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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Miniman on August 26, 2006, 16:38:39
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I have changed over to Bio diesel now and have been for the last 2 Months. I get alot better MPG its more powerfull and runs alot quieter. Its cheeper and I am a member of the club they run so if there is a Fuel shortage I am one of a group who is guaranteed Fuel.
If ya dont think its worth it I am living proof.
Dont fill a tank full and think it will just give you instant MPG it dont work like that. It cleans ya system out first. Then ya need to change ya fuel filter after a month and see what muck its cought. Works guys and girls and at 88p a liter I am keeping on the stuff.....
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Check out the link for more info. http://www.ecobiodiesel.co.uk/contact.htm
I would like to know if anybody else uses it ?
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Are you putting in your own mixture into the tank or not Miniman? The weather has a huge effect on biodiesel as you are most likely aware, in the winter you can't run with as much veg oil in the tank as you can in the summer heat.
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No I am buying the proper stuff. 88p a Liter. Hey you changed ya name.....
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:lol: hmm looks good and im all up a cleaner landy!!!
Only problem i can see is the location of the garage to fill up.
So how come this aint more known and widespread as it is all positive effects and is there not any way you can get a discount on road tax??
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havnt heard from you in a while chris, hows things.
by the way, where do there sell the stuff?
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Yes Miniman, I did change my username. Anyway, you can make a greater saving by using your own veg and diesel mixture in the tank. Infact you could get the veg oil for free from chippys and such, as it's used and apparantly used veg oil is better than unused veg oil for a diesel engine. So all you would have to pay on the veg oil is tax! For winter I think it's recommended to run 25% Veg and 75% Diesel, but in summer you can run up to even 75% Veg and 25% Diesel. A large part in this depends on the weather, as the colder it is the more gloopy the veg oil is and it will block the fuel lines in cold temperatures if there is too much veg in comparison to diesel for the weather.
So how come this aint more known and widespread as it is all positive effects and is there not any way you can get a discount on road tax??
Because the government wants to keep it quiet as they can't tax it like they can tax normal diesel and petrol! :wink:
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Yes Miniman, I did change my username. Anyway, you can make a greater saving by using your own veg and diesel mixture in the tank. Infact you could get the veg oil for free from chippys and such, as it's used and apparantly used veg oil is better than unused veg oil for a diesel engine. So all you would have to pay on the veg oil is tax! For winter I think it's recommended to run 25% Veg and 75% Diesel, but in summer you can run up to even 75% Veg and 25% Diesel. A large part in this depends on the weather, as the colder it is the more gloopy the veg oil is and it will block the fuel lines in cold temperatures if there is too much veg in comparison to diesel for the weather.
So how come this aint more known and widespread as it is all positive effects and is there not any way you can get a discount on road tax??
Because the government wants to keep it quiet as they can't tax it like they can tax normal diesel and petrol! :wink:
Whilst this is great in concept, you are missing an awful lot of info, you cannot use WVO (waste oil) straight in your engine, it needs straining through many filers from course right down to 10 micron (or similar), this also means heating and storing the oil, then if you have any sense you will need to process it into proper bio-diesel and remove the acids and other nasties, yes, strained WVO can be used but i wouldnt!
Back to the origional topic, it seems great, and 88p is certainly good but its bleeding miles away. I'd be interested in one of their 1000 litre drums though but then the problem is needing a pump to fill from and somewhere to put the stuff too!!
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Whilst this is great in concept, you are missing an awful lot of info, you cannot use WVO (waste oil) straight in your engine, it needs straining through many filers from course right down to 10 micron (or similar), this also means heating and storing the oil, then if you have any sense you will need to process it into proper bio-diesel and remove the acids and other nasties, yes, strained WVO can be used but i wouldnt!
Oh, okay. I just know of a few people who have run their 2.25 Diesels on it like this without any problems apart from a fuel blockage in the pump once when they got the mixture accidently wrong and it was a very very cold day.
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I ran me old 90 full time on veg oil from netto during the first winter, there was no bother at all, just the usual chip pan smell!
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Hmm. I do know that differant fuel pumps will have differant tolereances to veg oil quantities/thickness. Some pumps don't like the stuff at all while others are fine with it.
