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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: landyman Ash on November 22, 2006, 22:45:54
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Toms farms is a 600 acre off road site in Mid Wales.
Thats all I know, I need some contact details etc. Any ideas?
Cheers
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Tom is currently in jail for failing to comply with a court order AFAIK
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yup thats correct.
however i can reccommend Bernies site (tuff terrains) its called.
we go there all the time. in mid wales nr llandod.
pm me for details.
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The only thing I know about Tom's farm is that everyone seems to post the same query on different forums every so often but no one ever seems to give a answer with a location :(
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No point knowing the location cos you are likely to get arrested if you go there :shock:
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Seems Tom's been a naughty boy (http://www.shropshirestar.co.uk/2006/10/jail-term-for-sheep-farmer/) :oops:
Farmer Thomas Breese, from Mid Wales, was today beginning an 11-week jail term after he admitted breaching a court order banning him from keeping livestock
Were not even allowed to talk about "The Farm" on Difflocks forum :shock:
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No point knowing the location cos you are likely to get arrested if you go there :shock:
I'm talking about pre the first court case - now I've made the connection :lol:
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Toms farms is a 600 acre off road site in Mid Wales.
Thats all I know, I need some contact details etc. Any ideas?
Cheers
Come to clog its 1500 :lol: :lol:
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balls, was planning a trip in the new year with landys and bikes. TBM (trail bike magazine) has just done an article on it with directions and a contact number but apparently he never answers it anyway.
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considering he's been banged up for mistreating animals, i would have thought people should boycott him anyway.... hardly a nice sounding chap.........?
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....but its still a good offroad site
more people go, more he gets paid, = more food for animals
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....but its still a good offroad site
more people go, more he gets paid, = more food for animals
Huh ! You really think so ??
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Tom is currently in jail for failing to comply with a court order AFAIK
no he is in jail cos he had a order against him for cattle, council went around and found sheep on his farm :lol:
sent him down for 20 afink his son said :?
ash if your going let me know as me and a friend want go over there, just need to get this winch bumper made when i cba to do it :lol:
danny
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hardly a nice sounding chap.........?
More like a case of someone in their seventies no longer able to cope with running a farm and still farming in the same ways when he started some 50+ years ago. He makes more money from the off-roading anyway so could stop but more likely down to the fact that he's been doing it all his life and doesn't want someone telling him when to stop.
Not condoning mis-treatment of livestock but I'm also not one to wade in with aspersions not knowing all the facts either.
Cheers
Steve :)
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Copied this out of a news report...........
Farmer jailed for cruelty
Llandrindod magistrates handed out a jail sentence and dire warnings this week to a Rhayader farming couple banned for life from keeping sheep, cattle and pigs after causing unnecessary suffering to sheep on their farm.
Farmer Thomas Steven John Breese, 64, of Cwmderw, Pantydwr, was jailed for 11 weeks. His wife Elizabeth, 63, was told: “While he was in prison you will be deemed to have sole responsibility. If you are brought before the court again you can guess what the consequences will be.â€Â
At an earlier hearing at Merthyr Tydfil Crown Court, the Breeses lost an appeal against their conviction and were given seven days to clear all livestock off their land.
The court was told sheep at the farm had to be destroyed by vets because they were emaciated, anaemic, had lice and were too weak to stand.
The court was told both Mr and Mrs Breese have previously been subject to banning orders. Mr Breese was banned from keeping bovine animals and sheep for five years in 2001, and Mrs Breese was banned from having custody of bovine animals for five years in 2004.
Judge John Curran dismissed the appeal on four charges relating to four specific animals, and ordered the couple to pay £5,500 costs at £500 month.
At Llandrindod this week, Mr Breese was ordered to continue to pay the £250-a-month half share of that. Mrs Breese was ordered to continue to pay her half share, plus an additional £400 costs imposed by Llandrindod magistrates, still at £250 a month. Her existing community order for unpaid work was revoked, and a new one of 200 hours imposed.
Mr Nigel Vaughan, prosecuting, said the judge at Merthyr gave the Breeses 14 days to comply with the order to get all livestock off their land, and said that if that were not done a custodial sentence should be considered.
