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Title: winch security
Post by: spinkster on July 17, 2007, 17:09:40: Ok today saw me take delivery of my brand spanking new Superwinch EP9.5i..............and what a stunning lump of kit it is (I hope it winches as well as it looks!!!)..........anyway.....piece of cake to fit, it's only four bolts, but obviously its also a piece of cake to remove, and you can guarantee it'll be a scrote that'll try!!! So, not really wanting to weld the nuts, does anyone have any suggestions for making it more difficult to remove??
Title: winch security
Post by: xmob on July 17, 2007, 17:18:54: I have absolutely no idea what size thread is used, I don't own a winch ( :( ), and have never fitted one. So I'm hardly an expert, but: Can locking wheel nuts somehow be utilised?
Title: winch security
Post by: Mudlark on July 17, 2007, 17:24:23: Doesn't matter ho difficult you make it to get off a gas axe will still manage it :lol:

mine is buried deep in the front of the car as are many - just undoing 4 bolts is not going to free it
Title: winch security
Post by: spinkster on July 17, 2007, 17:28:02: ah mine is in open view on the front of the defender....it might as well be lit with neons!!!!
Title: winch security
Post by: 90Mike on July 17, 2007, 18:03:38: Hi guys has anyone seen these before
http://www.firstfouroffroad.co.uk/winch_parts1.htm
Armacap security bolts might give them ago :)
Title: winch security
Post by: J.D. on July 17, 2007, 18:10:40: If you weld the bolts, they will only nick the winch bumper it is in, if you weld the winch bumper bolts they will just nick the car.

Easiest way - get a large dog!
Title: winch security
Post by: Mudlark on July 17, 2007, 18:12:58: Quote from: "Disco Mike"
Hi guys has anyone seen these before
http://www.firstfouroffroad.co.uk/winch_parts1.htm
Armacap security bolts might give them ago :)

I take it you mean these:

(http://www.firstfouroffroad.co.uk/new_pa20.jpg)

Not sure if my heads are 17mm though :roll:
Title: winch security
Post by: 90Mike on July 17, 2007, 18:13:22: Or these http://www.firstfouroffroad.co.uk/ACCESSORIES.htm :)
Title: winch security
Post by: spinkster on July 17, 2007, 18:30:04: cheers guys ...i might order a set of them drive on thingumies!
Title: winch security
Post by: 90Mike on July 17, 2007, 18:32:38: just been looking at them but how do you remove them if you need to take your winch out :?
Title: winch security
Post by: Oz on July 17, 2007, 18:42:26: good question
Title: winch security
Post by: spinkster on July 17, 2007, 19:02:31: very valid point ..............and considering i want to change to a tubular bumper eventually i should look into this more!!
Title: winch security
Post by: Range Rover Blues on July 17, 2007, 19:48:31: If it's your car you can use the angry grinder, just that you can't remove them at the side of the road.

Personally my winch is removable, now I'm after a new front bumper to make it stronger.
Title: winch security
Post by: Mudlark on July 17, 2007, 20:05:44: Quote from: "Disco Mike"
just been looking at them but how do you remove them if you need to take your winch out :?

Hammer and chisel
Title: winch security
Post by: Bush Tucker Man on July 17, 2007, 20:16:39: An old tip was to use a short length of strong tubing (with a suitable washer brazed/welded in the end to form a cap with a hole in it

Then a hole was drilled in the side. After fitting, a pop-rivet was applied.
Okay, it will not stop the serious thief, but the opportunist won't be able to get a socket on it.
Title: winch security
Post by: shaun and co on July 17, 2007, 20:19:18: if you go down to your local nut and bolt shop they should be able to sell you shear nuts. when you tighten them up the hex head shears off just leaving a conical collar. Again its a case of chiseling them off if you want to remove them though. when i fitted mine i just replaced the winch bolts and the bumper bolts with ones an inch longer, tightened them up as normal and then welded the end 10mm of the bolts so if i need to get them off i can cut 10mm away from the bottom of the bumper/ chassis leg and dont damage anything. means little scrote can loosen the winch or bumper but cant nick it! also bought a stoplock as anything with a winch bumper on it is a prime target for ram raider scrote.
Title: winch security
Post by: tonka toy on July 17, 2007, 20:33:51: OEC 4x4 do a product called nogo enclosures,with these you stick the bolt through the hole bolt it back in and whack a cover over the nut.

to get them off you have to angle grind them off, a pain but you can also stick some on your bumper to stop them taking that as well.

about Â£10 - Â£15 for five.

they will be at billing or go to their web page and look under security fasteners.

hope this helps

neil
Title: winch security
Post by: rollazuki on July 17, 2007, 20:55:53: You need one of these stickers:
Title: winch security
Post by: lee celtic on July 17, 2007, 21:31:52: pass the hook off your winch through your letter box and hook it round your leg :wink:

There are cups you pass the bolt through then when they are tight you wack a plug into the end giving nothing to grip onto when you want them off you hold the cup with mole grips and drill out the plug . 8)
Title: winch security
Post by: lee celtic on July 17, 2007, 21:37:57: Just had a thought go to your local engineers and get the right size bolts in a left hand thread the average thief will be there all night making sure the things are tight for you ...:lol: :lol:
Title: winch security
Post by: Bat Fastard on July 17, 2007, 21:56:39: I like that... a left hand thread.

It would be nice to get up one morning to find somebody had tightened your winch mounting bolts for you :lol:
Title: winch security
Post by: spinkster on July 17, 2007, 22:03:59: agreed............i like the left hand thread thingy!!!
Title: winch security
Post by: Dr Neil on July 17, 2007, 22:27:36: I just replaced one of my 17mm headed bolts with an external torx one, admittedly if you had the correct socket you could undo it easily but not many people would think of carrying one around when nicking a winch.

just an idea

Neil....
Title: winch security
Post by: ben_haynes on July 17, 2007, 22:34:06: Quote from: "Dr Neil"
I just replaced one of my 17mm headed bolts with an external torx one, admittedly if you had the correct socket you could undo it easily but not many people would think of carrying one around when nicking a winch.

just an idea

Neil....

the onlt prblem with these is you can fit a 12 sided socket on these and they work like a normal Bolt
Title: bolts
Post by: minty on July 18, 2007, 21:16:16: paddocks do a winch bolt set the bolts are dome shape with counter sunk holes very much like alloy wheel nut lockers only smaller for winches :wink: