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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Boggert on February 18, 2007, 21:23:14
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Got called to an RTA today, not unusal in my job, however this was simple maths...
Rich Parents + Spoiled Kid = Fast sports car x Too Confident = Total Distruction
The equation is...
RP+SK=FSCxTC=TD :roll:
According to whitnesses the VX220 left the road at speed glancing a kerb, causing it to spin in the air and then bounce off a tree. I spent about 15 mins collecting all the fiberglass and car parts off the road and hedges.
I found the front lights about 100 feet up the road :shock:
On arrival I thought it was a fatal and was calling up for traffic assistance, but the lad thank god was fine and had just a little whip lash! :shock:
On scene we had... 3 Police cars, 2 fire crews, ambulance, air ambulance, 3 first responders and fire chief.
Comments welcome
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And we wonder why insurance is expensive. I'll have to thank the little angel.
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We have just been pricing up insurance for our eldest and the cheapest we can find would be when she actually leaves home and goes to Hull uni @ Scarborough............ for a 1.0 Corsa (cheapest insurance we can find for her) it would be over £1000 :shock: So my comment is........ your math seems very good cos who the hell else can afford to insure a car for their children who are just trying to start out on their own :?
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It's unfortunate that he didn't suffer more than whiplash and a bruised ego. Something a bit more like a broken leg would of been far more appropriate as a good reminder.
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We have just been pricing up insurance for our eldest and the cheapest we can find would be when she actually leaves home and goes to Hull uni @ Scarborough............ for a 1.0 Corsa (cheapest insurance we can find for her) it would be over £1000 :shock: So my comment is........ your math seems very good cos who the hell else can afford to insure a car for their children who are just trying to start out on their own :?
I've done the calculations for myself on such a vehicle, and the companies want at least £3,000. Interestingly my 2A would only be £2,000. :o
Anyway, currently I'm under a parent's policy until I'm working full time to pay the huge insurance premiums.
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We couldnt afford to put her on any of our land rover policies....... even the SIIa was over £3000 :(
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Did you try NFU?
The so-called specialists only wanted to charge more than the typical car insurance firms I found.
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LMAO........ NFU have never once been able to give us a good quote on any of our vehicles :lol: I currently have the 90 with Adrian Flux and the 109 with Lancaster......... cant remember who my hubby's policies are with but I know NFU cant touch any of our quotes :lol:
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Got called to an RTA today, not unusal in my job, however this was simple maths...
Rich Parents + Spoiled Kid = Fast sports car x Too Confident = Total Distruction
The equation is...
RP+SK=FSCxTC=TD :roll:
According to whitnesses the VX220 left the road at speed glancing a kerb, causing it to spin in the air and then bounce off a tree. I spent about 15 mins collecting all the fiberglass and car parts off the road and hedges.
I found the front lights about 100 feet up the road :shock:
On arrival I thought it was a fatal and was calling up for traffic assistance, but the lad thank god was fine and had just a little whip lash! :shock:
On scene we had... 3 Police cars, 2 fire crews, ambulance, air ambulance, 3 first responders and fire chief.
Comments welcome
Know how you feel , old mate!
Same old story! Too much money, too little common sense and TFF! I hope all services bill him for the trouble.
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Got called to an RTA today, not unusal in my job,
Comments welcome
We see the end results, some with happy endings.
Had one on Thursday evening; a 'knockdown'. A kid had ran in front of a double-decker.
Thankfully, I believe, he went home that evening with only bruising, scratches & a big scare.
Sadly too many of the ones we see are fatals.
Needless to say, I won't go into too many details, but most of them aren't nice
Example; OAP pulls out on front of artic doing 40MPH, & stalls......... (or fails to accelerate away)
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He was very lucky, as one of the whitnesses was driving a ford transit and he only missed it by a matter if feet :shock:
If he had hit it I suspect it would be a double fatel.
The last RTA that stuck in my mind was a young lad again in a scooby STI who had parked his 3 day old car in one of our DCI's living room :lol:
Again thank god no one was hurt.