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88p a litre? You are being robbed Chris :wink: We have seen it at 76p ish but not local enough for us to get it :(
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88p a litre? You are being robbed Chris :wink: We have seen it at 76p ish but not local enough for us to get it :(
Where is this?
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It's out on the York road A64 :D
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Yes the who process of making your own Bio fuel is a pain in the butt. Its not just one filter to do it properly its 4 and a heater and a tank and a pump to force it throught the first filter then when you have it all set up the Goverment need to come round to your house or garage to check it all out. Then every month you need to tell them how much you use and pay them the tax per litre you use......
They are dumb...... OH YES SIR I ONLY USED 50L THIS MONTH......HONEST......LMAO
I have no idea where all your local BioDiesel stations are but if you look about there all over I know there is one in liverpool one in preston but as for you lads you will have to look at The Tinternet and find your local place. If you motor has rubber fuel lines they MUST be changed or the chemicals eat away at it......
You can also bring ya own barrel and he will fill it up for you and that is another way of doing it.....
Helen Try here they sell it.
Sunside Service Station Ltd
Saddleworth Road
Greetland
Halifax
West Yorkshire
HX4 8LZ
tel: 01422 373127
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havnt heard from you in a while chris, hows things.
by the way, where do there sell the stuff?
Sorry. All right mark, yep things fine up here got a 90 now and I love it. How is the project going she been good to ya. I suppose its on the road now. Are ya coming to langley farm not to big a drive for ya....
As for the BioDiesel you will have to look at the net for it in your area...
Try this link http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/
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Cheers Chris :wink:
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Na problem darling. If ya get talking to em find out how much per liter it is for us will ya. Also if ya buying it from them check and see if they pay the tax on it for you. If so which is more than likely. Also every time ya fill up get a recipt so if ya get dipped you have the proof. This way you dont have to register that you are running on it and its all legal.
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88p/litre, thats a bit pricey, its only 75p over here!
Its cracking stuff! Wouldnt change back at all!
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So you get some nice MPG out of it aswell..... What motor is it you use it in. Mine is a 2.5 N/A
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OK - now I am VERY interested in using this stuff in my 300 TDI Disco.
Looking around, there are not many places selling this stuff - can you recommend a good place that will deliver?
We now need some BIO Fuel stickers :wink:
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Well I cant help you as to where you can get it from mate down your way. All I can tell ya is to check the Internet and see where. Have you looked at the last link I put up ? http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/
People also ask Why use BioDiesel
Biodiesel has superior lubrication capabilities and increases engine life.
When burnt, biodiesel emits the same amount of CO2 as the plants absorb in growth. (Closed CO2 cycle).
Biodiesel is produced from renewable materials.
Biodiesel contains practically no sulfur. (0.001%)
Biodiesel considerably decreases soot emissions. (Up to 50%)
Biodiesel contains no benzole or other carcinogenic polyaromatic components.
Biodiesel easily decomposes biologically and in the case of an accident no harm is done to the soil or ground water.
Biodiesel is considered non-hazardous (flashpoint above 110°C).
Biodiesel is an ecologically beneficial alternative to conventional diesel fuel.
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I wish I could find a decent bio-diesel outlet down 'ere. there are a few places who sell 5% but thats about it.
I've gone down the veg oil route, am currently running on 10% veg oil and will be working my way upto 50% over the next few months.
All registered with the Revenue boys now too. It would be considerably less of a pain in the ass to get biodiesel from someone else with tax already paid.
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All looks very interesting, BUT!!!
I am of the understanding that TAX is paid as a percentage of the cost of an item. IE, if I earn 3 grand a month I pay lots of tax, if I earn 500 quid a month I pay very little.
Or for example, I pay VAT on an item, I obviously pay more for an expensive item by comparison to a cheap item.
If I get free oil from the local chippy(free/gratis/no cost) Then how can I be expected to pay a tax? If its calculated as a percentage, then any percent of '0' is nowt!
How can this tax on recycled veg oil be legal?
