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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: spyke_boi on May 29, 2007, 11:47:23
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Completely non landy related query here.
I'm a security guard in a hostel/bar in Glasgow city centre, we do get our fair share of trouble and regrettably most of the trouble makers make it away before the police arrive.
What would the legality of detaining an offender after a fight/robbery using restraints such as handcuffs or the plastic disposable cuffs?
Any input would be appreciated.
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What would the legality of detaining an offender after a fight/robbery using restraints such ......... the plastic disposable cuffs?
Guesing you mean cable ties?
I would like to say keep me and set a dog on em until the boys in blue arrive but Im no copper. too much of a wus!! :lol:
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We were allowed to detain people at Express but we wernt actually allowed to cuff them iirc. Detaining mormally consisted of locking them in the staff room :)
Not Recoomended and I beleive you are liable for false inprisonment.
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Completely non landy related query here.
I'm a security guard in a hostel/bar in Glasgow city centre, we do get our fair share of trouble and regrettably most of the trouble makers make it away before the police arrive.
What would the legality of detaining an offender after a fight/robbery using restraints such as handcuffs or the plastic disposable cuffs?
Any input would be appreciated.
I woudl have to say that 'Dahn Sarf' of the border that would probably be a no-no. In fact if you tried using the power of the mind to counter act their negative waves, it would probably more in keeping with the way that the English Police are allowed to deal with things. That is after you have handed them a flower and invited them to sit and chant 'ohmmmmmm' for half an hour.
Seeing as you are North of the Border, where Policing seems to be done in a far more 'logical' way, I couldn't give you an answer as Scottish Law is somewhat different.
If there are any Scots Bobbies on the forum perhaps they should be able to give a better and more sensible answer!
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What would the legality of detaining an offender after a fight/robbery using restraints such as handcuffs or the plastic disposable cuffs?
Wouldn't fastening them upside down from the nearest lamp-post be preferable, with a big sign saying "I Am A Thief' be preferable?
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I would check with your companies lawyer, but the civvie powers of arrest have changed under the Serious and organised crime bill…….oh god its been ages since I did my training on this so don't rely on me!
I do know some of the security staff in the big smoke carry cuffs and have helped out my colleagues when need be, however be careful you don't start cuffing everyone you catch shop lifting or locking them in offices or you will get sued and possibly arrested your self.
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What would the legality of detaining an offender after a fight/robbery using restraints such as handcuffs or the plastic disposable cuffs?
Wouldn't fastening them upside down from the nearest lamp-post be preferable, with a big sign saying "I Am A Thief' be preferable?
Good idea... I'll go get the tar and feathers as well.
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What would the legality of detaining an offender after a fight/robbery using restraints such as handcuffs or the plastic disposable cuffs?
Wouldn't fastening them upside down from the nearest lamp-post be preferable, with a big sign saying "I Am A Thief' be preferable?
Good idea... I'll go get the tar and feathers as well.
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm or not?
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I am pretty sure you could (English law) be libal for a charge of "commom assualt" if you use a restraint on anyone, it's allowed in the states though! Any one hear from the CPS? Even holding somebody is dodgy unless you are 100% you could justify it in a court of law, I have known people who have amitted to shoplifting getting the charges dropped because they threatend to counter claim for false imprisionment, breach of their cival rights and assuat after being carted off to the "office" best bet... when I was at uni in brighton, there was a club near a "big church", and the bouncers where run by a lady who ran a dojo, her staff where all from there. Most incedents they just dealt with in an amazinly quick and orginised AND freindly manner, even giving free soft drinks to offenders to calm then down sometimes but if they had a person who kept causing trouble on a reguler basis there always seemed to be "other clubbers" who managed to get the offender off the premises without the bouncers even noticing....apparently there were report that these "other clubbers2 would sometimes take the offender down the road for a serious kicking too but of course the bouncer staff where never there to see this and never had anything to do with it!! ;)
Suprisingly this club had a reputation of being very safe to visit and was always full of totti!
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as most of you are awear i work for santa-pod raceway and we get a fair share of idiots just recently we had to detain a chap who bottled a member of the public and hit another with a 4' wooden stake in the eye takeing off his eye lense it took 5 security personel to restraine him for 20mins on the ground untill the police finaly arrived and done the nessersery with him, now we had handcuffs and cable tyes avalible but without proper training we could be held liable for prosucution from the police (not the person detained) altho thay did piont out that in this event thay would not have done enything it does leave you open to interpertation as to what is reasonable force or not. so best advice is not to use them and get your self in touch with local police and get on a course as we are now doing :wink:
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Cattle prods!
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Cattle prods!
I'm with you on that one!
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On the subject of restraint you can use as much force as is necessary to keep a person till police arrive.
No use shouting after them when they have just committed a serious assault, " I'm telling on you."
You have to stop the attack and restrain that person to avoid further injury to yourself or others. That means getting hands on.
In Scotland you need to have 2 independent eye witnesses to make an arrest civvy or otherwise.
If it's a petty assault shouting, being a drunken prat don't detain the person
Only if they are being assaultive and violent.
Get yourself along to your nearest police station and ask for a course run for door men they will keep you right. You might even pick up some tips on self defence.
You can't arm yourself with anything which could be used as a weapon of defence.
You should have enough persons on the door to deal with a violent offender. but remember if you get attacked and his mates say you've been heavy handed 2 witnesses and your off to the cells so always without exception have a witness.
Cheers H1
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On the same restraint matter do get a self defence course set up a fat drunken cretin can soon pass out and die if left lying on their beer belly.
The velcro wraps on legs and arms would be a safe option so you couldn't be accused of blocking ciculation.
handcuffs new or old can turn into lethal weapons when swung by an offernder like wise you can break a wrist if applied without training.
Cheers H1
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What would the legality of detaining an offender after a fight/robbery using restraints such as handcuffs or the plastic disposable cuffs?
Wouldn't fastening them upside down from the nearest lamp-post be preferable, with a big sign saying "I Am A Thief' be preferable?
Good idea... I'll go get the tar and feathers as well.
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm or not?
Nope, I'm all for bringing back the stocks for our local scrotes!