“But when officers visited the farm on July 24, 21 days after the 14-day order was imposed, Mr and Mrs Breese still had the same herd there, in direct contravention of the ban,†he said.
“They have now admitted they are in breach of the court order. I ask the magistrates to consider the seriousness of this matter in light of the Crown Court judge’s statement.â€Â
He said the Breeses had sold some of the sheep, but officers found other sheep still on the farm. “Mr Breese says the ownership of these sheep has been transferred to a farmer from Welshpool who is renting the grass keep, but there is no record of this transfer,†said Mr Vaughan.
He said the Breeses had a number of previous convictions and an assortment of orders had been made against them, but never before had a complete ban been imposed on the care, control or ownership of animals.
The Breeses asked at the Llandrindod hearing to have taken into consideration the matter of a ram found with its horn growing into its eye, damaging the eye and considered by a vet to be suffering distress. It had to be destroyed.
Mike Davies, defending, said the couple had been farming for well over 50 years. They were perhaps not in touch with modern farming methods.
“There has admittedly been a reluctance of Mr Breese’s part to accept the rulings but that doesn’t mean he has no remorse or that he doesn’t intend to abide by the rulings.â€Â
I notice they were already banned when they were caught again . Out of touch is one thing , but I think an ounce of common sense would tell anyone that these animals were in no fit state !
If the offroad site was as good as claimed - he should have concentrated on that . I don't think age is much of an excuse . I'm sure this "poor" farmer could have afforded a livestock keeper if he had cared to ?
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I am sorry, I dont care how old, poor, out of touch etc, anyone can see when an animal is in pain or mistreated. If they dont do anything about it then they deserve all they get.
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Having been there twice I do not consider that this farmer is in anyway financially poor, apart from in the common-sense department, the off-roading is great terrain, but there are no health and safety measures in place, nor is there any regard for the present or future care of the land. If some management plan were in place, parts of the land able to repair and regenerate after the damage of vehicles happened this place could be incredible and an absolute gold-mine.
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One issue here... there are restrictions on how often you can use land for non-agricultural purposes if it is classified as agricultural. For the farmer to concentrate on the off-road "business", there is a good possibility he would have to apply for planning permission for a change of use.
The above is meant for information... I'm not condoning poor treatment of animals... for that there is no excuse, especially if there is a history of it and court orders are in place.
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tom may be in prison yes thats true, but mrs breeze is endevouring to clean up the site, no more sheepy things to get in the way also.
no more moo cows also yippee they just make bigger dents on yer wings when they lean on them.
she is in the proccess of actually registering the site officialy but council boffins want tree on the land instead,
the court case for rergistering has been put back untill tom comes out of nick after crimbo.
as for the things he has done he is paying his time inside now and lets not forget that.......
the site is still open for off roading as per usual by mrs breeze.
myself and some others will be going back in may or june time for a long weekend of mud !!!!!
maps enclosed
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This site could be the best in the world but I would never knowingly line the pockets of someone that can be cruel to animals.
Rant over!
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This site could be the best in the world but I would never knowingly line the pockets of someone that can be cruel to animals.
Rant over!
Tend to agree, I'm not a bunny hugger by any means, I enjoy my field sports, but being cruel to an animal for no good reason is not on...
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freeagent wrote:
hardly a nice sounding chap.........?
More like a case of someone in their seventies no longer able to cope with running a farm and still farming in the same ways when he started some 50+ years ago. He makes more money from the off-roading anyway so could stop but more likely down to the fact that he's been doing it all his life and doesn't want someone telling him when to stop.
Not condoning mis-treatment of livestock but I'm also not one to wade in with aspersions not knowing all the facts either.
Cheers
Steve
its hardly wading in with an aspersion is it... i read the news report, so i do know all the facts, the animals were in such a bad way they had to be put down... now to me... that has all the trappings of being a not particularly nice sounding chap....
if you want to go and hand over some cash to him, knock yourself out, but i wouldn't want to give my money to someone like that.
