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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: att on March 29, 2007, 16:27:09
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.......After typing this out I am not wasting it.
I am a biker and have been so since the age of 15.
I have only been the victim of car drivers for the last 8 years.
Never used to get knocked off, cut up, or pulled out on like I have in the last 8 years...I had 19 years of mostly trouble free riding.
I ride a variety of machines from sports to tourers, I am lucky that I can afford to.
Car drivers in the UK are without doubt the most ignorant, rude and useless breed that I have ever encountered, give me france any day, they understand bikes in france and the drivers are educated.....Even Bangkok where the traffic is 10X worse than London the drivers at least have a bit more road sense than the selfish British.
I have ridden bikes all over the world, the UK is the single worst place in this world to ride a bike.
It is not the speed of the riders that is the problem it is the education of ALL drivers and riders that is the problem.
As a biker I dread the thought of having to go anywhere on the bike on a Sunday, the roads are full of Plastic Race Reps thinking they are Rossi & Co....I class these riders with the most stuipid of car drivers.
They will never limit the speed of any vehicle, only the scope for education of the drivers and riders with ill thought out policy and knee jerk reactions.
But, if they do, I will do my level best to eradicate Politicians from this country if I am still living here, and as each day goes by, there are less reasons to stay in a country governed by greedy, stupid and power obessed freaks and populated by rude, selfish inconsiderate people.
Delete if you so wish who ever you are..... :roll:
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well said :D
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My response to a locked thread, which I found quite odd that it had been locked.
I have attended a great many 'incidents' where bikes have been involved in prangs with other vehicles.
From my personal experience of investigations of the incidents the scenario has usually been car/truck/bus/tractor or bike, has pulled out in front of oncoming motorcycle.
Most have been when a vehicle has been entering/leaving a main road from/into a side road and collided with a motorcycle.
The most heard excuse has been "I didn't see them coming".
Was speed the main factor? No. Speed has played apart in some, I will agree, but most of the times it has been a person not looking properly before carrying out a manouvere.
I have been driving Plod cars now for over 16 years, and I am always amazed at how people fail to see a large white car, with all lights and sirens going, and still pull out in front.
I'm sure that those bods on the M/C forum who drive ambulances and fire tenders will agree on the inability of some of the motoring public to think clearly, see clearly and react in a rational manner.
Do not get me wrong, speed does kill. But so does driving inexperience, poor road skills and bad driving.
I have never riden a bike on the road because I don't trust other road users.
These are my personal views.
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sorry Mods, i could see this one slipping sideways.
Just one question how come its less for me to insure my highly tuned 1277 gsxr that CAN do 180mph+ than my 400 cc enduro bike which doesnt like 80?
its not because the faster the bike the more likely i am to have an accident now is it?
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Be nice to know who locked it - and also why? especially when there have been longer threads - left running.... :?
Some nice comments BTW..
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.......After typing this out I am not wasting it.
Delete if you so wish who ever you are..... :roll:
Get a life, .........the road is for everyone, if bikers are so good , how come they speed , que jump , undertake ,overtake where ever .....I find some of youre views a bit arrogant.
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.......After typing this out I am not wasting it.
Delete if you so wish who ever you are..... :roll:
Get a life, .........the road is for everyone, if bikers are so good , how come they speed , que jump , undertake ,overtake where ever .....I find some of youre views a bit arrogant.
They do what you describe because they can, if they do it with respect for other road users there is no problem...Obviously speeding is illegal and dangerous, i am not condoning that, but a motorcycle if used properly can get you to your destination safely and more quickly.
As for queue jumping, you can`t possibly be expected to queue in high temps, low temps and inhaling all the nasty pollution, so it is not queue jumping, it is merely survival.
In Italy bikers are allowed to use the emergency lane in v. high temps to filter to their destination, you cannot possibly hold up a bike in 100+ degrees in leathers, you would pass out in twenty minutes.
Sorry that you find my writing arrogant, it is just an observation after riding bikes for 27 years.(19+8)
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.......After typing this out I am not wasting it.
Delete if you so wish who ever you are..... :roll:
Get a life, .........the road is for everyone, if bikers are so good , how come they speed , que jump , undertake ,overtake where ever .....I find some of youre views a bit arrogant.
same reason as some car drivers do exactly the same....and some 4x4 drivers cause green lane damage....need i go on?
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.......After typing this out I am not wasting it.
