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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Welshbreed on May 11, 2007, 19:06:59
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If you visit the website you will see that, as I have mentioned
previously, our cars are under threat from the EU and there are moves
in various parts of the UK to ban cars more than ten or fifteen years
old from being on the road.
Explanation attached to the petition is:-
"Several EU proposals across the years are dangerous to the classic car
movement. One that has been under consideration is to ban the use of
cars older than 10 years. Similarly, Edinburgh City Council is
considering the banning of cars over 15 years old from the town centre.
These, and similar, proposals directly threaten the classic car
movement, and encourage the manufacture of new cars, with the attendent
environmental issues of sourcing raw materials, manufacturing,
distriuting and scrapping the spiralling supply of new vehicles."
Let's try and nip this in the bud quickly.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Classic-Cars/
Please sign your name to this. EU legislation affects the UK as well as Europe.
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Been and signed it straight away. My little Vitara is 10 years old and still perfectly roadworthy and safe.
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Never happen and if it doe's im off to oz were they have lots of old motors
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even the greenies should be against this, as it would mean thousands of cars suddenly being scrapped and thousands more being made of new materials which would cause tonnes of Co2 etc etc
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well its a pile of crap, but i still signed :D
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tosh.
signed.
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I've got one car thats 78yrs young..... many many MP's have older cars too, they would vote against it i'm sure!!!
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Surely the enviromental cost of manufacturing of a new car is alot greater than keeping an existing car on the road for another ten years.
Seems like madness to me :roll:
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Tosh I hear someone say? already law in France I'm told :?
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Ye Andy-but say no more,it is the French were talking about :roll:
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Ye Andy-but say no more,it is the French were talking about :roll:
hehe
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Remember, france is governed by Europe. so are we. Only the Prime Minister can actually stop stuff coming from Europe with the current laws.
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worring thought , so the majority of us would have cars worth nothing, how would we afford to replace them, id love a td5 or a disco 3. maybee when there about 15 yeas old i might be able too, woops, they'd all be scrap.just hope it never happens,, alan.....
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having taken a rough look at the vehicles on the road yesterday, I don't think any government would dare do so, if only because it seems to apply to around 60% of vehicles out there, without huge subsidies to allow people to renew their vehicles, or a major drop in tax / fuel duty revenue it probably wouldn't be fiscally possible..
and I don't think anyone is going to condone those :-p
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Tosh I hear someone say? already law in France I'm told :?
Tosh!
judging by the amount of 2cv,s i saw over there a month ago i would say their not enforcing it then :lol: they stopped making them over 10 years ago
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not every body can afford or wants to get a new car on hp weve been there done it and didnt like it!!!!!
still like our rrc and old volvo dont matter too much if kids scratch them!!!!
debbie
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did a quick search on the net and can't find anything about cars over 10 years old been banned in france.........
Have signed it anyway.....
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Found that which says it would be done on emissions
http://www.mycarcheck.com/news/2007/02/13/cars-over-10-years-old-face-scrapheap/
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But he explained that drivers would be unable to claim that highly polluting "rust-buckets" from the 1980s or early 1990s should be granted special status as antique vehicles.
Say bye bye to classic cars of that era then. Because a lot at Classic Car Shows are now made up of the 1980s vehicles and early 1990s.
The daft part is, how many old cars of those ages do you actually see on the roads anyway? :roll:
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Tosh I hear someone say? already law in France I'm told :?
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<edit> france the best thing that could happen to that place is sink,<edit> the eu i get fed up of the same old <edit> coming out of that place,that big <edit> shute in kent wants bricking up,fly the flag for blyty...ill shut the door on the way out.. :x :x :D
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Signed :lol:
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Tosh I hear someone say? already law in France I'm told :?
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<edit> france the best thing that could happen to that place is sink,<Edit> the eu i get fed up of the same old <edit> coming out of that place,that big <edit> shute in kent wants bricking up,fly the flag for blyty...ill shut the door on the way out.. :x :x :D
Here Here ...signed :twisted:
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frogs <edit> signed it :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Signed it, but what a load of crap, no way they could do it!
My discovery is 16 year old and good for many more. Unless the whinge bags in government want to pay for my new one they can "go away exclamation mark!"
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Its another attack on the motorist, by banning cars over 10 years old many will be unable to afford them for a while.
But then 9 year old cars will be worth next to nothing most likely on a slideing scale, more cars made more scrapped more greenhouse gasses.
Have been told french cars over 20 years old face restrictions on movement in france by a frenchman, athough some years ago, they are not allowed to leave there area, but don't pay the same tax.
i'll sign the thing
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have signed but why on earth would they make you scrap a car that has passed an mot which involves an emisions test it would be total madnes
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The fact that it would be madness isn't I fear a good enough reason for them not to do it, however, it would also likely be political suicide for anyone that tried to impose such a ban and therefore I would be highly sceptical about whether it will ever be enforced.
I wouldn't be too shocked if we weren't "saved" from this scheme by a much better plan to charge us a "old car European get out clause tax" which is done as a concession to our unreasonableness by our lovely governing types...
Me? cynical ? nah...
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As mentioned already, economic suicide. Yet another reason to back away from Europe, and let them get on with it.
It seems to me that a lot of these rules and regs that come out of the hole that is called Brussels, don't appear to be enforced over there. We are the only mugs that sit back and take this. :evil:
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Why does this government only pick the EU laws that cause the public to panic :roll: I don't see them trying to rush the same laws through for extra public holidays, even Ireland get more than us and we speak the same language :roll: :roll:
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because it's smoke screen tactics, whilst we're runnign around trying to keep the right to drive what we chose where we chose they get to do stuff like this..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/6675627.stm
Thought crime anyone ?
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"I picked it up because it looked interesting and I thought it might be something of importance.
"Then I saw it was a school report, so I put it in my bag. When I got home and looked at it I couldn't believe what I was reading - some of it was scandalous."
So it's okay to read a confidential document that you have no rights to read? And then go and tell it all to the media? The woman seems like she was breaking the law there. :roll:
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oops
wrong article...
I meant this one :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6675335.stm
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Surely the enviromental cost of manufacturing of a new car is alot greater than keeping an existing car on the road for another ten years.
Over half of the lifetime emissions of a modern car are before it leaves the factory. We should be legislating to keep older vehicles on the road, not keeping them off.
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oops
wrong article...
I meant this one :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6675335.stm
I think its called 'offender profiling'. Its been going on for years. Think about it. We've all seen posters asking us to keep eyes out for 'suspicious people or activities'. This is just the next step. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its right. Just another part of state control and the modern day and age which we unfortunately live in.
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Next stop micro chips in the ass and satellite dishes on our heads watch this space :evil:
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From the mycarcheck link
The scheme will crack down on cars that produce toxic substances such as carbon monoxide (CO), nitrous oxides (NOx), unburned hydrocarbons (HC) and tiny carbon specks known as particulates. These products are linked to breathing problems and cancers.
:(biglaugh):
Seriously try finding an internal combustion car engine that would comply with the above. They really shoud read what they have writen as that paragraph is a load of verbal diorea. :smack:
And given the emissions from producing electricity and grose inefficency of batteries then electric cars shouldn't be allowed either.
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cars producing nitrous oxide are no laughing matter...
oh wait..
perhaps they are :twisted:
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oh dear
that one was pooor