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hi guys
in no way shape or form do i agree with wot tommy has done but as said previously he's doing his time and if mrs breeze is sorting the livestock issue then all good..
but IMHO instead of boycoting the site why not offer to help get it sorted??
its plain to see that they cant do it alone ..
this is all up in the air at present as the locals have decided to try and get it closed down for good
but on the other hand im sure they will miss the offroading trade that goes through rhayder every weekend???
just my 10 pence worth agree or dis-agree everyone has there opinion
simon :roll:
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hi guys
this is all up in the air at present as the locals have decided to try and get it closed down for good
simon :roll:
Now where do you get that one from? As far as I know that has not been raised, and as for immediate neighbours, there aren't any.
The questions that have to be asked, are,
Do they have planning permission to change from agricultural use to commercial?
Do they have Public Liability insurance , as required by ALL businesses, for the use they intend?
And I doubt that Rhayader would notice much loss of trade as most people appear to camp on site.
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Tom's Farm - Anyone know anything about it?
I've heard its brilliant.
I'm well up for a trip there sometime soon.
8)
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hi grahem info is from a local forestry worker i no who patrols and works all the woods surrounding the site
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I hope the locals succeed in closing the place down, people like that deserve to be living in a hovel not knowing where the next meal is coming from, just like the animals that they neglected. Karma is a wonderful thing!
Sorry, I promised myself I wouldn't get into this!
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I went there once and it's impressive. I got the impression Tommy did live in a hovel and quite probably did live very hand to mouth.
I doubt that he mistreated his animals with any malice just incompetence which is no excuse whatsoever.
I hope it gets sorted, he can sort out the animals and the site can be used.
Mike
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tom may be in prison yes thats true, but mrs breeze is endevouring to clean up the site, no more sheepy things to get in the way also.
no more moo cows also yippee they just make bigger dents on yer wings when they lean on them.
she is in the proccess of actually registering the site officialy but council boffins want tree on the land instead,
the court case for rergistering has been put back untill tom comes out of nick after crimbo.
as for the things he has done he is paying his time inside now and lets not forget that.......
the site is still open for off roading as per usual by mrs breeze.
myself and some others will be going back in may or june time for a long weekend of mud !!!!!
maps enclosed
Thanks mate. I dont want to get into the debate of the cows. I want to find the site and see whats it about. Nice one bud
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I heard a rumour that the sheep were wearing bobble hats at the time and that the authorities were not sure if they were of the human variety or not.
They plumped for the animals though as they felt they might not get a conviction for cruelty to ramblers in a welsh farming community.
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Thanks mate. I dont want to get into the debate of the cows. I want to find the site and see whats it about. Nice one bud
Entrance off the road at
SO023769
The actual farm house is
SO030787
Was there last weekend, i'm not sure exactly whats going on there at the moment, but all the livestock has gone, its now pays as you go in and they are taking reg numbers as you go in so its definantly more profesional that it used to be.
As for whats it about, its an ex hill farm which is very slippy in the wet with plenty of places to get stuck if your not careful. Theres not much water though there are some large muddy puddles, there is not much to winch off either so good ground anchors or plenty of other vehicles to winch off are usefull.
There are some pics of toms farm in my photo archive.
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but IMHO instead of boycotting the site why not offer to help get it sorted??
its plain to see that they cant do it alone ..
simon :roll:
Well, I'm sure the numerous pikeys who seem to live on the site (many in caravans fit only for burning; hence the 'van occupied' signs in many of them) would have been able to help, if it had been asked for. Tom and his wife seemed perfectly happy riding around on a quad talking to people all day long. As long-standing, experienced hill farmers, they should KNOW how to look after their livestock better than people with less experience.
For my 2 penn'orth; yes, it's a lovely part of the country, yes, it's a great off-roading site BUT there is NO marshalling, NO marked tracks or one way system, and apparently NO consideration or common sense from the dozens of dirt bike riders who hurtle around the site (and through our camp at 5.45 am!!) IMO it's an enormous accident just waiting to happen...
