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Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: MuddyMachine on May 23, 2007, 20:37:18
I have these on my project, so there not used on the road.

They have plenty on tread but have splits in the side walls.

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/baz9751/Fore%20sale/IMG_2157.jpg)

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/baz9751/Fore%20sale/IMG_2160.jpg)

Are they legal?

Cheers
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Daz800 on May 23, 2007, 21:28:02
for what tyres cost i would change them.

Daz
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: TDi90 on May 23, 2007, 21:37:45
Quote from: "Daz800"
for what tyres cost

Daz


loads ?  :shock:  :?
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: SWEETY on May 23, 2007, 21:40:55
The tyre looks as if the rubber is breaking down & if they were mine they would go in the bin as they could detread which I've seen happen on dunlop car tyres when I was a mechanic. From a legal point of view I would say they are a no no :( But that is only my view sorry
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Daz800 on May 23, 2007, 21:46:42
can be but look at the tread.
For playing off road i would like more than that, infact ive scraped tyres with more tread than that (ok damage side walls etc).

if the tyre looks like that in the outside i would wounder what its like on the unseen inside (or just below).

ok a tyre can look ok but the general rule nowadays is if its over 5 years old it past its best.

Thats my 2p worth.

daz
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on May 23, 2007, 21:51:35
The tread depth may be ok, but if you have got splits in the side walls with the cords showing then dump them, as they won't be legal on the road, and at three points and £60 a tyre, let alone the safety aspect it isn't worth it.
If they are just going to be used purely off road on private land then its your risk.
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: L90OOK on May 24, 2007, 12:26:02
If your not using them on the public highway does matter if they are legal or not??
I have just bought 5x Colway AT Remoulds for £220 & must say I am very pleased with them.  They have the same tread pattern as BFG AT & behave brilliant on & off road.
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: BrumLee on May 24, 2007, 13:24:13
They would be an advise on mot as long as the cracks aren't down to the cords or 25 mm or 10% of section width, whichever is greater. Personally I'd change them as they would be at risk of the tread lifting and peeling.
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Highlander1 on May 24, 2007, 13:35:57
Never assume that because yer car passes it's Mot that it's legal.

Many things which will pass MOT will still get you done under construction and use regs!

Motorbikes for example didn't need a numberplate. Just the number painted  somewhere on the bike for the MOT!

perished rubbers will get you nicked or get her pregnant.
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Eeyore on May 24, 2007, 13:43:25
Ooo, Avon Rangemasters. Excellent tarmac tarmac tyre - abysmal in the mud!

Personally, even with the legal amount of tread that's on the one pictured, I would say those tyres are beyond their working life and there is a definate risk of the tread chunking off.

Shame, because as pointed out above, tyres ain't cheap.  :(

Mine did the same thing after about three years.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Mudlark on May 24, 2007, 15:17:29
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Never assume that because yer car passes it's Mot that it's legal.

Many things which will pass MOT will still get you done under construction and use regs!

Motorbikes for example didn't need a numberplate. Just the number painted  somewhere on the bike for the MOT!

perished rubbers will get you nicked or get her pregnant.



Think you might have something wrong here mate because what you say makes the MOT pointless
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Keri on May 24, 2007, 15:21:27
Quote from: "Mudlark"
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Never assume that because yer car passes it's Mot that it's legal.

Many things which will pass MOT will still get you done under construction and use regs!

Motorbikes for example didn't need a numberplate. Just the number painted  somewhere on the bike for the MOT!

perished rubbers will get you nicked or get her pregnant.



Think you might have something wrong here mate because what you say makes the MOT pointless


I always thought it was (pretty pointless) that is.......
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Eeyore on May 24, 2007, 16:52:11
He has a point.

The MOT should not be taken as a guarantee of roadworthyness, only the vehicles ability to pass an MOT.

There's plenty of modded vehicles out there that can pass an MOT but aren't technically road legal. MOT only tests what the MOT is looking for.  :wink:

What the MOT looks for is pretty valid in a lot of cases, so I'm not dismissing it's creditiablity at all. Just it's unilateral acceptance.  :wink:

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Highlander1 on May 24, 2007, 18:59:17
Quote from: "Keri"
Quote from: "Mudlark"
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Never assume that because yer car passes it's Mot that it's legal.

Many things which will pass MOT will still get you done under construction and use regs!

Motorbikes for example didn't need a numberplate. Just the number painted  somewhere on the bike for the MOT!

perished rubbers will get you nicked or get her pregnant.



Think you might have something wrong here mate because what you say makes the MOT pointless


I always thought it was (pretty pointless) that is.......


MOT covers most of the bits you can see not the bits you can't.

It doesn't allow the examiner to hammer hell out of things just tap gently and prod with the wee plastic alloy handled hammer.

Iv'e had all sorts come to me for MOT over the years bits of chassis held together with pieces of 2x2 timber painted with underseal you name it Iv'e seen it.

Metal plates stuck on with cataloy and dressed with pudding to look like weld!!!!!!!!!!!. :shock:
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Mudlark on May 24, 2007, 20:06:50
I believe the wording is "A MOT only guarantees the roadworthyness of a vehicle at the time of testing"

If your tester is honest he will fail everything such as painted wood and stuck on patches so if he issues a certificate then that vehicle is deemed legal.

I presume that if a police constable suspects a vehicle is not legal he still has to issue a ticket to assert that the vehicle will be checked by a MOT station to prove it's roadworthyness
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: richo on May 24, 2007, 20:30:14
Get rid mate .Better safe than upside down in a ditch
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: MuddyMachine on May 24, 2007, 21:08:01
Im only using them while I rebuild my truck on my front lawn. When im finished ill fit a new set of ATs :D
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Highlander1 on May 24, 2007, 21:42:39
Quote from: "Mudlark"
I believe the wording is "A MOT only guarantees the roadworthyness of a vehicle at the time of testing"

If your tester is honest he will fail everything such as painted wood and stuck on patches so if he issues a certificate then that vehicle is deemed legal.

I presume that if a police constable suspects a vehicle is not legal he still has to issue a ticket to assert that the vehicle will be checked by a MOT station to prove it's roadworthyness


That's the problem your car can look like it's ok to the examiner who can't go scraping the underseal down to bare metal to see if it's a dodgy hidden repair.

But many police officers are traffic examiners. They wouldn't take it to an MOT examiner for his opinion they would sieze it and strip off what they wanted to during an inspection such ar road wheels etc etc.

Cheers hope that clears things up especially if involved in a road accident!!

H1
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Mudlark on May 24, 2007, 23:33:58
And then no doubt the whole thing would be taken to court with an MOT examiner as an expert witness for the defence, the whole thing would go on for months before the CPS offers no evidence - yet another waste of public money
Title: Legal tyre?
Post by: Highlander1 on May 25, 2007, 00:04:36
Aye laddie

But the Procurator Fiscal here does do something about it and believe me you arn't going to waste public money with the PF dealing with things.

Give yer Cps a kick up the kilt. What's worse a guy driving a lethal weapon or a guy who nicks yer stereo think about it.

Prioritories. :?:  :?

Cheers me old mucker H1
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