Delete if you so wish who ever you are..... :roll:
Get a life, .........the road is for everyone, if bikers are so good , how come they speed , que jump , undertake ,overtake where ever .....I find some of youre views a bit arrogant.
who said bikers were so good? anybody else see that? The road clearly is for everyone, we all pay plenty for it aswell.
the original thread is about the ridiculous proposal to limit the top speed of bikes. Not about filtering etc. Some people have indicated that stats exist showing that bikes cause most accidents not the other road user and that speed is a major contributary factor.
so let me see the choice is no bike and no filtering no speeding no overtaking...hmmm if thats YOUR life i will gladly keep mine.. :wink:
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que jump
As if a bike is going to make any difference to your time in the que - please, and you ask others to get a life :roll: Any bike will be off and long gone before you get to move. I bet your one of those drivers that tries to knock us off because we can make quicker progress in a que. Me thinks you have green eyes.
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As soon as Man devised the internal combustion engine he devised another way of killing him self and damaging the planet... Its not the bikes, cars, vans lorries or 4x4's that are the problem it us Man and Women... get rid of us... problem solved! :roll:
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Bikers never speed do they.............never cut you up, never que-jump.........Same as all good uns and bad uns...........but most have these bad habits.........Im alright Jack attitude..
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As soon as Man devised the internal combustion engine he devised another way of killing him self and damaging the planet... Its not the bikes, cars, vans lorries or 4x4's that are the problem it us Man and Women... get rid of us... problem solved! :roll:
Yeah, I'll go with that.
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Bikers never speed do they.............never cut you up, never que-jump.........Same as all good uns and bad uns...........but most have these bad habits.........Im alright Jack attitude..
If I would have known that I was going into a battle of wits with an unarmed man, I wouldn`t have bothered the first time :roll: :wink:
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Bikers never speed do they.............never cut you up, never que-jump.........Same as all good uns and bad uns...........but most have these bad habits.........Im alright Jack attitude..
so you mean you are tarring them all with the same brush then??? :? :? :?
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As soon as Man devised the internal combustion engine he devised another way of killing him self and damaging the planet... Its not the bikes, cars, vans lorries or 4x4's that are the problem it us Man and Women... get rid of us... problem solved! :roll:
Yeah, I'll go with that.
So will I....Thirded.
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sorry Jas, didnt see you reply.... err you read my post i take it??
queue jump , whats that? filtering is legal and allowed under the highway code.So i do it and why not?
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I bet your one of those drivers that tries to knock us off .
Just the sort of attitude I mean............
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I feel the need for re-education of drivers has already been established in this thread alone.
And...Jas, just because somebody has a different way of thinking from yourself it does not make them arrogant, it is often statements like that, that are spawned from ignorance.
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Unfortunately there will always be the 'loon' element in any section of the engine-using section of the public.
Saying that , one of my pet hates is people who ride pushbikes on pavements or with no lights at night.
When I have stopped them and given them advice, I have been accused of being anti-cyclist, a fascist, draconian and all the usual pants that people come out with.
But the end line is those are the rules. They are there for a reason. Don't whinge and moan when you get caught, be it speeding, driving whilst using the phone, pulling out in front of other road users, riding without lights, peeing up a shop front when drunk..................... I could go on, but you would all get bored.
If everyone was more thoughtful when and how they drive, ride, cycle, walk, talk, then the World would be a lot better. Utopia? Maybe, but I can always dream.
Keeps me in work, I suppose. :wink:
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So my opinion and others does nt count ? ...unless what I say is in agreement.. :shock: ........If Bikers were left alone to ride as they feel ..which I think is what you are trying to say ? does that mean the rest of us can do as we like.... An aggresive bike rider is a danger to all....
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So my opinion and others does nt count ? ...unless what I say you is in agreement.. :shock:
Did you really not read what I posted in it`s entirety....I did mention bikes and speeding etc.
You may like to read it again :?
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Yes I have read it , and as I first put I found it arrogant,,,
THE END
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An aggresive bike rider is a danger to all....
As is an aggresive car driver, lorry driver, bus driver, tractor driver, cyclist, horse rider, pedestrian.
Better driver behaviour is the answer, along with firm, but fair enforcement of the traffic regulations.
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What I don`t understand is the fact that traffic police are disappearing from our roads.
There were 765 homicides in the UK 05-06, that includes the 52 killed in the tube bombing, compared to the 3000 approx that die on our roads each year :? Where the police presence is declining :?
