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Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: laser_jock99 on December 20, 2006, 13:35:16
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=423871&in_page_id=1770

...so London will be full 10 year old 4x4's then!
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Rich_P on December 20, 2006, 13:54:02
Superb for us then.  I don't think there are many of us who run modern vehicles.  :lol:
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Evilgoat on December 20, 2006, 13:55:33
Quote :

"It means that while owners of brand new gas-guzzlers such as Range Rovers and even some family Ford Mondeos could be hit with the higher charge"

Err, isnt this about penalising them that create the pollution rather than the life choices their owners make.

Why should a large Mondeo estate that churns out as much as/more than a 200TDi pay less?
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Yoshi on December 20, 2006, 14:52:17
Well we know who the reply on the story was from now! lol

I dont mind, mine is on LPG and i also dont have to pay for congestion charging or the m6toll because i am a blue badge holder.

Dont know about the dartford tunnel yet though lol
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: lostdreamer on December 20, 2006, 15:38:53
What did you just say about blue badge holders and the M6toll? Tell me more, please...
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Yoshi on December 20, 2006, 17:15:34
If you look on their website you can send off the form with proof you are a blue badge holder and they exempt you from the charge.
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Lee_D on December 20, 2006, 18:58:57
Well I bunged ny 2p worth on the readers comments....

Surely this isn't such a bad thing? If the Government wish to deter "gas-guzzlers" then the Modern lifestyle "gas-guzzlers" are the ones they need to be looking at.
Lets face it any one running an older car isn't using it as a fashion item.
Any one running older vehicles is doing so because they can't afford lavish expenses of new ones and likely to be the people most financially affected by the plans.
Regards pollution of older vehicles, given many of them will be scrapped / recycled in the next 5 to 10 years it's a drop in the Ocean. To try and force them off the road in to an early scrap yard will only lead to more carbon emissions in making replacement vehicles. Carbon should be looked at as a "whole life" of the vehicle issue, not just what comes out of the exhaust pipe.


Some of the peeps with what are perceived to be normal gas guzzlers are going to be in for a shock when they realise there cars are in the higher band too. :lol: Still they've made there bed!
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: blackbob on December 20, 2006, 19:11:26
Quote from: "BadgersRover"
If you look on their website you can send off the form with proof you are a blue badge holder and they exempt you from the charge.


also dartford is exempt and all toll bridges in scotland if you have a blue badge and the free road tax
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Grant on December 20, 2006, 22:33:43
So my 2.3t, 4.6 litre rangie will be exempt and mr 4x4 whinger in his mundano will get hit with a whopping tax. My heart bleeds for 'em  :lol:
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Yoshi on December 20, 2006, 23:16:58
not exempt, the ones that cant increase will still get the £8 standard charge.
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: spy on December 21, 2006, 22:09:06
Just out of interest, why do diabled drivers get free access to the M6 toll?
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: lostdreamer on December 23, 2006, 15:16:37
I would guess that it is to do with however they got an opporating liescnce (or whatever hoops they had to jump through to get permission to tarmac a large area). They probably had to prove, beyond the possibility for financal gain, a legitimate need for the road.

This was probably acheavied by allowing emergency services/military/etc to use it to bypass the existing M6 for 'safety reasons'. Or some variant on that approach.

Alternatively, as part of the UK road network (& consequentally subject to the RTA etc) there might be legistlation that means they can't charge them.

Either way, I am off to their website to have a looksee.
Title: Older gas guzzlers to escape £25 congestion charge
Post by: Range Rover Blues on December 24, 2006, 16:51:46
Quote from: "Dude"
Well I bunged ny 2p worth on the readers comments....

Surely this isn't such a bad thing? If the Government wish to deter "gas-guzzlers" then the Modern lifestyle "gas-guzzlers" are the ones they need to be looking at.
Lets face it any one running an older car isn't using it as a fashion item.
Any one running older vehicles is doing so because they can't afford lavish expenses of new ones and likely to be the people most financially affected by the plans.
Regards pollution of older vehicles, given many of them will be scrapped / recycled in the next 5 to 10 years it's a drop in the Ocean. To try and force them off the road in to an early scrap yard will only lead to more carbon emissions in making replacement vehicles. Carbon should be looked at as a "whole life" of the vehicle issue, not just what comes out of the exhaust pipe.


Some of the peeps with what are perceived to be normal gas guzzlers are going to be in for a shock when they realise there cars are in the higher band too. :lol: Still they've made there bed!

My comments got published too :)
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