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The last RTA that stuck in my mind was a young lad again in a scooby STI who had parked his 3 day old car in one of our DCI's living room :lol:
Bet the DCI was impressed (pun intended)
Two others that sticks in mine are;
1. Old chap crossing the road, scrote comes along, hits him & drives 3miles home, with the guy on the roof!!
(we weren't involved, as it was a fatal, it just stands out!!)
2. Kids playing 'chicken' on the M1 (in the dark!!, needless to say....)
Words fail you sometimes...................
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2. Kids playing 'chicken' on the M1 (in the dark!!, needless to say....)
Words fail you sometimes...................
Darwinism in action
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its a shame that he can not be billed for all the responce crews that have had to attend (then again with rich parents they will probley pay it or get a solicitor to take action againt them for upsetting there kid)
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2. Kids playing 'chicken' on the M1 (in the dark!!, needless to say....)
Words fail you sometimes...................
Darwinism in action
Dang right!, & its rulings were applied that night.
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We gave our daughter the Clio when she passed her test last year (18) and insured it for her - £990.
This year, with a years experience and a years no-claims, she's looking at £500
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MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL.
heres me, driving a land rover defender not exceeding 55 mph, in her, paying insurance through the roof £1300 (with pass plus) am 18, just so i can go playing and have one thing that means one of the most things in my life - my land rover. fair enough, i have to pay some for insurance, i accept that, but because of some F****** T***s like this guy, i am paying £1300 and the insurers think "oh, they are all this bad"
i hope he realises and goes and buys some crappy heap of S**T that blows up with him in it. :evil:
rant over. - sorry, got loads of school work whitch i dont want to be doing COS IM ON Half term.
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Saw this a few years ago with a friend. Passed his test, dayya got him a really nice Skyling GTR34. Playing silly sods he drifted off a local roundabout and wrapped it sideways round a lamp-post.
Not being able to afford to replace the car daddy bailed him out...
B reg Fiesta .9 litre made mainly of rust and he was told to insure it :)
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My old man did 25+ years in the Ambulance Service, ending up being a high-ranking officer, but still doing operational duties (major RTA's etc). Some of the stories he has to tell are mind-numbing - but (thankfully) neither me nor my llittle bro have ever had a serious accident, and have always driven sensibly - I reckon it's down to Dads experiences.
My idea to stop this carnage is simple - when you pass your test, regardless of how old you are, you should only be allowed to buy/drive/have given to you a 1.0l car, not supercharged or turbo'd, just a bog-standard, 1.0l 55hp old banger. Then once you've done 2 years of accident, and incident free driving you can 'upgrade' to something slightly bigger (1.4l...... :twisted: )
Don't get me wrong, I've nothing against fast cars, I'd love a supercharged rangie myself, but it's such a waste of life when sme inexperienced 19yr old buys himself (or gets given) a Scooby or equally fast car and then kills themselves - or worst still, kills a passenger or driver in another car.
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My idea to stop this carnage is simple - when you pass your test, regardless of how old you are, you should only be allowed to buy/drive/have given to you a 1.0l car, not supercharged or turbo'd, just a bog-standard, 1.0l 55hp old banger. Then once you've done 2 years of accident, and incident free driving you can 'upgrade' to something slightly bigger (1.4l...... :twisted: )
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absolute utter rubish.
how am i supposed to run my 200TDi defender if that rule came in?
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200tdi is about 5 hp isnt it?
*ducks and runs*
:twisted:
Thats the way its done in a few places in the states do it.
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absolute utter rubish.
how am i supposed to run my 200TDi defender if that rule came in?
:oops: OK, perhaps a tad over-the-top there, how about a bhp restriction then ?
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Jimbo
Would it not be a better idea to make these "drivers" to go out with the police or ambulance crews and pick up some of the mess.
Ride in an artic for a week to see how the HGV driver views car drivers and their stunts.
Give them all an 1934 type car with virtually no brakes that would make them look ahead instead of the front bumper.
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Jimbo
Would it not be a better idea to make these "drivers" to go out with the police or ambulance crews and pick up some of the mess.
Possibly - but some of them are so thick-skinned/stupid that it would be a waste of time. Think about motorbikes - you can't go out and start riding a Fireblade on a provisional licence, you need to work up to the powerful machines, so why not the same for cars ??