Rollazuki :?:
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Alot of the places which supply it in bulk dont use recycled veg oil but rapeseed oil. Mine does so its very pure. 88p a liter I pay for mine and its well worth it. My MPG has shot up big time and the TAX is paid for me so if I was VAT registered then it be even better. Not sure what the VAT is on it but I think if you make it yourself you have to pay them 27p per liter so if my fuel place is paying 27p VAT that would mean 61p a liter which is alot cheeper than 98p for normal Diesel. I am not entirely sure what you are trying to say but thats just me being thick......he he
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Apparently rapeseed oil makes the best bio-diesel. But mine is made from waste oil (WVO), i get better MPG from running straight bio diesel and didnt have to modify the fuel system at all, my engine runs a little hotter but thats normal apparently. The Tax on the biodiesel i buy is 25p a litre
I run it in a 200ti 90. Apparently you cant run common rail diesels (i.e TD5) on it!
Although the performance stats for biodiesel are no different for normal diesel, im sure my landy goes better on it!
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Yes mine defo runs better and is alot better MPG. I also think its smoother the engine. It took a while to clean the system but now its top. Anybody tell me who runs a td5 on it. I have a mate who is running a commonrail diesel on it. So maybe its just some different types of motors which dont run on it.
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i get it for 60p from alison racing by me :twisted:
only coz he no's me usual price 86p
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The big question is. Does he pay the tax for you or are ya just getting it tax free. If ya getting it tax free then if ya get pulled you will be done just like you was running red diesel. Always get a recipt.
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MINIMAN you missed one off your list
When the diesel engine was first developed the original concept was a non petrochemical engine (I may be wrong but the design brief was from Hitler at the start of one of the WW's) and the result was the diesel engine that ran on veggie oil.
The engine has been re-designed over the years to run on heavy oil with input from certain compainies
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ok this has been confusing me for a while now, so someone educate me -
what is best to run my 200tdi on other than diesel, and what do i need to do it? where can i get the stuff to run it/the stuff i'd need from, and how much for?
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Right if you look down the post at my posts somwhere I posted a website which tells you where to buy the stuff. They refer to the fuel in % so if ya see 5% drive away....he he. you want 80% or like me 100%. I use a place in Burnley Lancashire Its price is 88p a liter. Have a search on the internet for places which sell it in your area. All you need to put in ya search is something like BioDiesel and the area you live in. The stuff is brill. I cant tell people how good it is. At first you will notice a drop in power when ya first use it. But after you have used about Half a tank you will find it is running alot better. I run only on the stuff now. If I go away I usualy take a barrel full with me. I am off up to DrumClog on the 28TH september and I will be taking 2 barrels with me. I probably get about 60 to 70 miles more out of a full tank now. It was Very thirsty on normal Diesel. As you run on the stuff it cleans out your fuel system so after a while may be 2 months depends on how many miles you do you will have to change your Fuel Filter.
Just found this have a read....
Why use biodiesel?
Biodiesel has been demonstrated to have significant environmental benefits in terms of decreased global warming impact , reduced emission , greater energy independence and a positive impact on agriculture .
Various studies have estimated that the use of 1 kg of biodiesel leads to the reduction of some 3 kg of CO 2. Biodiesel is extremely low in sulphur and has a high lubricity and fast biodegradability. These are all advantages which have been confirmed by the Auto Oil II programme.
Increased use of biodiesel in Europe represents an important step for the European Union in meeting its emission reduction target as agreed under the Kyoto agreement. It is believed that reducing emission also alleviates various human health problems.
In specific cases, used vegetable oils can be recycled as feedstock for biodiesel production. This can reduce the disposal of used oils in the environment.
Biodiesel production also plays a useful role in agriculture. Under the current Common Agricultural Policy, the arable raw materials needed for biodiesel production may be grown on set-aside land which would otherwise be taken out of production.
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£1.72 a litre by mail order :shock:
think i'll stick to dino juice
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Oh you found the website. He He. Na some places sell it from the pump like the place I buy it from. You can take Drums or a big Tank to them and they will fill that for ya aswell at 88p per liter. That website you was looking at you failed to mention its Mail Order......
