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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Miniman on July 12, 2006, 16:34:11
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PETROL REVOLT
We are hitting £1.00 a litre in some areas.
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don 't buy petrol on a "certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at
that because they knew we wouldn 't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy
petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that Can really work.
Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have
conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, We need to take aggressive
action to teach them that BUYERS control the Market place not sellers. With the price
of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way
we are going to see the price of petrol come down Is if we hit someone in the pocket
by not purchasing their petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
Here's the idea:
For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil
companies (which are now one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they
will be inclined to reduce their prices. If They reduce their prices, the other companies
will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions Of
Esso and BP petrol buyers. It 's really simple to do!! Now, don 't wimp out at this
point... Keep reading and I' ll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
So spread the word to as many people as possible. That 's all.(and not buy at
ESSO/BP) If each of us sends this email within one day of receipt, 300 MILLION
people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!!
That's s how much potential we have! Acting together we can make a difference. If this
makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE
RANGE
It' s easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell,
Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Jet etc.
Let's Boycott BP and Esso.
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well im game for that what i good idea ! 8) it could work if every bodt stuck at it
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To right and its not hard to do.....he he.
Best copy and paste it on the other forums you use. Even Email it to friends.
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Only problem with that is actually knowing who else BP and Esso supply. I know most of the big supermarkets get their fuel from the big companies so how do we know who to actually tick off our lists :?
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Just BP and Esso. Just think of how hard it will hit them.....
I think you know where to post it dont ya dear....he he NBH
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Didn't work last time http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=19398&highlight=boycott or the time before http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=11166&highlight=boycott
I'm not convinced it will work this time.
I think I'll continue to fill with fuel wherever is most convenient.
Regards
Wolfie
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I think I'll continue to fill with fuel wherever is most convenient.
Or cheapest - I hear Scotland is good at the moment! :lol:
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The Jet station on Stoney Stanton Road in Coventry is the cheapest for me in any case :lol:
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Or cheapest - I hear Scotland is good at the moment! :lol:
Slight flaw in your plan, it would take about a full tank to get there (without the racer on the back).
Have a good Hillrally. We WILL be there next year.
Cheers
Wolfie
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I don't want to be a party pooper, but this comes up again and again, and there are many reasons it's a lousy idea and won't work. See discussions on links already posted above.
Sorry Miniman but this particular topic gets a bit wearying after a while! :roll:
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I'd sooner walk than put supermarket fuel in my Disco.
Unless everyone boycotts filling up for a considerable amount of time, it will do nothing to alter fuel prices.
Welcome to the Dictatorship. :twisted:
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The Jet station on Stoney Stanton Road in Coventry is the cheapest for me in any case :lol:
Me too - was there on Sunday. :lol:
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Wouldnt we make it more fun if we all filled up at just 1 filling station(ie jet)
They would be over the moon with all the fuel sales and probably give mud-club members a discount(yeah right)
Im game tho for boycotting the big 2. Takes no effort, and if lots of folks did it, they may take notice. Be a laugh anyway.
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Well its nice to here some of you like the idea..... No harm in trying.... I have fund this posted on quite a few diffrent places now and there was a better responce on most of them. This thing about supermarket fuel is not truth.... Old wives tail.... It all comes from the same source. Someone once told me they was getting sand in there fuel and they even kicked up a stink about it with the fuel station. Only to find out that the last owner of the 4x4 had been messing about in the sea alot and not water proofed his motor and then drowned it in the sea then had to get it pulled out the next day. He syponed the tank and re filled it got it running to sell it on......never thought it would have sand in the bottom of the tank. So owner No 2 had to change filters every month thinking it was the fuel station.....he he he
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Sorry Miniman and others
If cost of fuel is that much of an issue then go and buy a nissan micra - No amount of boycotting or hopping up and down at the cost will make the slightest bit of difference to the cost
Explain to me how the price is going to come down below 69p/l when at present 80 odd pence of the cost is duty ??? - as already said HM government aint going to cut their share and I find it highly unlikely the oil co.'s will start giving it away at a loss
Time to get real and wake up and smell the coffee !
I am happy driving Landrovers and therefore happy to pay the price to fill them up - end of story
Anyway, there are only two filling stations here - both charging the same (diesel 97.9p ) - I can save 2p/l by paying £12.00 to get a ferry and a 1 hour round trip - doesn't seem much point !
Any chance this topic can be banned - it's getting very boring
:lol:
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Nice idea but as already said it won't work as esso and BP supply alot of supermarkets etc anyway.
