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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: strapping young lad on May 04, 2007, 11:42:10
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6623127.stm
please pay close attention in the story to the location of the parents compared to where the child was! :shock:
its a very bad thing to happen but even so you cant just leave a 3yr old in an apartment in a foreing country on their own sleeping... kids wake up etc...
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Agreed its very sad, but again no way would I leave my child like that.
Though I do remember being left in 1972 when I was 7 in a chalet in Butlins with a stack of sweets and comics, while everyone else went for a jolly in the evening, we where at the mercey of the red coat baby sitters :?
Ste
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You do have to wonder about the parents. Horrible as this is, they are partly to blame whatever the outcome, you simply cannot leave a 3yr old on their own, sleeping or not whilst you go out for a meal!
I hope she turns up and all is well.
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We have a three year old daughter, and I can only imagine how the parents are feeling, especially that they are to blame for the matter, however I hope that they find her quickly and the authorities pull out all the stops to do so.
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This has happened only about 45 mins from me, what I cant belive is that the childs parents are both Docters, why would they leave a child alone even for 10 mins let alone to go for dinner. Its as if people come here on holiday and leave common sense at home.
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Well there are three possible scenarios here:
The Child has somehow wandered off
Foul play by persons unknown
Foul play by the family
Nothing can or should be discounted until the full facts are known. Let's just hope it is safely and happily concluded.
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Personally think the parents should be charged for their criminal act of stupidity..
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Personally think the parents should be charged for their criminal act of stupidity..
Especially taking into consideration their responsible professions. You'd think they'd have more sense. Today's society and some peple's attitude are extremely baffling :?
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heard this on the news at dinner thay said the door had been forced open.
that says foul play to me. I have a five year old and I would not leave him anywere,far to many nutters about.
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I can see the thinking... "Shall we go out?" "No, can't leave the kids." "We'll only be around the corner... we can pop in every few minutes to make sure they're OK." "Alright then, I'm sure they'll be fine."
Probably doesn't seem such a good idea with hindsight.
I know next to nothing about young children but I do know you don't leave them unattended.
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This is awful. Its so similar to the Leoni Keating case in Great Yarmouth. Why leave your kids unattended? There is no excuse for it.
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People are saying its a terrible thing, but as already, was leaving them unattended or someone taking one, strange the other children wern't took or harmed though
Something tells me there is more to be said about this
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Listening to the reporter this morning and she said ''they took it in turn to go back EVERY half an hour, so how long did they leave the kids for.NOTE KIDS-she said that this girl was left with siblings.
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I wouldn't leave my kids alone, we on holiday a few years ago and our flat was only 50 yerds from the restraunt... when the kids went to bed we had to say in, such is life thats what happens when you have kids.
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this is awfull, and i really hope they find her safe and sound..
but those parents deserve the anguish they are going through for leaving 3 tiny kids unattended while they were boozing it up in a restaurant...
when i heard the news i thought they must be a couple of teenage scally parents, but they are both doctors....
shame med school doesn't teach common sense........
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BRITON'S VILLA SEARCHED IN MADELEINE CASE
http://news.sky.com/skynews/home?f=dta
Can only hope it all ends well and this little girl is found safe.
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Soham..... as mentioned in the report!
Hope its right and she's safe and well...... SWMBO and I had a conversation over the weekend whilst caravanning in the New Forest about the types of kids that disappear.... Blond, Blue Eyed....
We payed extra, extra attention to where Lotty was a the time, even when a couple with a six year old girl wanted their daughter and lotty to play together.... Who do you trust.... ( I know its NO ONE but kids have to live too )
Sad world this one!
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Got to agree with you all, I have three kids from 18 months to 6 years, I dread the summer holidays as it means endless hours on a beach trying to keep an eye on them, up and down to the sea to get endless buckets of water, they are the greatest achievements of my life for which both of us would give our last breath, you simply can not leave them on their own!
Rant over sorry.
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Oh how things have changed in this country. Certainly when I was a child I could play out all day. I did that. At eight I went all over by myself locally.
If those parents had left that child in this country they might have beeen in trouble, However they are doctors does that mean that they would take action against a parent who left a child of that age unattended.
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ive got two girls and you seem to get this false security feeling when on holiday, but its possibly worse than at home. more outsiders from every different part of the country or world and nobody knows them from adam. we go down to cornwall every year lovely quite place not many people and them you see are always nice. one week we were there a holiday maker got raped on the beach. dont know weather they cought him or not, but it just shows. hope they find this little girl must be terrifing for her. alan.....
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Um....we've left the kids in the caravan while we've sat outside (8 and 10) - say 50 yards away - at shows. Anyone else?