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90.9 at my nearest place, not gono bother...... :shock:
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The big question is. Does he pay the tax for you or are ya just getting it tax free. If ya getting it tax free then if ya get pulled you will be done just like you was running red diesel. Always get a recipt.
nope tax payed, fully lagit, do you really think i would risk my land rover getting crushed by using summat that isnt lagit, ie red diesel or central heating oil.
simply isnt worth the risk !!
and im asking all you out there that ARE running with red in, cos there bound be a few on this forum (but dont say anythin)........ is it worth the risk !
danny
o and on a brighter note..... i got 32.6 mpg on way ome from wales with 35 in simex on :twisted: im well chuffed
darent have even looked at the figures a couple of months ago
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I would use it if I did'nt get my Diesel at about 65p a litre
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Legit that is too!
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In Liverpool (were I am) there are 3 outlets for Bio that I'm aware of!
78.9p a litre
regular diesel is 94.9p
Not all engines are suitable for Bio Diesel.... my Company car a toyota had its injectors knackered by it after just 3 tanks over 4 months !!!!
Its not true that bio is a better lubricant per se, as thats what the problem is with some common rail diesel engines the bio can lubricate at high pressures.
Still in my 200TDi or a 300TDi I'd use it as it seems to work better but on some older engines it may not be good long term as there is no sulphur in it and that gets used for lubricant.
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This is just what this post needs your figures and ideas.
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would the bio screw up a 300 disco, the very late 300's with the leccy injector things (dont do 300's if u already aint guessed lol, more 200 man )
me grandad itchin 2put sum in but im stopping him, cuz if it goes T**** up i gotta fix it
danny
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I know people who use Bio from a pump in a 300 Disco with no problems.
I thought all pre TD5 engines had a "old fashioned" diesel pump i.e. a mechanical pump that directs fuel to the engine ???
that were driven by the cambelt ........
http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/approvals.htm
this link may help on technical side of things...
remember that Pump Bio is made to ISO and is a world away from DIY Veg oil....
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o what the hell, worst that can happen is it wont run :lol:
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the only thing that sways me is, if i put biodiesel in, when i need to use regular diesel at some point (inevitable - we can only put 20 quid in our tank at the mo :() then ill have to fart about with the filter again?
i doubt biodiesel pumps are easy to find in the first place, nevermind when you're about to run out in the middle of the night!!!!
just makes me question, is it worth it for a saving of a few pennies?
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there is no problem using bio and normal,
The reason they say to change the filter is the first time you use it the Bio has a serious cleaning effect on the fuel system and all sorts of crud comes out.
After that its no problem, I use Bio most of the time as I have a garage just down the road, but when I'm out and about I just use what ever is at hand normaly Derv.
Using pump Bio in a 200TDi or 300TDi is fine, no problem at all and worth it ! better MPG, cleaner emissions amd quieter... oh and a nice burger van smell for the exhaust !
BTW as for worst that can happen... in the case of my company car £3500 of engine damage... not the engine its self all the fuel system ! but that will not happen to a "basic" land rover engine.
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Yes he is right. There are certain vehicles which use some sort of synthetic rubber seal in the injector pump and fuel delivery pump. As for where £3500 came from I would like to see the bill. Also I was earlyer on about the fuel freezing in winter which I would think they was on about SVO ( USED CHIPPY OIL ). My fuel is rapeseed and they buy it in NEW.
Biodiesel made from a Rapeseed crop (RME) will not freeze and can be used at 100% all year round in the UK.
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what vehical, you could get a new engine for that much :shock:
doesnt matter if it goes kaput anyhows..... as ill kindy buy it at a discounted price as its a non runner, n fit it in mine :twisted:
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So so far
2.25 D
2.5 D
2.5 TD
200 TDI
300 TDI
All run fine on the stuff oh yeh and the perkins 4203s aswell...he he
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i wounder if i could convice this guy hu i h8, to try his td5 onit :lol:
or is that way to cruel ?
he got more money than brains btw !
2 td5 90's and 1 td5 disco 4 mrs
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I think you be supprised it will run on it but yes do it.... he can be our test goat....hehe....
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your on :twisted:
will post results :twisted:
he always complaining about fuel prices !!