As for 69p per litre, that means the fuel co's would be making a loss, remember its mostly tax and for the 40 odd p the fuel company get they have to source the fuel, refine it, deliver it, staff forecourts, maintain pumps etc.
Besides fuel co's make little out of domestic fuel anyway so probably would take a long time to give a damn but would use it as a good excuse to axe jobs and put people out of work.
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Any chance this topic can be banned - it's getting very boring
:lol:
Anybody would think you had to read it....now come on get off ya high horse. He he.....BANNED.........OMG
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Any chance this topic can be banned - it's getting very boring
:lol:
Anybody would think you had to read it....now come on get off ya high horse. He he.....BANNED.........OMG
Nothing personal - but it is the third time this EXACT SAME THREAD has been posted in the last year - how about changing the wods around a bit or even boycotting a different oil company - that might make it interesting :lol:
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It' s easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell,
Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Jet etc.
tesco and esso are the same here
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I think the main reason for the lack of responce on here is because this has been going for the best part of two years and has been on here three times that I can remember.
About the only thing that will bring the price of fuel down is a reduction in the tax on it, you won't get much from the companies no matter how you try to hit them.
You let me know know when your fuel price reaches the same as it is up here and I'll feel sorry for you. The price of diesel has been over £1.00 per litre since August 2005.
The prices today are 105.9p per litre for diesel and 103.9p per litre for petrol, and that's at the cheapest petrol station on the island!
We only have National and BP stations on the island and all the fuel that feeds those come in by boat from Grangemouth and is held in the same tanks until the road tankers arrive to distribute it.
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I usually go to Tesco or Morrisons as they do LPG, I keep an eye on prices and the Total place in Worksop is a good benchmark for what's cheap.
Spend £50 at Tesco and get 5p a litre off you fuel, go on, do it. They are giving their fuel away and the rest of the industry hates them, I had friend who worked in the industry and I've heard it first hand.
I saved £4.50 today taking the LSE in to Tesco (shame I picked the most expensive Tesco :roll: ) and if the fools are going to keep doing that, I'm going to keep shopping there.
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As already said most of the cost per litre is for TAX so why not organise a slow drive around parlimant square !
Oh that one didnt work either. :?
"If you have to ask what it does to the gallon you cant afford it", As bentley used to say. :wink:
I have been test driving Merc's all day and I have to say I though their new 320 Cdi (24valve and 0-62.5 in 7.2 seconds) is great 8)
I tried the ML and the e class and at 40+ MPG I would have one of those !
We topped 100 MPH and the trip said 27.8 MPG ! 8)
Shame they are £50+K
:shock:
Everyone moans about this and that but at the end of the day Nothing will change.
People say " its cheap to live in spain" or "the fuels cheap in the states"
But in reality Its not that bad a place to live in the UK
Just my oppinion though so please dont take offence :D
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This thing about supermarket fuel is not truth.... Old wives tail.... It all comes from the same source.
I've heard that too - but how does it explain the power loss and drop in MPG whenever I am "forced" to use supermarket fuel?
While Tesco had their 5p off per litre (when you spend £50 in store), I was filling up there every week, never getting over 24mpg, and my Disco drove like a milk float.
Now I'm using Esso (closest to home) and MPG never drops below 26 and the performance is much better. This is the case with BP too. (Starting in the winter months also improved when I switched.)
There is a Morrisons, Tesco, BP and Esso garage all within 3 miles of my house, and the price at the pumps is often the same at every one of them.
So if it all comes from the same source, and for me the prices are pretty much the same around town - why boycott?
If we boycott the majors and switch to supermarket fuels, then the overall sale of fuel does not change, it's just sold from different pumps.
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I think the source is the same but maybe they have different "mixes" for different customers ?
If TESCO was as good as BP ultimate and 10p litre cheaper where would you fill up ??
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i fill up at morrisons or shell,there is no differnce in the mpg or performance of my everyday car.yet i fill up at jet or texico and the mpg drops and i get a smokey car!bp is more expensive anyways so i don't use em!oh by the way miniman,the beast that is my zook has gone earlier 2day :cry: :cry: :cry:
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I fill up everywhere! i have a v8 for gods sake
here is a breakdown of the costs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/business_petrol_pricing/html/1.stm
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So Kenny if the 80 odd p is tax then reducing the cost the litre is sold for reduces the tax :wink:
Well I'm still waiting on someone explaining how they can expect fuel costs to come down to under 69p/l
If the oil companies only make about 20p/l then the answer clearly doesn't lie with them
I'm all for cheaper fuel and if some form of boycott will make any difference then fine,count me in - I won't be holding my breath though :lol:
It needs to be something that hits the government HARD - and i'm afraid I don't have the answer
:?