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balls, was planning a trip in the new year with landys and bikes. TBM (trail bike magazine) has just done an article on it with directions and a contact number but apparently he never answers it anyway.
he wont answer for a while, he,s in the nick :P
but is a great place to go, we go there about 10 times a year stay in a b&b down the road do toms and then have cruise round strata florida, im sure even tho toms not around it will still be open :)
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the thing is with tomms place you can do what you want and when you want, thats all prt of being there,
anybody who has been there recently will know about the registrations being taken down and names being taken also, these are for the books !!! and not for fun
the breezes are trying to get it registered as a proper off road course at the moment. if some of the people who actualy rant about him being a cruel bas...d then they must have not been there, i personaly know of a number of people who drive surfs and discos and zuukis
they all seem to want him hung up like a chicken !!!!
BUT PLEASE DONT FORGET HE IS IN PRISON FOR HIS WRONG DOINGS AND WILL BE FOR A WHILE.
before any more namby pamby wimpy sunday drivers with the atitude i have a four wheel drive so i am the god attitudes slag him off anymore then i suggest you drive down there and do some proper off roading
and not just the crap and diabolickle pitence you call pay and play days
these are biased and refuse entry to most vehicles purely for off road use
there are very little sites nowadays where you just play all day and rome free
instead of slagging of any more why not wait for the outcome of the inquest and actually see if it gets registered as an off road site
after all that is there intention.
just spend a minute chatting with mrs breeze and you will find out for yourself
lastly to finish my rant
chelsea tractors and sunday drivers who think they can off road get a life and buy a people carrier for your kids, because half of the 4x4s only get used for school runs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rant over now
thanks for bearing with me you may or may not agree with me but these are my own appinions and mine to bear
i have been off roading for over 17 years with lannys, rangies, dihatsuies, zuukis, then lannys agian, now finaly a unimog
and i will look forward to the next 17 years also
moggs
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the thing is with tomms place you can do what you want and when you want, thats all prt of being there,
anybody who has been there recently will know about the registrations being taken down and names being taken also, these are for the books !!! and not for fun
the breezes are trying to get it registered as a proper off road course at the moment. if some of the people who actualy rant about him being a cruel bas...d then they must have not been there, i personaly know of a number of people who drive surfs and discos and zuukis
they all seem to want him hung up like a chicken !!!!
BUT PLEASE DONT FORGET HE IS IN PRISON FOR HIS WRONG DOINGS AND WILL BE FOR A WHILE.
before any more namby pamby wimpy sunday drivers with the atitude i have a four wheel drive so i am the god attitudes slag him off anymore then i suggest you drive down there and do some proper off roading
and not just the crap and diabolickle pitence you call pay and play days
these are biased and refuse entry to most vehicles purely for off road use
there are very little sites nowadays where you just play all day and rome free
instead of slagging of any more why not wait for the outcome of the inquest and actually see if it gets registered as an off road site
after all that is there intention.
just spend a minute chatting with mrs breeze and you will find out for yourself
lastly to finish my rant
chelsea tractors and sunday drivers who think they can off road get a life and buy a people carrier for your kids, because half of the 4x4s only get used for school runs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rant over now
thanks for bearing with me you may or may not agree with me but these are my own appinions and mine to bear
i have been off roading for over 17 years with lannys, rangies, dihatsuies, zuukis, then lannys agian, now finaly a unimog
and i will look forward to the next 17 years also
moggs
Blimey, do you really think they are ready for that kind of reality on here, on a Sunday :wink: :lol:
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the thing is with tomms place you can do what you want and when you want, thats all prt of being there,
anybody who has been there recently will know about the registrations being taken down and names being taken also, these are for the books !!! and not for fun
the breezes are trying to get it registered as a proper off road course at the moment. if some of the people who actualy rant about him being a cruel bas...d then they must have not been there, i personaly know of a number of people who drive surfs and discos and zuukis
they all seem to want him hung up like a chicken !!!!