At the end of the day it looks like this was foul play - and I'll not be letting them in there on their on now :(
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I would never, & have never left my daughter on her own, she is my n°1 priority at all times, she never leaves my sight when out & about, although she doesn't always know I'm making sure she's ok, I always am. These peope have made a mistake, a terrible mistake, that will live with them for the rest of their lives (whether Madeline is found alive or not) we shouldn't say it's what they deserve, because no-one "deserves" what they're going through, or what that poor girl may have been through. I can't imagine the pain that that family are experiencing at this moment & I hope you never do.
Jeff
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This makes my blood boil! I work in the village where this family comes from its been taken over by press and tv crews in the last fortnight trying to scrape up dirt. I have a little god sun who is 3 I won't let him out of my sight he is more than capable of opening the front door yep it takes a while for him to fetch summat to stand on and fiddle the chain but it can be done they are clever little so and so's when they want to be.
I also think if the childs mother had been 16 and a single mum off the local council estate the authorities would have hung,drawn and quartered here by now. seems ok to leave a 3 year old if ya a doctor though.
Hope they find her safe and sound.
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:cry: When I first heard about this story, I assumed that they were at a bar situated at the base of the apartment block they were staying in, but the plan showed the flat to be a good walk away going past a swimming pool. I have two children, 4 and 6, if you have kids you sacrifice a part of your life eg: going out to bars etc, to look after them.
When I was about 5 (in the 70's), and living in Nairobi, my mum left me in her unlocked car to go to the super market, the delivery boy came back without her to put the shopping in the car and I beat the living hell out of him with my bare hands!!
The parents, I am sure, are being punished enough, self reproach is worse than anything.
Please God they find her.
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I dont want to argue about the whats and who etc. My only concern is that the poor little girl is found safe and well, i have 2 children 4 and 5 yrs i cannot imagine life without them. The hurt these parents are feeling must be truly unbearable and more than enough punishment to carry with them for the rest of their days. I truly do hope she is returned soon and safe ,god bless.
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The hurt these parents are feeling must be truly unbearable
Unfortunately not unbearable enough for them to start lobbying the government and create a media frenzy. Funny how they want everybody in the whole country to sort their mess out for them isn't it?
I'm sorry, but they are adults and parents. This incident, whilst tragic, is of their own doing. As with society in general these days, they are not taking responsibility for their actions.
Oh, and I'm sure they'll like the royalty cheques when they make the movie about the whole thing as well.
And if they do find who took her, lets hope they suffer for their actions (although they'll probably just be put in a prison, be fed 3 times a day and be given a nice widescreen telly with a playstation to keep them entertained).
Bitter and twisted from India . . . . :evil:
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unfortunately not unbearable enough for them to start lobbying the government and create a media frenzy. Funny how they want everybody in the whole country to sort their mess out for them isn't it?
Fair point ,i personally in no way condone what they did, totally lacking in responsibility and common sense especially when it was 3 children!!!!. In this day and age child security should be the one and only priority in your life (if you have kids :roll: ). We went to Tunisia a couple years back and were in our room sometimes as early as 6.00pm as kids exhausted with no evening meal for us but one of us could still pop down to get a snack if we needed leaving one always with kids, sacrifice you make for them.
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I feel SO sorry for the child and her family but the parents should be arrested for neglect, sod the pain they are feeling they deserve it!
Callous but they do!
I would not even pop next door with out taking my two children with me if no one else was in!
We will probably eventually discover she just woke up crying and went to find mummy and daddy and has stumbled to her death.. I sincerely hope not though for her sake I hope with all my heart she will be found safe and sound.
Poor little mite.
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i have to say that i agree with all that has been said - whilst i hope and pray that Maddy is returned home - why on earth did the parents not take advantage of the babysitting that was available.
we were in a similar situation with L&J, we were in a hotel for a 50th birthday party, the girls were about a year old. we had a room that we could see from the restaurant. we went back every half an hour to make sure that the baby sitter was not derelict in her duties - the poor girl probably thought we were crazy but our children are the most important things. we have never left them alone, as previous parents have said - we gave up our right to a quiet life and dinners without kids once the girls were born.
whilst i can understand the distress this must be causing the parents - they are making a meal out of it
regards
ela
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I had a missing persons SMS from Orange ... and they seemed to think she was 1.5 metres tall! Thats tall for a 3 (or 4 depends where you hear the news) year old :s
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Whilst I don't condon what the parents have done or did the fact is its been done, it can't be undone and they have to live with their mistake. I have a little girl who is 7 months and by chance is also called Maddy, seeing the distress that her mother is going through it makes me feel sad as I would never want to be in that situation. Now I never leave my little girl anywhere for a second but I think its fair to say that at some point every parent has done it, no matter how longer/shorter time or where or when.
