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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Wanderer on October 05, 2004, 22:33:47
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If it was near April the 1st I'd have thought it was a wind up.
Got an email today (or yesterday) about a Haynes manual about where you can drive your 4x4 off road. It sounds as if it has loads of lanes in it.
Ed
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I've seen this too last week but cannot remember where. Bad memory :oops: Be interesting to see if this is fact, not fiction. Haynes may have come up with something useful for a change.
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Here it is:
http://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=24005&langId=-1
Pete.
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Well, Well, Well,
Looks like Haynes have done a manual that might be of use to us. :lol:
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"Getting home is the reverse procedure of getting here" 8)
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Amazon do it too. £11.49 new
second hand ones available :wink: cos were tight
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Free postage if you spend £19 or more.
Ed
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So who's going to order one and tell us if it's any good..?
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lol @ tim !!
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I'm just going to place a Haynes order for my business. I'll add one to the order. If anyone else wants one, I'll do it at £10 plus postage. Just let me know tonight so I can place the order tomorrow morning. But don't tell Haynes I'm discounting by that much :wink:
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I hope they've got a good set of guidelines printed in it.
The last thing we need are loads of people going out in large groups and/or overusing the lanes listed or ignoring TRO's.
Ed
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I agree 100%. Should have my copy on Friday. So I'll give you a run down on it then. It is hard to imagine what they are publishing really, given the rapidly changing nature of the subject. Still, it will be interesting if nothing else.
If it turns out to be OK. The offer will still stand. I will just have to add them to my routine orders from Haynes. On that basis, if anyone wants any Haynes publication, just let me know and I will tack it on to my next stock order. All I need is to show a teeny weeny profit on the sale to satisfy my business partner :lol:
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From what I have heard it is lanes previously covered in LRO. It appears to have been released in Jan 2004 but I'm surprised we've not heard of it before.
If it's like any other Hayne manuals you've got more chance of being bit by a strawberry than it having anything like the definative maps.
Ed
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:lol: :lol:
When I owned a 2CV (OK, stop laughing! It was a great car) one of the specialists suggested the best thing to do with a Haynes manual in winter was to set fire to it in your garage and warm your hands!
In their defence, the reprinted and updated books are actually quite good. It's the old versions that leave 'just a little' to be desired. One cop out in the Mini manual is the gearbox. It used to say with auto boxes to take it to a specialist. It has now ditched all info on manual boxes and says the same.
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Incidentally Ed, have you ever been bitten by a strawberry to be qualified in comparing it??? :lol: :lol:
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Mmmm
Come to think about it....
No I've never been bit by a strawberry.
Nor have I ever managed to find any rocking horse droppings.
Ed
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Just got my Haynes delivery and had a brief look at this book.
It is, as suggested, a series of LRO articles. It is nicely presented with good quality print. Most of the drives are based in the south with the most northerly being the Peak District and north Lincs.
As with the original articles, there are no specific route instructions. So this, rightly so, forces some homework to be able to plan your own route.
Rather worryingly, it mentions 'off-road' a little too often. Even the subtitle on the front cover is 'Where to go offroading in the UK'. Then the Forward mentions 'off-road drives' within the first 3 lines of text. Since when are byways 'off-road'?
It mentions all UCR's as all being drivable. Is this actually the case? I'm not so sure.
I've always found LRO to be rather contradictory when it comes to driving green lanes. I even wrote to them about a readers car picture that was completely covered in mud, I mean 'completely'. It was quoted as having just completed a green lane drive. For a magazine that suggests it is sensitive to these issues, why does it publish a picture of a car that has blatantly abused byway usage? Needless to say, my letter was never published.
Anyway, despite my concerns with the core publication, the book seems like a reasonable read.
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In their defence, my first experience of a workshop manual was for the MkII Esoct and it's b****y good. One of the few bits it doesn't takle is rebuilding a diff. Now in the Ford workshop manual, that section is thicker than the chapter on engines, and the list of special tools covers 3 pages!
If only they'd separate Range Rovers into Carbs models and EFi, the supliment is now twice the size of the manual and I only ever read chapter 13.
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I generally find Haynes publications very good. We sell several of their books. The old manuals can leave a little to be desired, but the new layout is much better. One thing they suffer from is the 'this is not a diy job, take the car to the garage' cop out. The early Mini manuals used to include a large section on the manual gearbox and leave the auto to the specialists (fair enough, I think). But in the new Mini issue, they have excluded manual gearbox rebuilding, using the 'not a diy job' phrase.
The old 2CV manual is simply wrong in many areas. If you followed their instruction on front swivel replacement you could actually cause damage to a suspension arm costing £150 to replace!
Their more general publications are normally very nicely printed and well presented. Usually can't fault them. My concerns with the LR Expeditions book lay with the LRO articles, not Haynes. But overall it is still a nice book and worth a read if you haven't got every issue of LRO.