BUT PLEASE DONT FORGET HE IS IN PRISON FOR HIS WRONG DOINGS AND WILL BE FOR A WHILE.
before any more namby pamby wimpy sunday drivers with the atitude i have a four wheel drive so i am the god attitudes slag him off anymore then i suggest you drive down there and do some proper off roading
and not just the crap and diabolickle pitence you call pay and play days
these are biased and refuse entry to most vehicles purely for off road use
there are very little sites nowadays where you just play all day and rome free
instead of slagging of any more why not wait for the outcome of the inquest and actually see if it gets registered as an off road site
after all that is there intention.
just spend a minute chatting with mrs breeze and you will find out for yourself
lastly to finish my rant
chelsea tractors and sunday drivers who think they can off road get a life and buy a people carrier for your kids, because half of the 4x4s only get used for school runs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rant over now
thanks for bearing with me you may or may not agree with me but these are my own appinions and mine to bear
i have been off roading for over 17 years with lannys, rangies, dihatsuies, zuukis, then lannys agian, now finaly a unimog
and i will look forward to the next 17 years also
moggs
I don't "Off road"
Well I have once in my 110 Defender dune driving in Namibia.
My Defender is an expedition vehicle not a Sunday mud plug toy.
You pays your money and takes your choice.
My choice is not mud plugging it's far to expensive both in time and money.
LIVE AND LET LIVE please !!!
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the thing is with tomms place you can do what you want and when you want, thats all prt of being there,
anybody who has been there recently will know about the registrations being taken down and names being taken also, these are for the books !!! and not for fun
the breezes are trying to get it registered as a proper off road course at the moment. if some of the people who actualy rant about him being a cruel bas...d then they must have not been there, i personaly know of a number of people who drive surfs and discos and zuukis
they all seem to want him hung up like a chicken !!!!
BUT PLEASE DONT FORGET HE IS IN PRISON FOR HIS WRONG DOINGS AND WILL BE FOR A WHILE.
before any more namby pamby wimpy sunday drivers with the atitude i have a four wheel drive so i am the god attitudes slag him off anymore then i suggest you drive down there and do some proper off roading
and not just the crap and diabolickle pitence you call pay and play days
these are biased and refuse entry to most vehicles purely for off road use
there are very little sites nowadays where you just play all day and rome free
instead of slagging of any more why not wait for the outcome of the inquest and actually see if it gets registered as an off road site
after all that is there intention.
just spend a minute chatting with mrs breeze and you will find out for yourself
lastly to finish my rant
chelsea tractors and sunday drivers who think they can off road get a life and buy a people carrier for your kids, because half of the 4x4s only get used for school runs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rant over now
thanks for bearing with me you may or may not agree with me but these are my own appinions and mine to bear
i have been off roading for over 17 years with lannys, rangies, dihatsuies, zuukis, then lannys agian, now finaly a unimog
and i will look forward to the next 17 years also
moggs
Let me get this straight, I shouldn't "Slag him off" for mistreating animals inc letting a rams horns grow so much that is grew into its own eye just because he has a fantastic off roading site?!
Sorry, but I dont quite see the logic
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mr breeze did not actualy get sent to prison for animal cruelty !!!!
he was sent to prison for breaching a court order in fact......
I do not personaly agree with what he has done and i will never will agree with animal cruelty like everybody else.
i cannot coment on what went on because i was not there when everything was happening,
but the guy is now in prison and doing time for his crime, of this i agree... but on the outcome of this happening mrs breeze ( liz ) is actualy trying to get it registered as an oficial course with public liability insurance also and restricting it for events also. this may be a good thing or it may not but give her and him eventualy a chance to do so.
untill then people should not really rip into folk unless they can stand up and fend for themselfs... backstabbing is not a fair and recognised hobby of mine...
as for sunday drivers in 4x4s who never actualy use the 4x4 mode !!!!.whats that all about ???? supermarket running or just inferiority complex needing the feeling of being boss on the road.. i have personaly cut up loads of 4x4s and the majority the levers are nearly always seezed solid through never being used...
i to drive a 110 lanny for work and pleasure purposes and yes it gets off roaded as much as my unimog...
these are my views and my own opinions everyone has the right for free speach in this country,,, but backstabbing should be kept for politicians and not normal everyday people trying to say what they feel and do what they want in life .
everybody lives and eventualy dies whether you like it or not,, we all get a bum deal in life and have to make ends meet. unless you are born into the world of money !!!!!!
rant over now me fingers hurt
happy off roading
moggs
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the thing is with tomms place you can do what you want and when you want, thats all prt of being there,
anybody who has been there recently will know about the registrations being taken down and names being taken also, these are for the books !!! and not for fun
the breezes are trying to get it registered as a proper off road course at the moment. if some of the people who actualy rant about him being a cruel bas...d then they must have not been there, i personaly know of a number of people who drive surfs and discos and zuukis
they all seem to want him hung up like a chicken !!!!