I hate the people who say to Police officers when stopped on the road..."shouldn`t you be nicking real criminals" Not only are they displaying their ignorance, they think they are being clever at the same time :?
We need more traffic Units in the current climate I feel.
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Er - what exactly has this to do with Mud Club or offroading in general? Having re-read the first post I'm not even sure of the point of the thread...
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Er - what exactly has this to do with Mud Club or offroading in general? Having re-read the first post I'm not even sure of the point of the thread...
This is 'The Bar' where general discussion is made. 4x4 specific topics have their own place elsewhere.
I would like to suggest we keep it real, guys. Fewer personal comments and this would make an excellent discussion.
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What I don`t understand is the fact that traffic police are disappearing from our roads.
There were 765 homicides in the UK 05-06, that includes the 52 killed in the tube bombing, compared to the 3000 approx that die on our roads each year :? Where the police presence is declining :?
I hate the people who say to Police officers when stopped on the road..."shouldn`t you be nicking real criminals" Not only are they displaying their ignorance, they think they are being clever at the same time :?
We need more traffic Units in the current climate I feel.
I'll concur, apart from the bit where they ask "why aren't you blah blah waffle drivel moan, bored, going to sleep, wake me up when you have finished bleeting".
My responses to that sort of comment have been
1) "Are you telling me that you know some real criminals and would like to spend more of your time telling me about it."
2) "Because I have to spend most of time dealing with crap drivers like you."
3) "Hang on Sir/Madam" pause, call up on radio in full hearing of the person "Hello Control, do you know of any murders/rapes/armed robberies/terrorist acts going on on my area at the moment? Oh, there aren't any going on? Ok, thank you. No , there aren't any real crimes being committed in this area at the moment. Now where were we? Oh yes, your ticket for speeding/use of mobile phone".
Traffic officers or Roads Policing Units to be totally PC, are effective at their job, which is promoting safer road use, educating road users, and the prevention/detection of offences.
They are a costly resource. They are usually highly trained (costly) and drive big powerful (costly) machines.
Cameras and camera vans are not quite as costly, hence you can get more for your pound, but they do not offer the same visual deterrent.
My thoughts are more RPU officers on patrol including in plain cars or the submarine service as they are sometimes known, due to their ability to rise from nowhere, catch you unawares and then disapear again.
Does that answer the question ATT?
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Er - what exactly has this to do with Mud Club or offroading in general? Having re-read the first post I'm not even sure of the point of the thread...
This is 'The Bar' where general discussion is made. 4x4 specific topics have their own place elsewhere.
I would like to suggest we keep it real, guys. Fewer personal comments and this would make an excellent discussion.
Fair enough - just seems some of these threads are simply started in order to generate an argument... :roll:
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Hopefully they lead to debate.
I can get a bit personal at times, but I do feel passionate about certain things and that is often my downfall :oops:
On the whole though, good reasoned and informed debate is a good starting point leading to greater understanding for everybody. :D
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Fair enough - just seems some of these threads are simply started in order to generate an argument... :roll:
Not at all, most people keep it civil......its all about the right to have an opinion.
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Fair enough - just seems some of these threads are simply started in order to generate an argument... :roll:
Not at all, most people keep it civil......its all about the right to have an opinion.
As my dear wife says to me "When I want to hear your opinion, I'll tell you what it is" :)
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As my dear wife says to me "When I want to hear your opinion, I'll tell you what it is" :)
=D> =D>
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Hopefully they lead to debate.
I can get a bit personal at times, but I do feel passionate about certain things and that is often my downfall :oops:
On the whole though, good reasoned and informed debate is a good starting point leading to greater understanding for everybody. :D
Well I think you smell of wee, so there. :lol:
And anyone that disagrees smells of wee too.
On that note... I'll get me coat!
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Thats if you can find youre coat........................I wont waste my time saying anything else ..except dont you have homework..
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Okay - if you want a sensible comment...
Been a biker and car driver 20+ years and an 4x4 driver about 15 or so. I also live on the Isle of Man, so see more than my fair share of motorcycling lunacy. Every year at the TT we have a great number of accidents, often fatal - and more than half are holiday makers, not racers.
The behaviour of some of these bikers is appalling - I'm not talking about speeding, but rather daft tricks like overtaking on blind bends, ignoring double whites, etc, etc. But a lot of the guys are good riders and frankly its surprising how few accidents we get really.
