paypal that goods are not as discribed he can claim the money back from you through your paypal account
best to do cash only ie C.O.D then you have no comeback
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I really think you should contact ebay & get their opinion.
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/safetycentre/index.html
You can transfer money as soon as it is paid but it takes about 5 days to get to your bank account :wink:
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Have to agree wi blackbob....... I would only accept cash. I seem to think that if you take a cheque then he can possibly claim it back up to 6 months down the line, same with paypal and also a direct wire transfer I think. Did you have any other bidders? Reason I ask is I would be tempted to offer it to the next highest bidder as this definately sounds dodgey to me.
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i agree contact ebay im sorry but this sounds a tad too iffy for me
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will see what happens, if he seems VERY eager to get the landy asap, then I think i'll have to have broadband problems for a few days....;)
if cash goes walkies then see what happens.. Oh well see whether cash gets paid in.
BTW does anyone know the exchange rate at the mo (dollars to Pounds)
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This may help - good luck :wink:
http://investing.reuters.co.uk/Investing/Currencies.aspx?src=googleSEM
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Ok so I just googled the guys address and this is what it brought up http://www.skytopscooter.com/ if you are worried try contacting them direct ?
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Check out his website at skytoprover.com - I think he is genuine enough but you are right to be wary
He has bid on several landies recently - a 110V8 ending on 30/05/06 and he stopped bidding at £1700
Also a stage 1 V8 ending on 29/05/06 - although the highest bidder the reserve was not met
Personally I would take the wire transfer - giving out your account no. and sort code is no more than what info is on any cheques you write
Unless you have a trackable means of postage (!) then anyone can do a chargeback on paypal and they ALWAYS come down on the side of the buyer,you should NEVER accept payment this way for any motor unless you really trust the guy
Good luck !
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go open a bank account somewhere...get it wired into there, withdraw the cash and close the account ;)
that way you cant lose out and they can never claim the money back out of the account cos it doesnt exist
just a thought....
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Personally, I'd ask for payment by banker's draft, and not allow collection until it's cleared and you've withdrawn the cash from the account!! That name "Gabor S. Antalics" looks HIGHLY dodgy to me!!
Although a google on his name comes up with this: http://www.skytoprover.com/roverfreedom.htm
So maybe he is genuine; don't blame you for being sus tho!!
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This sounds lik a failry common variation of thge classic scam. He pays you, youpay collector and his cheque/payment bounces.
DONT accept it, tell him to sort out a draft/transfer. Explain to him what he is proposing is too similar to a common form of Ebay fraud and you're sorry but ths is the way it has to be done.
If he's genuine he will understand.
Get references anyway.
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well payment has been received, and he has also been paypal verified.. so we'll se what happens now!
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Make your excuses and bail out,tell him you said local pick up only on your listing i.e. no overseas bidders,it's not your job to pay total strangers,this one smells fishier than Grimsby docks on a hot day.
Kev
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If he is genuine....... he's gonna make a few grand on your landy, apparently mine (96-P reg) before it was modded is worth between $19-$28k over there, depending on condition.
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If he is genuine....... he's gonna make a few grand on your landy, apparently mine (96-P reg) before it was modded is worth between $19-$28k over there, depending on condition.
its worth Hee Haw now :lol: :lol: JK
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Sounds like a scam to me. I accepted Paypal payment for a Saab a couple of years ago. The buyer paid, then came to collect, two weeks later complained to paypal - it took me three monthys to sort out and get the money. Never again! Ok it was only £1500, but as has been said, Paypal 99% of the time side with the buyer.
And no way would I pay his shipping agent - thats one of the longest running scams on Ebay.
I'd get him to pay the agent, and then the agent can pay you cash on collection. That shouldn't be a problem if the agent is his regular one.
Singalong to Monty Python - Scam, scam,scam,scam.....
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agreed! sounds dodgy!
someone tried to do the same thing with a mobile fone i was selling, and asked me to ship it to his father in nigeria, even sent me loads of fake "post office" emails claiming he had sent me a postal order and arranged a delivery number for me to send the mobile with...
reported to ebay, they took one look and blocked him and refunded my listing fee :D DODGY!
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Sounds suspicious to me too. Similar to a reply I had for my landy(which is still for sale by the way).
Have to agree with the others ......cash only
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well payment has been received, and he has also been paypal verified.. so we'll se what happens now!
out of intrest is the buyer the one who has paid or his "agent"
What are there feedback scores like?
Have they only just registered with ebay in last few months or have they been inactive for some time (item numbers will be greyed out if items are over 6(?) months old in feedback pages)
I had similar type of things prev when I sold my 90 and before that when I sold a car on ebay had emails from an potential bidder in india with an "agent" in uk wanted to pay via cheque/international money order.
Told them that it was fine providing (1) they sort shipping (2)Nothing would be released/signed untill funds where in my bank account(3)would not meet anywhere but at my home address to hand vechicle over.
I really wasnt supprised when they never bothered to bid.
Dont let it put you off they may well be a genuine overseas bidder after your motor but from past expeariance I wouldnt bother selling a vechicle outside of UK
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Once he has sent the payment in your paypal it will change to cleared status, indicating valid and accepted funds, any other status and you shouldnt let the goods go. You will also have his paypal rating (similar to eblags) especially if he is a verified paypal user, more guarentee.
Also if in doubt as soon as the money arrives in your paypal withdraw it to your bank account and get him to wait the 5 days for it to arrive in real cash then.
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ITS A SCAM!! - DONT DO IT!
1) He pays by Paypal - as has been said this can and will be reversed, in the meantime they get the car, you loose the money and youll find paypal dont give 2 hoots and wont stop the reversal of the money.
