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Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: marjan on August 01, 2006, 19:12:07: Just got the latest TOR mag and have fallen in love!.

The new Bowler Nemesis is on the cover, what a machine :shock:
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Brains on August 01, 2006, 19:45:50: =P~ =P~ =P~ =P~

Might see one in the fields in Hazelwood soon then :D :D
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Post by: Edge on August 01, 2006, 20:53:45: Wish i had Ã‚Â£120k to blow :D :D :D :D , would be nice to do the shopping in a nemesis :D
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Post by: annabelle on August 03, 2006, 21:55:03: :D That is "car porn", I had to go and have a lie down after seeing those pics! We are going to have to sell the house.
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Post by: bullfrog on August 03, 2006, 22:29:53: Anyone got any pics of it they could post as have not seen mag in shops round here ! :)
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Post by: robpark on August 03, 2006, 23:58:17: Found this on t'internet....drool...

(can someone explain why this attachment is shown as a 'download' when others I've done just display as a picture??)
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Post by: sleeplessparadise on August 04, 2006, 07:30:27: It also features in this months LRE :wink:
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Post by: ian_s on August 04, 2006, 08:38:17: its not quite as scary as the wildcat tho is it?
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Post by: bullfrog on August 04, 2006, 09:15:53: Having seen a pic I am dissapointed.
Is it space frame or just a ponced about RR sport ?
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Post by: Wolfie on August 04, 2006, 09:27:28: The pictutre that robpark posted looks to me like a very early development hack. The pictures in TOR are significantly different. There are a few details on Bowler's website (http://www.bowler-offroad.com/Promofade.html).

Can't wait to see one.

Wolfie
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Wolfie on August 04, 2006, 09:39:32: Looking around the net a bit more, have found this (http://rovering.squarespace.com/journal/2006/7/13/introducing-the-bowler-nemesis.html) which are, from memory, the same CGI renderings in TOR.

Regards

Wolfie
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Post by: Eeyore on August 04, 2006, 10:58:30: Quote from: "bullfrog"

Is it space frame or just a ponced about RR sport ?

It'll be a spaceframe when it's finished, and by my reckonings about 900-1000kgs lighter (in National Spec) than the RRS.

Could be pretty sweet. 8)

cheers
8)
Eeyore
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Post by: bullfrog on August 04, 2006, 13:58:47: Looks better ! Is it actually going to be made then or is it a promo ?
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Post by: dew1911 on August 04, 2006, 14:17:25: Ahhh the Straycat evolves! Looks nice as well, using a large percentage of Off the Shelf RRS Parts.
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Post by: Wolfie on August 04, 2006, 14:37:06: Quote from: "bullfrog"
Looks better ! Is it actually going to be made then or is it a promo ?

Yes, it will be made, quote below from link posted earlier.

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The Range Rover Sport-based Nemesis will make its competition debut next January, in the Dakar Rally, the worldÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s toughest motor sport event, to be driven by Frenchman Thierry Charbonnier. Sales to leading privateers who compete in rally raids and other forms of off-road motor sport will begin soon after.

The idea of satellite TV just got more appealing.

Regards

Wolfie
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Post by: Henry Webster on August 04, 2006, 14:41:12: Quote from: "Wolfie"

The idea of satellite TV just got more appealing.

And you'll be able to watch the coverage of the Baja GB on Sky Sport's World Motorsport programme, too!

H
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Post by: Wolfie on August 04, 2006, 14:50:49: Quote from: "Henry Webster"
coverage of the Baja GB on Sky Sport

In B&W :?: :wink:

Wolfie
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Henry Webster on August 04, 2006, 14:53:48: Quote from: "Wolfie"
Quote from: "Henry Webster"
coverage of the Baja GB

In B&W :?: :wink:

Wolfie

Well the important bits will be! :D

H
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Eeyore on August 04, 2006, 15:22:15: Quote from: "dew1911"
Ahhh the Straycat evolves! Looks nice as well, using a large percentage of Off the Shelf RRS Parts.

Actually, less than you think. :wink:

cheers
8)
Eeyore
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Henry Webster on August 04, 2006, 16:05:48: Quote from: "Eeyore"
Quote from: "dew1911"
Ahhh the Straycat evolves! Looks nice as well, using a large percentage of Off the Shelf RRS Parts.

Actually, less than you think. :wink:

This from the press release struck me as strange!

Quote from: "The Land Rover Chronicles"
Suspension is all bespoke, featuring immensely strong long travel coil-over-damper units using Range Rover Sport main geometry.

Standard geometry, surely not! :wink:

H
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Post by: dew1911 on August 04, 2006, 16:17:55: Quote from: "Eeyore"
Quote from: "dew1911"
Ahhh the Straycat evolves! Looks nice as well, using a large percentage of Off the Shelf RRS Parts.

Actually, less than you think. :wink:

cheers
8)
Eeyore

I remember the previous Debate, hence why I didn't actually put a Number ;)
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Eeyore on August 04, 2006, 16:18:22: Quote from: "Henry Webster"

Standard geometry, surely not! :wink:

LR spent a fair whack o' spendables on getting high-speed handling right on the RRS. :wink: Bowler will now be doing what they did with the DII - improving it - no point reinventing the wheel! Be interestin' to see if they build any adjustment into it.

The front wishbones look fairly 'substantial' to say the least!

cheers
8)
Eeyore
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Henry Webster on August 04, 2006, 16:34:10: Quote from: "Eeyore"
LR spent a fair whack o' spendables on getting high-speed handling right on the RRS. :wink: Bowler will now be doing what they did with the DII - improving it - no point reinventing the wheel! Be interestin' to see if they build any adjustment into it.