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My idea to stop this carnage is simple - when you pass your test, regardless of how old you are, you should only be allowed to buy/drive/have given to you a 1.0l car, not supercharged or turbo'd, just a bog-standard, 1.0l 55hp old banger. Then once you've done 2 years of accident, and incident free driving you can 'upgrade' to something slightly bigger (1.4l...... :twisted: )
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absolute utter rubish.
how am i supposed to run my 200TDi defender if that rule came in?
I agree with you both - what about a bhp limit or a 0-60mph limit for new drivers that would stop them getting behind the wheel of excessive power while they are inexperienced on the open road. Wouldn't hurt until they are 21 :wink:
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Unfortunately, until there is something that limits the amount of testosterone, then there will always be those that will drive like morons and have prangs.
I wish I did know what the answer was, because I would be better off than I am now.
I used to stop check all the young drivers and ask to see if they were the main or named driver.
Ineveitably they would be on the parents insurance, but drive the car all the time. A few words of advice to Mummy and Daddy about obtaining services by deception would do the trick.
Saying that, I have known a disqualified driver to produce insurance. Basically, he phoned up a company and lied. The company don't check.
The problem with limiting the cc size of an engine for a young driver, is how can it be checked?
As anyone who has played with car tuning will know, you can do a lot to an engine without changing the cc, e.g a 998cc Mini.
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I'm 25 now I had my first 90 when I was 22 insured it with sureterm (in all the mags) I fully declared ALL the modifications (simex arb lockers winches arb winchbumper roll cage even down to uprated half shafts) and even had an agreed value plus salvage/retention on the policy and it still cost me a massive...................
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£181 to insure :shock:
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bargain... well arent you the lucky one.
:cry: :cry: :evil:
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Well my first car is my baby and thats the rover 620i. Yeah I know its a 2litre 16v 115bhp. It was my dads car and he said to me I have to insure every bit of it and fund it all. His theory was as I had to save up for it etc I would take more care of it as it was my baby and proud of what I had achieved.
It cost me £2200 TPFT in insurance with pass pluss for my first year then £1100 TPFT. Yes I admit that the power etc got to my head. I wasnt being utter stupid as my Dad also said to me the second I got a speeding ticket etc he would remove the car off me for a month minimum. That got the sh**ers into me! The thing that slowed me down was when I had a slight knock in my Mums car when mine was having the engine rebuilt after going through a flood that was a tad deeper than expected.
I had 2 choices with my Mums car. Pay for her and the other guys repairs out of my savings or go through insurance and have a whopping premium the next few years to come and 1 years less no claims. I paid for the damage myself. £1k for each car (and 1k for engine rebuild). It was a very expensive time for me but it taught me a lesson that made me slow down and I am like an old grandad driving now. I get more pleasure out of a seemless gear change and the max miles out of a tank of fuel that beeting some dumb nut in daddies fast car at lights. To add onto this 3 months after I passed my test I bought a 12ft caravan. :shock: I have been towing my dads caravan on private land for years before hand and now alot about snaking, tow weights etc etc. In 1 way it was silly but in others it made me aware of how lorries may feel and much more aware of other road users.
Of course I rev my engine at lights as well then they go screaming off into the distance out of my way and I can follow on at a sensible speed and out of thier way incase they have an accident or laugh when the police pull them over.
Being a postie did make me go a tad faster than I should have done as job and finish means sooner we get round we go home. I wil admit how I didnt kill myself I dont know. (never broke the speed limit though and some driveways are death traps) I have given all that up now and live the boring office life :(
I say every young person should not have cars bought for them and they need to have thier own insurance not on mummies and daddies buy it for them.
I will be 25 this year with (touch wood)8 years no claims discount and pass pluss so the insurance had better go down or else!!!
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Jimbo
Fine idea but totally impractable, I'm afraid.
What about the low paid agricultural wprkers family who only have 1 car, shared by Mum, Dad & teenager?
Do you expect them to go out a buy another car?
Around here there are plenty of people who's only car is a 90 and they struggle to keep that on the road.