Fortunately the IOM drivers are used to bikes so tend to keep an eye out for us, but we still get the "SMIDSY" syndrome. To date I've lost more than half a dozen mates to motorcycling accidents - about half were their own fault and half down to others. The worst being a guy ran over by an OAP in a hatchback who drove over a stop line at 25 mph - knocked him off his bike and ran him over - had his neck broken.
That serious and sensible enough for you?
And J - you still smell of wee!
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I would just like to add a post that goes back to the original arguement (sorry to be a bore but that's a female for you)
Three years ago my hubby and I were totalled by a baffoon in a mondeo. We were doing 20 miles an hour, with head light on. This 'driver' just cut straight accross our path to turn onto a side road, and, you've guessed it, he said he didn't see us. Wrote off a three month old blackbird put myself and my hubby in hospital with several breakages and bruises.
After three years I have only been back on a bike twice due to my confidence being totally shattered by other 'car drivers' and their lack of vision for bikes. But luckily I am now in to off roading and love my TJ with a passion, plus it has more protection against mondeo drivers :lol:
Lone female now gets off soap box to go laning in jeep :wink:
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The worst being a guy ran over by an OAP in a hatchback who drove over a stop line at 25 mph - knocked him off his bike and ran him over - had his neck broken.
That could be a good topic of debate, namely should there stricter controls on the top age of drivers?
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I would just like to add a post that goes back to the original arguement (sorry to be a bore but that's a female for you)
Three years ago my hubby and I were totalled by a baffoon in a mondeo. We were doing 20 miles an hour, with head light on. This 'driver' just cut straight accross our path to turn onto a side road, and, you've guessed it, he said he didn't see us. Wrote off a three month old blackbird put myself and my hubby in hospital with several breakages and bruises.
After three years I have only been back on a bike twice due to my confidence being totally shattered by other 'car drivers' and their lack of vision for bikes. But luckily I am now in to off roading and love my TJ with a passion, plus it has more protection against mondeo drivers :lol:
Lone female now gets off soap box to go laning in jeep :wink:
If you ever feel the need to be perched on the back again - feel free to give me a shout, and we can have a gentle bimble across the Malvern Hills..
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my god u r from my old neck of the woods, Stourbridge
Thanks for the very kind offer,
hubby still has his original CBR600 and goes out on that but I think I will have to hang my leathers up and opt for the safety of my jeep
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I'll concur, apart from the bit where they ask "why aren't you blah blah waffle drivel moan, bored, going to sleep, wake me up when you have finished bleeting".
My responses to that sort of comment have been
1) "Are you telling me that you know some real criminals and would like to spend more of your time telling me about it."
2) "Because I have to spend most of time dealing with crap drivers like you."
3) "Hang on Sir/Madam" pause, call up on radio in full hearing of the person "Hello Control, do you know of any murders/rapes/armed robberies/terrorist acts going on on my area at the moment? Oh, there aren't any going on? Ok, thank you. No , there aren't any real crimes being committed in this area at the moment. Now where were we? Oh yes, your ticket for speeding/use of mobile phone".
LOL I love it, i'll try that next time... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I figure it no matter how old you are, or what you drive/ride you are going to make an A**e of your self once in a while and you are going to get stopped by the police. It happens, i just don't think we should blame one group of people.
We all screw up, make mistakes errors of judgments, get into bad habits and get a strange attitude behind the wheel. We are human and that is something I have learned from working in the Police.
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again Jas you seem unable to answer any comment without more name calling and crazy assumptions.
Yes some people ride bikes aggressively and as someone has already pointed out so do some car drivers...but by no means all.
So back to the original topic of 62mph limit... what would it achieve. Can someone find some realistic data on crash and death stats as i cant. Maybe then the debate wont merely be opinion and name calling.
And yes i can be downright arrogant at times, but cant we all?
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I've been riding bikes on the public road for 20 years, before that i rode off road from the age of 10. i have never been involved in a bike accident i now have a 1000cc sports tourer, i also try on the bike as well as the car to obey law's and speed limits and i also take offence at the anti biking comments that have been posted.
After the lies and b******t that's spoken about 4x4's, i would have thought some people on here would have more sense than tar everybody with the same brush.
I stand on the same tarmac as att & bulli and the other bikers on this one, sounds like the minority that cannot stand the fact a biker can go through traffic (and will delibrately close the gap to stop a bike getting through) were as a driver on 4 wheels has to sit in traffic.