2) He pays by cheque - itll be from a dodgy account and will bounce, maybe not immediatly but within 6 months the bank will be taking the money back, once again the cars gone.
3) BACS/Transfer - nice idea, and the safest so far as he can do diddly squat with your account number and sort code other than pay money in, so you arent going to be stung that way, however itll be a dodgy/stolen account and the transfer will be refused and reversed by the bank, just like the cheque...but the car will have gone.
4) This is the only safe way.... He pays his "agent", not you. Someone, either him or his agent pays you in cash, which you take to the bank with them and pay in, this ensures its legit and not counterfeit or anything, only then do you release the car.
If you dont follow the advice above youll get stung...i bet your landy on it ;)
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Good advice there SMO :D .
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why dont you ask someone in brierly hill to check out this guy.
i deffo wouldnt be giving out my bank details to anyone., personally id be selling it to the next person, the brit one!!!!
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You need to get two letters, one to be signed by the buyer stating that his agent has full responsabillity for the final decision to purchase the vehicle and that you accept no responsabillity if the purchaser is not happy with the agents decision and any fault will be with the purchasers agent. Fax it to the buyer get him to sign it and send it back.
Second letter for the buyers agent stating that he is sattisfied that the vehicle is as described and that he is happy to make the purchase on the buyers behalf and that he accepts all responsabillity for making the choice to buy the vehicle and to deliver it to the buyer in the same condition as when it left you.
Sorry to say that in this day and age you can't just right out a "sold as seen" receipt, it's not worth the paper it's writen on. When you sell any vehicle you have to get the buyer to sign the receipt to say they are happy with the condition of the car.
If you have proof that the buyer (or the agent acting on their behalf) is happy with the vehicle at the time of purchase then ther should be very little chance of any comeback.
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Well, the funds are in paypal currently awaiting transfer to my bank, the guy that is supposed to be transporting to liverpool is to receive £100 as payment - which was included in the transaction . so waiting for the transport guy to arrange a date and time with me.
he has asked for a copy of V5 to be faxed/ emailed to him then the original can be sent to swansea as 'Permantly exported'
Will keep you informed as to status of cash etc.
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I hope everything goes smoothly for you Bezza, good luck.
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Well ive kept well out of this so far . . . . however i would do the same bezza, you seem to be covering all the bases . . . .an as long as u do no probs . . . . ditto Trug. . . . . .
ide just like to take this opp to say that i think this "Mud Club" site an all its membersan advice is absolutely bloody (an thats swearing) brilliant. . . . .thanks. . .
All the best bezzabsa. . . . . . cheers . .. .Plum . . . . .
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well thanks for all the concerns , and advice.
well i have just sent him this email:-
Hi, after several repeated attempts - I have still been unable to contact 'Albert'.
So If I cannot contact him tonight I have no other option but to put a hold on the transaction.
I am still very unsure of paying a guy that I have never met to take away MY vehicle which has been paid for by funds that I have yet to have in my hand!
If , as you state, you are a genuine buyer then I'm sure a 3 or 4 day wait will not bother you as you have previously stated that the land rover is booked for next week.
I hope you can appreciate my concerns, and hopefully put them to rest by agreeing that this is the best course of action.
Bezza
I am waiting for a reply and i'll let you know what happens!
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Stop! Refund the paypal payment. Tell him cash or nothing, he can pay his agent the money as other people suggested. If his paypal payment was funded by credit card and the company request a refund on his behalf they will get it. You will have no motor and no money.
Also he may have added a stolen card to someone elses verified paypal account. Its not worth the risk, I have read far too much about people robbed using pretty much this exact story. Refund him now, take a negative feedback and relist blocking foreign bidders if you have to. Its better than getting stung.
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well his answer to the email has arrived :-
Neil- No problems, I will leave it until next week. You should have
the
funds from Paypal already, it is an instant transfer. As far as the
transaction is concerned, we have finalized it. I just need to get the
Rover picked up, and as you point out, it is booked on next weeks
voyage, so there is no immediate rush.
Thanks,
Gabor S. Antalics
so I'll see what happens next as to collection..
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Not sure if anyone else has posted this but I did a search for "Gabor Antalics" (without the S) and it would appear he owns http://www.skytoprover.com/company.htm
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it is someone using his address as the one in the email matches the web address. Thats easy to fix, just give the company a call and see if it is indeed them buying your truck.
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He can leave it three weeks then request a charge back. He could rely on someone with a stolen card not getting a statement for at least another few weeks. I still say refund him.
Just my 2p worth, I have ranted enough and will leave you to it now! :D
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Just to add I sold an engine to a german guy .............who actually come over in his RRc and picked it up
All was fine payed cash
Darren
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keep the £100 and deliver it your self to the docks :D
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Hmm, here's my tuppenyworth.
if its booked for a sailing, then ask him for the the details of the shipping company, time date & reference number for the sailing. You will need proof of export for DVLA otherwise you are still liable for road tax. There are many criteria for export, VAT and VAT exemption are a few. Certain conditions must be applied and adhered to otherwise you may be charged various fees and be liable for other indemnities. It is a grey area and i know there were many difficulties when i bought and sold motor vehicles within the EU but i only ever dealy in cash! bank transfers can be reversed, a cheque can be bounced up to 6 months after it has cleared! The main thing i would do is to contact someone else whom he has bought a vehicle from and try to get an idea of any pitfalls etc or whether it went smoothly and payment was fine. You should also note that most of the major players in the LR businesses don't ship to the US, i wonder why?
anyway, you have my backing for taking on such a transaction, good luck
Scott