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and forgot to add. When I was looking for my first car a fiesta was going to be about £1500 TPFT and a series 3 diesel landy £800 fully comp.
I didnt go with a landy then as I felt I wanted to get used to other idiots on the road in an easy power stering etc car rather than a landy that I would have to concentrate alot on the car as well as the road.
I love my rover :D
I have heard that the driving age is now 18 years old. could make a difference on the roads but i doubt it. :cry:
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the driving age is still 17! alot of my mates are taking driving lessons and there 17. i cant start untill easter :o
i think that people my age should only be allowed to drive cars that they have bought, really annoys me when peoples parents buy them a car, i had to buy my 90 and i will pay my dad fully for the insurance because its cheaper that way £450
kieran
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absolute utter rubish.
how am i supposed to run my 200TDi defender if that rule came in?
:oops: OK, perhaps a tad over-the-top there, how about a bhp restriction then ?
Thats what happened with the Motorcycle test as any biker will tell you.
If under 21 when you pass test you get restricted to 33bhp, after 2 years the restriction is lifted. If over 21 you can take test on bigger bike (33bhp+) and have no restriction :D
Steve
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My idea to stop this carnage is simple - when you pass your test, regardless of how old you are, you should only be allowed to buy/drive/have given to you a 1.0l car, not supercharged or turbo'd, just a bog-standard, 1.0l 55hp old banger. Then once you've done 2 years of accident, and incident free driving you can 'upgrade' to something slightly bigger (1.4l...... :twisted: )
What a stupid idea.
Why not do it on performance. I drive a 3.5 V8 range rover, but it was still pretty much the slowest thing to 60 in my school car park!
I skidded on diesel and managed to demolish a stop sign...no injuries other than a bent sign and a dented bumper/bonnet...in a corsa or similar chances are i would have ended up spending taxpayers money on an ambulance and hospital treatment...
EDIT: (more posts in the meantime)
My 2 rangies which i use, i paid for, i pay to tax and insure and i pay for most of the fuel in them as well.
My vectra i paid for and pay to insure as well, but the insurance is ridiculous so it's gotta go.
BTW im 19 in april for those who didnt know.
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i second that JJ saol, what a STOOOOOPID idea... a life without my landy cos its more then 1.0L NO WAY uh uh, aint gonna happen mate.
R
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I don't think we should look at any restrictions, ever the smallest 1L Micra can be wound up to 60mph and on a bendy country lane can fall off!
As part of the teat they should be shown the carnage caused by driving like a numpty,
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I don't think we should look at any restrictions, ever the smallest 1L Micra can be wound up to 60mph and on a bendy country lane can fall off!
As part of the teat they should be shown the carnage caused by driving like a numpty,
I couldn't agree more, but which part of the 'teat' are you referring to exactly?
Showing them part of the 'teat' or in fact all of it, would distract them and cause more accidents! :shock:
Sorry Boggert, I had one of my mental images again!
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As part of the teat they should be shown the carnage caused by driving like a numpty,
i would agree with that
another thing i think should be introduced is a session on a skid pan so people can learn what its like and possibly some of the things to do.
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another thing i think should be introduced is a session on a skid pan so people can learn what its like and possibly some of the things to do.
So boy racers with dads posh powerful cars can do perfect doughnuts in Tescos car park at night :!: :wink:
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I don't think we should look at any restrictions, ever the smallest 1L Micra can be wound up to 60mph and on a bendy country lane can fall off!
As part of the teat they should be shown the carnage caused by driving like a numpty,
I couldn't agree more, but which part of the 'teat' are you referring to exactly?
Showing them part of the 'teat' or in fact all of it, would distract them and cause more accidents! :shock:
Sorry Boggert, I had one of my mental images again!
Perhaps when they do the written test! not when they are driving LOL :lol:
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another thing i think should be introduced is a session on a skid pan so people can learn what its like and possibly some of the things to do.
So boy racers with dads posh powerful cars can do perfect doughnuts in Tescos car park at night :!: :wink:
get the right surface (think last weeks weather :wink: ) and you can make a pretty tidy job out of it in an underpowered 20yr old 4x4 :twisted:
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Given that there was one slightly injured young man were there
'On scene we had... 3 Police cars, 2 fire crews, ambulance, air ambulance, 3 first responders and fire chief. '
From the sound of it the only person affected was walking wounded - I am readily confused but why quite so many valuable people dealing with one car hitting a tree or something?