BUT PLEASE DONT FORGET HE IS IN PRISON FOR HIS WRONG DOINGS AND WILL BE FOR A WHILE.
before any more namby pamby wimpy sunday drivers with the atitude i have a four wheel drive so i am the god attitudes slag him off anymore then i suggest you drive down there and do some proper off roading
and not just the crap and diabolickle pitence you call pay and play days
these are biased and refuse entry to most vehicles purely for off road use
there are very little sites nowadays where you just play all day and rome free
instead of slagging of any more why not wait for the outcome of the inquest and actually see if it gets registered as an off road site
after all that is there intention.
just spend a minute chatting with mrs breeze and you will find out for yourself
lastly to finish my rant
chelsea tractors and sunday drivers who think they can off road get a life and buy a people carrier for your kids, because half of the 4x4s only get used for school runs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rant over now
thanks for bearing with me you may or may not agree with me but these are my own appinions and mine to bear
i have been off roading for over 17 years with lannys, rangies, dihatsuies, zuukis, then lannys agian, now finaly a unimog
and i will look forward to the next 17 years also
moggs
i don't think boycotting the place because of the animal cruelty issues is 'backstabbing' at all... i just think it shows that some people have morals and principles...
i'm not realy into the whole 'pay and play' thing.... and no, i'm not a school run pilot or a chelsea tractor driver... i just find driving round and round a load of boggy fields or quarrys a bit dull.....
and i don't have the attitude "ive got a 4x4 so i'm a god" i'd just rather do it in the real world... like the sahara or australia's snowy mountains (driven both) than in a field full of self important people who think they know it all because they've been driving around in fields and quarries since god was a boy.
if you want to pay these people to drive around in their fields, knock yourself out, but don't think it gives you the moral high ground.. or makes you 'hardcore'...
i'm not having a dig at all of you who do the pay and play thing, its not my thing, but i know loads of you are into it.... but it doesn't make you more of a 4x4 enthusiast...
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Well Im going to play. I dont want to get involved in the whole issue.
Be it right or wrong, we lack serious pay and pay sites so I'll try it and see
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he was told to get rid of the animals because they could see what harm was being done to them. he refused and so he went to court.
this is a fact, because i asked a mate who lives next door.
i have been to tom's farm, grat place, and great offroading, however the drawback from his place is that because it is so "roam free" you have all sorts of scramblers/bikes/4x4's all in the same place.. there are ltos of accidents.
Rob
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Ive been there and camped a couple of times.
Very rough and ready, ok its a dump.
I remember I think he had an issue a year or so ago with been able to have motorsports and farming on the same bit of land. Not sure for certain.
Tom struck me as an old fellow, getting a bit old and immobile for farm work. My mate once found him under is quad - he couldn't have shifted that by himself. Sounds like hes reached the end of the road regards farming. give the gut a break, without knowingALL the facts, and the press is hardly unbiased (just look at the comments on this site about the LR mags and advertising). seems some are quick to judge and take the moral high ground.
Another year and he'll get his pension.
Site is big, and you can do as little as you want, or do crazy things get stuck, churn the ground up, and winch to youre hearts content. it up to you when youre there.
The site entrance couyld definatly do with a makover though, especially all the warning signs. Banning, or resticting motorcross bikes, to some areas would be good though. (My mate and I once went around the top, to find a feloow stuick in some boggy peat. The other motor bikes ignored him, whicle we gave him a hand. also they seemed to have no regard for the fact that if they cut you up, they might die, whereas you'll just feel a bump, but then neither do motorcyclists on the road.- que flaming!)
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I spoke to one of my customers today, who is a neighbour to this farm. She has confirmed that they are trying to close it down, not because of the damage to the actual land but because of the dangerous driving going on to and from the site.
She understands that the owners have been told that if they wish to charge for the use of the land, then they will have to apply for Planning Change of Use from agricultural to motorsport/commercial.
She also believes that the Environment Agency are also now involved, due to pollution of the waterways in the area.