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what vehical, you could get a new engine for that much :shock:
doesnt matter if it goes kaput anyhows..... as ill kindy buy it at a discounted price as its a non runner, n fit it in mine :twisted:
Well it was my 18 month old Company car...
4 x injectors for a Toyota Avensis D4D apparently £1200 worth !!!
then 12 hours labour + all other bits.....
The joys of Toyota.... lucky for me I was able to prove I had asked the garage before I used it they said "should be OK" they now say "NO WAY" but as I pointed out when I first asked no one had a clue !
But yes its the rubber used in the system that causes the problem Bio diesel disolves it !
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Have seen first hand that many modern engines wont run on bio(I work in a Toyota Garage(also Hyundai experience))
If its direct injection, Id say forget it.
Its not a case of it'll just stop, its a new lift pump, high pressure pump, injectors...blah blah blah.
These prices you have been given for injectors etc sound about right, theyre expensive beasts these days.
Has anyone on here tried blending straight veg oil(svo) or waste veg oil(wvo) with regular diesel(paying tax of course...)
or using a single or double tank with heaters etc????
Im wondering about blending a little svo with diesel on fill ups, having got a tax cert from C&E first.....
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Can anyone tell me where I can apply for the correct form for using or making my own svo :?: , as I would like to pay my tax's :shock:
Thanks in advance, John.
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If anyone does know of people running TD5's on 100% Bio then please let me know as i'm itching to try it but definatly not willing to be a test guneapig!!
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Yes fella I used to mix my Morrisions veg oil with diesel at a 50% / 50% mix. But I now just run on the proper stuff from the pump. Not even mixed it as yet with proper diesel but it mixes fine anyway.....yes its not a problem I can give you a 100% YES on mixing it.....
ANYBODY USED BIODIESEL ON A TD5
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Has anyone on here tried blending straight veg oil(svo) or waste veg oil(wvo) with regular diesel(paying tax of course...)
or using a single or double tank with heaters etc????
Im wondering about blending a little svo with diesel on fill ups, having got a tax cert from C&E first.....
I've done plenty of internet research and am now running my 200TDi on DERV + veg oil. Currently only on 10% veg but I will be working my way up to about 50%, already feels smoother (though that could be wishful thinking on my part) and a subtle chippy smell.
and YES, I'm registered with the HMRC chaps so I can pay tax every month on it.
Only prob now is finding good cheap veg oil. THe cheapest I've found is about 54p in supermarkets. I'm trying to get a collegue of mine involved as he has the facilities (barn) to filter waste veg oil (hes got a 300tdi and an old Mercedes which can run on 100% veg oil)
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Has anyone on here tried blending straight veg oil(svo) or waste veg oil(wvo) with regular diesel(paying tax of course...)
or using a single or double tank with heaters etc????
Im wondering about blending a little svo with diesel on fill ups, having got a tax cert from C&E first.....
I've done plenty of internet research and am now running my 200TDi on DERV + veg oil. Currently only on 10% veg but I will be working my way up to about 50%, already feels smoother (though that could be wishful thinking on my part) and a subtle chippy smell.
and YES, I'm registered with the HMRC chaps so I can pay tax every month on it.
I WANT to pay my tax as well can you tell me how to get the relavant forms & where from,
Thanks John.
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He He starange how nobody can tell you. LMAO..... Just search the net mate you7 got it in front of you. Just type in HM Customs and excise bio diesel.
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some good advice here: http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
I'll try and find some other links, I found a copy of the form online a while ago. YOu just send off the form, they send a confirmation, then they send you a form every month for you to declare how much you've used and send it back with a cheque. You need to keep receipts for the oil you use for 6 years though!!
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Here ya go.....have a look at this.
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD1_024771&propertyType=document
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Can anyone tell me where I can apply for the correct form for using or making my own svo :?: , as I would like to pay my tax's :shock:
Thanks in advance, John.
Try Here (http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_001138&propertyType=document)
John - if you do start making it with success let me know. I don't have the room to make it myself, but would be happy to buy it from someone locally on a regular basis as there are no garages selling it around here (Redditch).