I'm getting old.
Mike
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Given that there was one slightly injured young man were there
'On scene we had... 3 Police cars, 2 fire crews, ambulance, air ambulance, 3 first responders and fire chief. '
From the sound of it the only person affected was walking wounded - I am readily confused but why quite so many valuable people dealing with one car hitting a tree or something?
I'm getting old.
Mike
Not sure why the air ambulance came, I guess its sent if not busy and again not sure why 2 fire engines came again it up to the other services.
From the police point of view, we needed 3 people, 2 to safely do the traffic (it was on a nasty corner) and 1 to do the paperwork (booklet) Each car is single cewed.
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another thing i think should be introduced is a session on a skid pan so people can learn what its like and possibly some of the things to do.
So boy racers with dads posh powerful cars can do perfect doughnuts in Tescos car park at night :!: :wink:
JJ has a point. At the point when an RTI (I for incident as nothing is an accident... there is always a cause... and there is usually a human at the start of the chain)....
At the point an RTI happens, there is a short window where correct use of recovery techniques can prevent the situation from becoming worse. I'd rather drivers knew what to do at this point. I wonder how many RTI's are sevre because one or more of the drivers froze... or worse... carried out the wrong correction.
There will always be those who use Tesco's for extra curricular activities... and there are mechanisms for dealing with them. Limiting a drivers ability to recover from an emergency situation should to prevent some loputish behaviour is not a sensible idea... as long as theyre in Tescos... I don't mind!
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1.0L is still far to powerful for most drivers, mady limiting them to a 2.25 naturally asmatic diesel for the first year might work.
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If I had my way we'd all be retested very 5 years or so. I wouldn't make the existing test harder (as it's rumoured to become) that's pointless. Longer yes, but not harder.
The problem is that young persons stop driving the way they were taught the moment their mates see them (and take the p**). What we need to do is make it more important to practice the driving skills that cost so much to learn, so I would have all newly quailified drivers re-tested after a certain period.
Between the first and second tests they should carry P plates, like in other countries. Try getting insured on a Porche as a probationary driver.
Anyone failing their statutory retest would become a P driver with 12 months to pass, otherwise you'd have so many sods moaning that they will loose their job without a licence, even though they aren't fit to hold one.
Anyone wanting points taken off their licence should also have to take the test.
Right, now you're all going to argue "but how would I drive my......."
YOU DON'T, the rules are there as thet stand, if they are changed you have to abide by them. If you want a bigger car, prove you can handle it, if you can, it will be cheaper to run.
Some of the spin-off benifits from retesting, which already happen in the 'states
Compulsory eye-test on the spot before the licence is re-issued
The photo on your licence WILL be you, take the picture in the test centre. No more forgeries, no more stand-ins taking driving tests for other people.
Drivers will have to keep their skills up to date, or pay me a lot of money to cure their bad habbits.
Some of the w***ers on the road might be a tad more sympathetic to student drivers.
If you want to insure a hoofing big people carrier, your insurance company might be 'interested' to know what you drove for your retest.
It'll never happen mind, not unless you all vote for me :wink:
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There are some flaws with what you say there though, as much as I hate to say it.
An example of a situation:
Have you driven a Series? I personally would like to see someone drive a Series, especially a 2A or earlier vehicle how you're supposed to drive for the test. Feeding the wheels through your hands at slow speeds such as when turning around is almost impossible in many cases. You have to heave the wheel round.
Although I clearly understand your overall point, in some cases it wouldn't quite work all that well. But no plan is absolutely perfect...
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But the test is not that strict, you have to be 'in proper control'. However feeding the wheel is commonly accepted as the best method of moving the wheel quickly and under full control.
You would also struggle with the turn in the road manouvre and possibly reverse parking.
But then you want to drive this on public roads, it's down to the examiner to judge whether you can do that safely and asking you to a number of manouvres is one of the ways he does this, the locations chosen should reflect the vehicle in question.