My parents love me to bits and are not irresponsable people and I wouln't hear anyone saying otherwise but I remember my parents leaving me alone in the car every week whilst they went shopping at the supermarket and we went to look at a house to buy that was located about 50 miles away from where we lived and again I waited in the car.
If they find her alive and please god they do or not alive then they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. I do agree that as doctors they should know better or used the babysitter duties but its done now so no point saying "well I would of...."
Lets just pray that she is found and also that the portugal police step it up as so far I think they have been so lapse.
On a different whim, the mother looks distraught but he looks calm and collected....hmm :-k
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also that the portugal police step it up as so far I think they have been so lapse.
On what do you base that comment?
If it's what you read in the tabloids and hear on the telly, how can you believe it? Media frenzy as mentioned before. Last week anti 4x4's, this week missing child, next week anti 4x4's again . . :roll:
I'm sure they are doing all they can, and that the truth will out one way or another.
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also that the portugal police step it up as so far I think they have been so lapse.
On what do you base that comment?
I'm sure they are doing all they can, and that the truth will out one way or another.
True I am going on what I watch and read but thats all we can all go on. Your probably right about they're doing all they can but with portugal law they clam up and don't say anything so from an outsider looking in, as the whole world is you go on what you read or see.
As for a media frenzy, if I was in the position they are in and my daughter was missing then I would try and get as much exposure as I could. Imagine it - foreign country, foreign police etc etc, would you not do the same :?:
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http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/
Let's hope they find her safe and sound, THEN worry about the idiocy of the parents!
James
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Quiet Dinners Without The Kids...... :?:
Lotty (5) and I have been out for a curry tonight...... Amanda had a school govonors meeting and I was starving.... Lou wanted Crispy Pancakes (poppodoms) And Chicken And White Rice..... because she was hungry we stayed and didn't get a take-a-way....
Lou and I eat out together, alone a lot...... actually I take lou out for dinner just the two of us more than Amanda and I eat out alone!
Amanda and I wouldn't dream of purposely leaving lou at home with a sitter just to go out and eat....
Mexican, Italian, Chinky, Indian, portugese.... Lou loves it all.... for me / us it's more fun with her there than not.... I won't evn start with holidays!
find Maddy soon!
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Now I never leave my little girl anywhere for a second but I think its fair to say that at some point every parent has done it, no matter how longer/shorter time or where or when.
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Err no I havn't....!
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Now I never leave my little girl anywhere for a second but I think its fair to say that at some point every parent has done it, no matter how longer/shorter time or where or when.
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Err no I havn't....!
Ok, your child never leaves your sight, never :?: when you hang your washing on the line does your child go out with you rather that play in the house. I know it seems far fetched but you do hear about all sorts of stories and what my point was that no matter how far fetched or how small, parents do leave their children alone at some point, you can't 24/7/365 have your child in your sights.
But ok then you haven't but what I was getting at is that its no good saying who was to blame and I wouldn't do this or that, the main thing is to find her safe and well and then once she is safe go into the whys and hows.
Thats just my views, yes I'm angry about the circumstances but you can see they are suffering and as stated - priorities - find her first then go out and lynch them.
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Two weeks on and still no concrete evidence, no sightings, not really even a prime suspect. While we all hope things turn out well I cannot help becoming rather irked.
As others have already mentioned, these were intellegent individuals, doctors no less, and as such are both very highly paid compared with most of us. I cannot believe that they do not have a nanny or au-pair at home to look after the children. If they are too damn lazy to look after them themselves why did they take them on holiday - there seem to be plenty of people at home who could have had them for a couple of weeks even if there is no nanny.
Why not even pay for the nanny to go on holiday with them? They could certainly afford it. Parents could have had kids in the day leaving nanny time to herself, and nanny could have babysat at night. Seems they were not happy about pushing them round in buggies.
Either way, the only word that springs to mind is SELFISH.
Likewise, the way we are all expected to 'do our bit' in the search. The way that the parents and friends have buttonholed MPs and especially the media is somewhat distasteful; I know we should all be concerned but to have MPs wearing yellow ribbons is crass in the extreme and may also be counter-productive; if I had kidnapped someone and the world and his pet dog were sending out search-parties the first thing I would do is get rid of the evidence as far out to sea or down the deepest darkest hole I could find. I sincerely hope the intense media attention does not panic the abductor/s into this corse of action.
And by spending time writing this I supose I am adding to the frenzy ...
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Two weeks on and still no concrete evidence, no sightings, not really even a prime suspect. While we all hope things turn out well I cannot help becoming rather irked.