Horness
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here you go all you need to know regarding customs
200tdi 1/2 tank diesel 1/2 tank veg oil bounce over some speed ramps mixed job done 5000 miles no probs
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_001138&propertyType=document
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Wish mine would do 5000miles on a full tank of 50/50 mix.....something must be wrong with my engine.....LMAO
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lots more good info here:
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=20
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http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000205&propertyType=document#downloadopt
try this link to hmrc biofuels page
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On the phone as I type & have been for the last hour & still not got any where,
All I want is a form :twisted: ,
1 hour & twenty min's & a form is on it's way but will be at least a week as they are very busy at the mo withnmlot's of people apply for using biofuel :shock:
John.
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You need form EX103 to register as a biofuel producer
Even if mixing veg oil etc
Just ordered mine, on its way.......
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was editing as you posted that ex103 is on its way down south,
john.
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This is what I like to see ppl who can be bothered to produce there own fuel. Just think when ya driving down the road you will be driving in a cleaner 4x4xfar....hehe
Ya will save ya self a packet.....
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Well just tanked up with Bio. Another tank happily used! My bio is made from WVO, so i was worried about it waxing in the colder months, so i was going to mix it with 5% diesel as diesel waxes at a lower temp than bio, and in winter the fuel companies legally have to add things to the diesel to lower the waxing temp even further! But do you reckon you could get away with mixing it with red?
Im not saying you should try this, but i started out with bio by using a 70% central heating oil 30% veg oil (from the cash and carry) mix.
Central heating oil is cheaper than diesel, but doesnt have the lubricating properties of diesel, so you add the veg oil to get that back! I did that once, then went on to the real stuff!
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For off road use mate thats a brill idea.... So what ya tanked it up in ya TD5 or 200TDi
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Using Red diesel or heating oil in your vehicle on the road is a really bad idea. As you are not paying duty on it if you get caught then you lose your vehicle, get fined and no end of trouble.
Red diesel also stains the fuel system, so even one use will show residual markings and chemicals getting you into trouble.
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I just tanked up the 200tdi, im not brave enough to try the td5 :D
Yes, red does stain the fuel system.. But consider this.. the cleaning power of bio-diesel is very strong, will it allow the red diesel to stain the system?
Also, running a 5% red diesel to 95% bio, thats a really small percentage, so i dont think it will stain the system.
Your quite right smo, running central heating oil is illegal to run on the road, but is it illegal if you run it with a mix of veg oil and call it bio diesel? Im only guessing, i dont know :?
But as MiniMan says, it wouldnt bother anyone if you just used it off road!
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yes itll still be illegal !! so dont try it non of you :shock:
red or heating oil !!
even mixed in very small quantitys , if vosa pull you in LIKE ME ( saw a land rover........haha bound b summat wrong with that they thought !! NO actualy lol )
anhows...
red and heating oil both have a genetic code.a barcode as such... microscopic and when they dip your tank theyll pic up on the genetic codes and properties viscosity ect ect more complexed than that.......and they'll do you !!
ino cos me boss is being dun for central heating oil :lol:
3000 grand in back duty ect ect and the case still goes on 6 month later
end of the day its not worth it !
so stay on bio and all u td5s :lol: norm derv :twisted:
danny
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Just out of interest they dont dip you anymore one talks to you whilst the other sticks a probe up ya exhaust tested in 5 seconds. If ya running red ya car is taken off ya.....or even Bio if ya not paid the duty. Keep your receipts...
Alot quicker than the old way......
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unless sum 1 snitches ya, then they dip you at 5 oclock in the morning :wink:
when they pulled me in, they dipped my tank !
i was a complete n utter T*** tho, i wouldnt et them at 1st
asked for the statuary procedure...... if they dont follow this then the findings are voide
just waist there time a little i thought...since they waisting mine :twisted:
ooooo and also........... did you all know that no 1 can upose a fine on you ?
only a court of law can !!
as stated in the constitution
do a little research like me :wink: :wink:
but no one ever challenges any one, make it hard for them if they want take money off you
also, heres 1 4 ya ....... when its time to tax your car..land rover...ect ect
declair it as sorn 5 working days before expiery..... and then tax it on the day it expires..... messes the system up :wink: cost them alot of time :twisted:
and costs you sod all cos its a pre paid envalope :lol:
off the subject ino, but its true
as proven by me :D
no parking fine......got away scott free, musta cost them about 300 quid to take 50 quid off me, but in end cost them 350 quid :D all for standing up to your rights
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Ahhh, you see i didnt know that! Police over here arent the nasty people that you have in the UK!