Get a life will you :evil:
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I cycle, ride a motorcycle, sometimes drive our car, drive a Land Rover, tow a caravan, towtrailers. In all the afore mentioned, there are the good and considerate and also the opposites. Debate is good, but the trouble is if someone dislikes the actions of one group, then generalisation crops up. We only notice the bad, NOT the good. BTW Lord Shagpile, when I was in my teens and early 20's, police officers used to address me as lad or sonny. Why do I, as I approach 60, get called sir? :D
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I'm not a biker but let us not forget that not so long ago we were all up in arms about being tarred with the same brush for driving "Gas Guzzling" 4x4's.
There are responsible & irresponsible people in every section of our community. My father rode bikes from the age of 17 to the day before he died at the age of 81 and never had an accident that was his fault.
We are asking the public to be tolerant of our hobby so please don't attack another section of road users because of a few lunatics.
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We are asking the public to be tolerant of our hobby so please don't attack another section of road users because of a few lunatics.
Well said :D
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Well arnt we so bloody two faced :oops: :oops: I am embarrased :roll:
Anti everybdy that doesnt fit in with your ideal world :twisted:
I drive a corsa daily, I have a RR Classic, and 2 600cc motorbikes and a push bike. I used to drive a 17t flatbed a 7.5t box, a transit luton.
Now I use a LWB Transit pick up at times at work.
I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A BLOODY TARGET ON MY BACK
Anyway, as I have driven all these vehicles I know what I am doing when filtering, I know how to avoid incidents.
My licence is clean and I have been 'pulled' by the police twice in the last 10 years :cry: once the plod told me my jacket belt had come loose, Thank you, and I was done for no seat belt in my corsa :cry:
Let and let live...... when its anti 4x4 we all roar ..... then start on bikers :cry:
or......
ONE LIFE...... GET ON WITH IT AND LEAVE OTHERS TO LIVE THEIRS
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Oh and as for stinking of wee ????? I think you will find it is Poo I smell of cos people keep s***ting on me for my way of life
Steve
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I think what some of this is the fact the good drivers/riders dont stick out when running down the road correctly
The ones that stick out are the ones that drive/ride badly or aggressively
and as it is through time with other things they loud minority make the most noise, and the quite majority carry on
The idiot factor will always be with us, it looks like a heritage that will carry on increasing, with the fact that people know they stand a good chance of not getting caught
The best thing is to not get dragged into it and keep yourself safe, some people just want to commit suicide, let them get on with it and hope they dont involve you with their death wish
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BTW Lord Shagpile, when I was in my teens and early 20's, police officers used to address me as lad or sonny. Why do I, as I approach 60, get called sir? :D
It all depends Stormin',
Sir can be said in so many different ways. I always call everybody Sir, even the ladies. It gets their attention.
Seriously though, politeness costs nothing. In answer to your question, I would like to think that they were being courteous. I always work on the theory of 'treat others as I would want to be treated'.
I gave a chap a ticket once for speeding (oops, done it now!), after I had given him a couple of warnings in the past, and he thanked me for dealing with him in a polite fair way.
I then felt guilty :shock:
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I was going to reply to the original but was locked just as i was to reply
Okay I have no axe to bear at all but..... I can see where Jas is coming from !!!! but this debate should be carried out in a adult manor
My experience with motor bikers are driving back from Peterborough a few years ago before Warmington and Elton had the bypass built and seeing a biker loose it on a few bad bends (going to fast) and go under a Lorry you can guess what happened!!!!! Not nice
A couple of weeks ago a motor biker was clipped by a lorry The biker was undertaking at the time
I could easily say that all bikers are nutters and need a mental health section taking out on them.........but I do know and have seen sensible bikers, its too easily to tar good bikers with a bad bikers (most green laners get it in the neck after the bad unns are long gone!!!!)
One thing I will say everyone will have a different opinion, with that it becomes debate lets keep a good debate going without going off track
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Thats if you can find youre coat........................I wont waste my time saying anything else ..except dont you have homework..
after saying this
Not at all, most people keep it civil......its all about the right to have an opinion.
Unfortunatly if the only way you can express an opinion is to resort to insults then it is probably best if you keep it to yourself.
I like a good debate but this one is just too one sided to be entertaining.