The front wishbones look fairly 'substantial' to say the least!

I agree, and am the first to suggest keeping things standard - I race with a std 3.9 after all! Alot to be said for using the considerable development budgets of manufacturers to your advantage. I am well aware how good the high speed handling on the RRS is, just surprised that the suspension geometry will be compatible with the long travel needed for a successful rally raid truck. Independent suspension and long travel is a little more complicated to get right than the live axle DII set up.

That being said, I know there are some restrictions on how much travel you can have in the rules these days.

H
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Eeyore on August 04, 2006, 16:53:00: Quote from: "Henry Webster"

That being said, I know there are some restrictions on how much travel you can have in the rules these days.

Yeah, I'd heard that too. I wonder how that'll impact on the Amercian style pro-trucks that are increasingly rearing thier heads, as they seem to be built on huge travel. Watch this space, as they would say!

cheers
8)
Eeyore
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Post by: Henry Webster on August 04, 2006, 16:59:14: Thay've not been that successful in European/African style rally raid events though have they? Maybe they are already handicapped.

H
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Post by: Eeyore on August 04, 2006, 23:17:41: Quote from: "Henry Webster"
Thay've not been that successful in European/African style rally raid events though have they? Maybe they are already handicapped.

Yeah, something about 'going round corners' and 'sustained effort' seems to be their downfall. Okay, so the Baja is a thousand miles, but that's only three days of Dakar. :lol:

cheers
8)
Eeyore
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Wolfie on August 04, 2006, 23:22:50: Quote from: "Eeyore"
Okay, so the Baja is a thousand miles

So that's why we've got to be ready for a radio check at 4am. :shock:

Oh, you mean the original, not BAJA GB

Regards

Wolfie
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Eeyore on August 04, 2006, 23:27:31: Quote from: "Wolfie"

Oh, you mean the original, not BAJA GB

Er....yes.

......but seven laps of Radnor is gonna feel like a thousand miles! :twisted:

The Nemesis can't come soon enough! :wink:

cheers
8)
Eeyore
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Wolfie on August 04, 2006, 23:32:03: Quote from: "Eeyore"
......but seven laps of Radnor is gonna feel like a thousand miles! :twisted:

You're not wrong there, having seen the stage map there's probably more corners on 1 lap than in the whole of the BAJA 1000. Man it was bad enough on the short stages of YRBC.

H hope you're feeling fit.

Regards

Wolfie
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Henry Webster on August 07, 2006, 13:46:31: Quote from: "Wolfie"
Quote from: "Eeyore"
......but seven laps of Radnor is gonna feel like a thousand miles! :twisted:

You're not wrong there, having seen the stage map there's probably more corners on 1 lap than in the whole of the BAJA 1000. Man it was bad enough on the short stages of YRBC.

H hope you're feeling fit.

Regards

Wolfie

Not particularly - I'm running out of time to get fit as well! :wink: Mind you anything will be easy after the mammoth 24mile stage on the Scottish. That's a killer for both cars and crews.

MuddyMoo is coming on though, fitted new rad and rebuilt front axle corner yesterday.
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Post by: andycwb on August 07, 2006, 14:27:10: Yeah, but would it have made it through here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37573291@N00/208376790/in/set-72157594226694120/)?
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Eeyore on August 07, 2006, 15:07:04: Quote from: "andycwb"
Yeah, but would it have made it through here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37573291@N00/208376790/in/set-72157594226694120/)?

Quite likely, yes - you'll be hitting it a lot faster than you would in your road car. :twisted: That and a more appropriate set of tyres! :wink:

...and if Bowler are reading this, I'll happily test the theory for them! :lol:

'Big up' for the guy in the piccy though - using the car properly. Sweet.

cheers
8)
Eeyore
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Henry Webster on August 07, 2006, 15:18:16: Quote from: "andycwb"
Yeah, but would it have made it through here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37573291@N00/208376790/in/set-72157594226694120/)?

As Eeyore said - highly likely, unless...

...there was a faster route! :wink: :lol:
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Post by: Thrasher on August 07, 2006, 15:21:58: Hmmmm RR54 MUD .....

/me arches an eyebrow ;-)

He needed some MT/R's - then he'd have flown it.
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Post by: andycwb on August 07, 2006, 15:30:49: Quote from: "Thrasher"
Hmmmm RR54 MUD .....

/me arches an eyebrow ;-)

I'm pretty sure I saw LR05 MUD on a Disco 3 there as well. You don't have a monopoly on the MUD letters..... :D

Quote from: "Thrasher"
He needed some MT/R's - then he'd have flown it.

I don't know. I don't think I saw anyone make it through there - I didn't even attempt it (though I did pretty much the rest of the site!)
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: Very Annoyed on September 08, 2006, 19:01:32: Talking about my RRS then! No way anyone would make it through there unless serious speed achieved. Also full of flint will kill wheels/tyres! Had fun though! :D
Title: Bowler Nemesis!.
Post by: andycwb on September 08, 2006, 19:22:55: I did see some people make it through there. Lots of speed, mud tyres and gritted teeth.

I don't know if you'd intended to get in there, or realised how deep it was, but full marks to you for bringing the RRS along and having a go. I did something similar with my P38A just after I got it, and decided trashing something cheaper was a better option!
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Post by: Very Annoyed on September 08, 2006, 19:43:30: A little more speed would have been good. Probably would not have done it if I knew what was in there, but thought a little bit of mud is ok but the flint was the killer!