As others have already mentioned, these were intellegent individuals, doctors no less, and as such are both very highly paid compared with most of us. I cannot believe that they do not have a nanny or au-pair at home to look after the children. If they are too damn lazy to look after them themselves why did they take them on holiday - there seem to be plenty of people at home who could have had them for a couple of weeks even if there is no nanny.
Why not even pay for the nanny to go on holiday with them? They could certainly afford it. Parents could have had kids in the day leaving nanny time to herself, and nanny could have babysat at night. Seems they were not happy about pushing them round in buggies.
Either way, the only word that springs to mind is SELFISH.
Likewise, the way we are all expected to 'do our bit' in the search. The way that the parents and friends have buttonholed MPs and especially the media is somewhat distasteful; I know we should all be concerned but to have MPs wearing yellow ribbons is crass in the extreme and may also be counter-productive; if I had kidnapped someone and the world and his pet dog were sending out search-parties the first thing I would do is get rid of the evidence as far out to sea or down the deepest darkest hole I could find. I sincerely hope the intense media attention does not panic the abductor/s into this corse of action.
And by spending time writing this I supose I am adding to the frenzy ...
:roll: why should they have nanny, lets get some perspective, here, regardless of salary and occupations a little girl has gone missing, that is priority in finding her. I have three chlidren as well and i feel qualified to
stating a point. Lets just imagine you are put in to this horrible situation, hindsight is a wonderful thing, maye going out for a meal with the kids in bed wasnt such a good idea. But please do not Judge these parents on the crap that is spewed out by the media. We all like to think we are perfect, but until a horrible situation happens to us then we have to deal with it. I think the suffering and uncertainty by the parents is enough.
I think to generalise as selfish is wrong, you dont know them personally only through what the media tells you.
I hope and pray she is found, but as time goes on its looking more unlikely
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:roll: why should they have nanny, lets get some perspective, here, regardless of salary and occupations a little girl has gone missing, that is priority in finding her. I have three chlidren as well and i feel qualified to
stating a point. Lets just imagine you are put in to this horrible situation, hindsight is a wonderful thing, maye going out for a meal with the kids in bed wasnt such a good idea. But please do not Judge these parents on the crap that is spewed out by the media. We all like to think we are perfect, but until a horrible situation happens to us then we have to deal with it. I think the suffering and uncertainty by the parents is enough.
I think to generalise as selfish is wrong, you dont know them personally only through what the media tells you.
I hope and pray she is found, but as time goes on its looking more unlikely[/quote]
I totally agree, what the parents did was out of order, and hopefully they will get Maddie back safe and be able to reflect on how stupid they both were then, suffer the criticism they will undoubtedly receive.
Though if I were in the same predicament I would be doing exactly the same thing to highlight the situation and make it the talking point of the day, only today I have received several e-mails from the chain e-mail her uncle has sent out, if anyone wants it to forward on, PM me.
Talking as a father of two young girls, I do hope she is found safe and well, it would destroy me if I lost any of my kiddies under any circumstance.
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markyd
well said :wink:
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I think to generalise as selfish is wrong, you dont know them personally only through what the media tells you.
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the fact they were boozing it up with friends whilst their three tiny childeren were left frightened and alone in strange surroundings ticks the selfish box for me... as i said earlier, i really hope they find her but those parents deserve the pain they are feeling...
if they were a couple of 18 year old chav parents, social services would have taken the other kids away by now...
I just hope if and when she is found someone brings them to account...
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i,m disgusted with these two idots..they should be dun for leaving there child alone, i think there is more to this than we all know, they are doctors there for they will know alot of people who would pay alot of cash for kids i think they have sold here or summit, no sightings, no sighns, no eveidence, AND ABOVE ALL THE PARENTS HAVNT BEEN SEEN SHOWING ANY TEARS!!!!!!!!! i would be in bits! they seem to calm all there kids should be taken off them there not fit enough to have them!
i have two kids myself and would never leave them alone, a parent is to protect there young not leave them so they can have lunch, selfish gits!
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i,m disgusted with these two idots..they should be dun for leaving there child alone, i think there is more to this than we all know, they are doctors there for they will know alot of people who would pay alot of cash for kids i think they have sold here or summit, no sightings, no sighns, no eveidence, AND ABOVE ALL THE PARENTS HAVNT BEEN SEEN SHOWING ANY TEARS!!!!!!!!! i would be in bits! they seem to calm all there kids should be taken off them there not fit enough to have them!
I have two kids myself and would never leave them alone, a parent is to protect there young not leave them so they can have lunch, selfish gits!
I agree with what you say, and also having two kiddies, as a parent you are right the number one priority are your children before anything else, and it beggars belief that they left them to go and have dinner :shock: :shock:
Though I can honestly say I don't beleive thay have sold them.
I hope and pray, she is returned safe, then the parents can face the music, for which they deserve.