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As has been said by many, there are god and bad drivers, riders, cyclists etc
Live with the fact that everyone has mad moments, designed to ensure the heart is working correctly :)
I ride a bike, and have done for many years, sports bikes, touring bikes, mid range, and have a big BM now.
I do have mad moments, thats why I have a bike, but I also treat all on the road with the same respect, and also think there are some bikers out there that should be pulled for ridding like tw*ts, but there's never a copper round when you need one, same can be said for drivers.
I enjoy being on the road, bike car or 4x4, but if given the chance why sit in traffic? Filtering is illegal is it? Don't think so, if done in a controlled manner, and what is illegal about overtaking someone?
Most coppers will not pull a bike for filtering to the front of a queue of traffic, if done with respect for those around them, but fly to the front with no respect and you wil get hurt one day.
I was knocked from my bike year back by someone that had got bored of siting in a traffic jam so did a U turn into me as I "filtered" past the stationary car, it wasn't me that got convicted of dangerous driving, or walked away with a large amoutn of money in compo, well not really walk away as my leg was in a few pieces, but you get the idea.
live and let live, and avoid the country lanes at weekends, even I do that most of the time :wink:
My rant over, I hate everyone after all :lol:
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feel the love people? :? :shock:
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feel the love people? :? :shock:
tempting :lol: :lol: but I will decline your offer
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feel the love people? :? :shock:
Isn't that what they do in Amsterdam, after eating 'special' cakes?
Er hum,not that I know about that sort of thing, having never been to Amsterdam or eaten special cakes, or............what awful weather we're having don't you think? Very nice if you are a fish, or a duck........... :oops:
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2 wheels or 18 wheels we wll need to stick together. The next few years are going to be tough on us so lets not fight.
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2 wheels or 18 wheels we wll need to stick together. The next few years are going to be tough on us so lets not fight.
Bang on.......There will be a revolution. :lol:
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2 wheels or 18 wheels we wll need to stick together. The next few years are going to be tough on us so lets not fight.
Boggert! You sound like a hippy! Only joking, old mate! Very true sentiments.
Strength through Unity, Strength through Joy, Work for freedom.......no no no no nein nein!
I must stop now! I'm getting confused!
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Don't know how I missed this one, but I stand with the Bikers on here in defence of our right and freedom to ride the bikes of our choice within the laws of the land. If this one gets any more creadence then I'm moving to th Isle of Man - no speed limits outside town = 170+mph and the biggest grin you'll ever get.
I ride bikes because they're fun - have you fogotten what that is Jas. I 4x4 because its fun. When engaged in both activities I do my best to have fun without drawing attention to myself or upsetting others going freely about what ever activity they choose.
I also accept that with freedom comes responsibility, I will take responsibility for my actions legal or otherwise (the law isn't always right or just)
This and previous goverments seem determind to divide and conquer. I'm sure that they go out of their way to demonise minority groups, gather the (sheep like) majority behind their campaigns and the force these groups into becoming part of our History. For this reason I support what rights and freedoms we have left and think that when I see threads like this one its another nail in the coffin of Freedom and another victory to the Nanny state. Once the government has anethatised biking whats next, caravaners, hanggliders, mountaineers or may be those nasty 4x4 things and their owners.
Dare i finish by reminding you what happened to Fox hunting. I would have banned it years ago, but the way the ban was finaly forced through was another nail in the coffin of democracy and freedom.
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2 wheels or 18 wheels we wll need to stick together. The next few years are going to be tough on us so lets not fight.
Boggert! You sound like a hippy! Only joking, old mate! Very true sentiments.
Strength through Unity, Strength through Joy, Work for freedom.......no no no no nein nein!
I must stop now! I'm getting confused!
Yea man roll me a fat one!
OK after that note I'm going to get my FPN's out as I'm working saturday night :twisted:
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2 wheels or 18 wheels we wll need to stick together. The next few years are going to be tough on us so lets not fight.
Boggert! You sound like a hippy! Only joking, old mate! Very true sentiments.
Strength through Unity, Strength through Joy, Work for freedom.......no no no no nein nein!
I must stop now! I'm getting confused!
Yea man roll me a fat one!
OK after that note I'm going to get my FPN's out as I'm working saturday night :twisted:
Yeah man, like woah there, like you're getting heavy on a tripped out heavy cosmic vibe that'll upset the unicorns of destiny in their orbit around Uranus! :shock: Oops, tee hee, had to get a rude bit in! :P