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I think the source is the same but maybe they have different "mixes" for different customers ?
I used to work with control systems for the fuel industry so I have a little insider knowledge.
The core fuel be it unleaded or diesel is exactly the same as it has to conform to British standards.
The magic ingredient is the additive which is mixed as the tanker loads up at the depot.
The ratio for this escapes me but I think it was around 25ml in 40 litres of unleaded.
I was responsible for logging into a few shell sites early one morning and "turning off" the formula shell additive when Vauxhalls started dropping valves.
So Tesco trucks will queue up with Mobil or BP trucks to get the same fuel but usually without the additive.
The additives themselves were a fairly aggresive solvent requiring special pipework and filters. Brass mesh filters were allegedly dissolved by some of these additives.
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As has been mentioned by others it's the tax that makes up a considerable amount of the fuel costs (aprox 65%), remember you are paying VAT and then Fuel Duty. The refineries have no control over this.
Recent price rises however have been imposed by the producers. This is due to the cost per barrel of oil going up because of shortages caused by recent events in Iraq and Hurricane Katrina damaging allot of rigs and US refineries. The prices per barrel will more than likely start falling as the damaged rigs and refineries are starting to come back online.
A breakdown of UK fuel per ltr (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/business_petrol_pricing/html/1.stm)
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.......also we moan about the tax but how else can they raise the revenue to fund the NHS, emergency services, Education System Benefit’s system, Transport infrastructure, thieving, no good ba..... err politicians etc the list is endless.
A country isn’t a cheap thing to run.
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MrTFWitt is correct. The fuel is BS compliant and is the same in it's refined state regardless of the 'retailer'. Each retailer be it BP, Jet, Texaco or Tesco add their own additives, that's what makes the difference to the fuel we buy and it's why they can claim one fuel is better than another or we can claim someones elses is rubbish.
The tankers that supply the forecourts all get their fuel from their 'local' distribution depot (remember bunsfield?) and the two main UK refiners for UK distribution are BP & Esso, that's why they make so much money, they are getting a slice from every brand of fuel sold.
Distribution comes down to costs and BP in particular supply the WHOLE of Scotlands fuel, regardless of who sells it. Why would a Jet garage in Aberdeen bring a tanker up from the UK when it can get it on the doorstep, it's the cheaper option. Likeswise why would BP send a tanker from Scotland down to Watford when it can buy it from ESSO on it's doorstep ?
Buying fuel from a different retailer other than BP or Esso does not effect consumption and therefore does not effect the volume of fuel both BP and Esso sell, wholesale.
Now here's a thought... Esso pump fuel up from Southampton to Hemel Hempstead via a network of underground pipes. It's then distributed locally to which ever retailer needs it. Why on earth can't the water companies do the same? The fuel distribution network works, everyone gets fuel and we 'never' run out, they buy and sell and distribute amongst themselves. It's not as if the water companies haven't got the cash !
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...and i bet it dont leak either!
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Spend £50 at Tesco and get 5p a litre off you fuel, go on, do it. They are giving their fuel away and the rest of the industry hates them, I had friend who worked in the industry and I've heard it first hand.
I saved £4.50 today taking the LSE in to Tesco (shame I picked the most expensive Tesco :roll: ) and if the fools are going to keep doing that, I'm going to keep shopping there.
.....Tesco arent the 'Fools' - they love people like you - you ll fill your tank rather than 'just put a tenner in it' and then do your shopping there - its all about margin and they dont really care where it comes from as long as they make the % £ s whether it be kiosk, grocery, non foods, petrol dot.com, etc one division subsidises/supports the other. Tou ARE paying for this discount in your shopping basket.
Who remembers a loaf of bread for 5p - how did they do that? wow - nobody noticed the price of butter and marg rise at the same time?!
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...and i bet it dont leak either!
Ahhhhh, well that would be because the piplines were originally built for military use to move fuel around the country in WW2.
They dont leak as they were built to spec, not built to cost!
Not sure about Buncefield being fed from Southampton, I thought it was fed from Coryton by pipeline. Wymondham in Norfolk is fed by pipeline from Essex.