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Ahhh, you see i didnt know that! Police over here arent the nasty people that you have in the UK!
Its VOSA who "dip test", and they are just as nasty on IOM as over here. There was a chap last year from memory on LRUK who got done for using RED in his LR over on IOM.
As for using ti offroad, as has been said - dont bother if you use it on road, as they dont differnetiate between the two without serious proof, which you wont have. If you want to run red offroad then you need a completely seperate fuel tank and system (filter/pump) etc and even then you'd have a job making them believe you.
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Ahhh, you see i didnt know that! Police over here arent the nasty people that you have in the UK!
can we swop :lol:
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Hehe, Ive only seen one vehicle tested for red diesel in 7 years! They usually appear round the farmers market, but dont seem to do anything!
But, like you say, it is totally illegal.. I just depends how smart you are i spose.
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10% veg and 90% diesel. Runs great, saved the recipts for paying duty, car smells like hot chip fat, cold starts great, runs great, I can tell no difference other than the smell.
Gonna up to 15% next fill up, then mebbe 20%.
Not economical at the mo, cause with duty Im gonna be paying the same sorta cost, but I know Im greener.
BUT, When I get a source for used veg oil, and filter and run that, Im gonna be onto a saving.
Vehicle has a Isuzu 1.7 Tdi motor(aka vauxhall astra/cavalier etc) with a Bosch diesel injection pump.
At 125 miles per week, Im gonna be a lot greener , and maybe a bit richer.
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At first I used to go to morrisons and buy 3 3Liter bottles throw that in the tank and then go to the fuel station and bang £20 in. Run like a dream and saved me the earth. I now have a proper blend from the pump which is 100% Rapeseed Oil which is supposed to be the best on the market and yep it is if ya ask me....
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just aquick tip mate. never use used oil, you will never in a million years clean it enough so its useable unless you have the correct equiptment, that im sure you dont have!
buy new!
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I thought if it was filtered to 10 microns, and left to settle/dried, it was ok?
Im guessing some form of pumped/powered filter would be needed really, gravity would be a long shot I guess.
Anyone got a good supplier/cost for oil, or do I just wait for Morrisons to have a 3 for 2 offer :lol:
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Costco are doing at about 45p a ltr, comes in 20 ltr tin's I think,
John.
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just aquick tip mate. never use used oil, you will never in a million years clean it enough so its useable unless you have the correct equiptment, that im sure you dont have!
buy new!
I second that. Its a filter once whilst warm then settle then filter again. I personaly would filter it a few times..... I have tryed but found Fuel filters needed buy the dozon...he he. You the correct gear if ya going to do old oil.....
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The thing with used vegatable that it has fat and sugars (glycerin mainly) in it that have to be taken out otherwise they leave nasty things in your engine!
The fats have to be emulsified and taken out..
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The problem with used is not the particle size...
The used oil has water sugars and starches in
when you use the correct processing equipment you get loads of water and glycerine out.
I would not use used oil full stop without processing it to remove the water etc.....
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But, like you say, it is totally illegal.. I just depends how smart you are i spose.
As you say, it's totally illegal. The smart thing to do therefore, is not to do it. :wink:
cheers
8)
Eeyore
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Yeah, that would be the thing. But ive done a diggin around, and found that there are two different types of red diesel
There is Gasoil, which is a lower quality diesel with red colour added to it.
OR
There is RED DIESEL, which is actually White Diesel with a red colour added to it, and is chemically identicle to White diesel, apparently.
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Right Landyloony has asked me if there are any BioDiesel fuel stations in Newcastle he is after using it. What I mean is are there any 100% Biofuel stations. 5% mix is no good at all it costs ya more and is only 5% Bio...
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There's a guy flogging Bio on fleabay at the moment - 80p a litre, minimum of 200 litres, and free delivery if within 50 mile radius of Welwyn.
http://www.expressbiofuels.co.uk/
Trev