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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on September 11, 2007, 19:25:44
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Very frightening when you consider that this is not far from the truth. Being a Police officer in the UK
Question:
How do you tell the difference between a British Police Officer ,
And an Australian Police Officer and an American Police Officer?
Answer:
Pose the following question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children.
Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the
corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife,
and charges.
You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot.
You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
What do you do?
UK POLICE OFFICERS Answer :
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of
his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does
this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to
wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away
while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 1-1-1?
Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint
and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would
discourage such behaviour.
If I raise my gun and he turns and runs away, Do I get blamed when he
falls over running away, knocks his head and kills himself? .
If I shoot him, and lose the court case, does he have the opportunity
to sue me, cost me my job, my credibility and I will lose my family
home?
AUSTRALIAN OFFICERS Answer:
BANG!
AMERICAN OFFICERS Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click....(sounds of reloading)
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
BANG!
click.
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Dad! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?"
Now before anyone starts on about likely to cause offence, lack of respect etc etc, it was sent by a Brit Police Officer to another Brit Police Officer, and is, I would suggest, a tongue in cheek bit of humour at differing attitudes.
It also made me laugh :twisted:
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We were once the strongest empire in the World.......The brit answer should be........I am sorry, the question that you ask is so 'out there' that we do not know how to answer it.......But due to the British disease of greed and selfishness and looking after ones mates, we need to answer it, the answer due to the PC rubbish and the racist probability is a difficult one, which by that time you are brown bread...... :roll:
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We were once the strongest empire in the World.......The brit answer should be........I am sorry, the question that you ask is so 'out there' that we do not know how to answer it.......But due to the British disease of greed and selfishness and looking after ones mates, we need to answer it, the answer due to the PC rubbish and the racist probability is a difficult one, which by that time you are brown bread...... :roll:
Er, you lost me there matey :?
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Yep, lost me too :? :? :?
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Sorry guys.......I guess I am saying that we were once wealthy enough as a nation to ensure that the whole of society had a fair chance, we could have been so much better than what we are now, we were given the chances and the finances, but the money was used by the selfish rich to ensure that the peasants remained peasants......Simple really...And when we began to run out of our own peasants we imported others from the four corners of the globe.......
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We were once the strongest empire in the World.......The brit answer should be........I am sorry, the question that you ask is so 'out there' that we do not know how to answer it.......But due to the British disease of greed and selfishness and looking after ones mates, we need to answer it, the answer due to the PC rubbish and the racist probability is a difficult one, which by that time you are brown bread...... :roll:
BANG !!!
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Sorry guys.......I guess I am saying that we were once wealthy enough as a nation to ensure that the whole of society had a fair chance, we could have been so much better than what we are now, we were given the chances and the finances, but the money was used by the selfish rich to ensure that the peasants remained peasants......Simple really...And when we began to run out of our own peasants we imported others from the four corners of the globe.......
How far back did the importation start? I blame the Romans.
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att
What are you on about now?
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How far back did the importation start? I blame the Romans.[/quote]
Were the Vikings before or after?... :shock: :?
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How far back did the importation start? I blame the Romans.
Were the Vikings before or after?... :shock: :?[/quote]
After, I think. But they didn't shoot anybody, nor did the Romans. They just got drunk alot and had orgies. Which was nice.
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Ahhhh...so true...but they did have Archers (...and not the kind you have over ice :wink: )
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Hmmm Aussie policeman Hampshire, that sounds familiar :wink:
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We were once the strongest empire in the World.......The brit answer should be........I am sorry, the question that you ask is so 'out there' that we do not know how to answer it.......But due to the British disease of greed and selfishness and looking after ones mates, we need to answer it, the answer due to the PC rubbish and the racist probability is a difficult one, which by that time you are brown bread...... :roll:
BANG !!!
Tiki.... Can I borrow your gun so that I can shoot too :wink: :D
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Would that be for the purposes of humane high speed lead injection for the benefit of the forum?....If yes, I have a whole arsenal you could borrow! :wink:
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More tazers :twisted:
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I think they missed the bit where the Brit PC gives the man the telephone number of his local anger management meeting, details of a nice social worker, and then gives him his collar number just in case the man with the knife wants to make a complaint about him!!! :roll:
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I think they missed the bit where the Brit PC gives the man the telephone number of his local anger management meeting, details of a nice social worker, and then gives him his collar number just in case the man with the knife wants to make a complaint about him!!! :roll:
Is that before or after the Peace Circle manouver has been carried out?
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I think they missed the bit where the Brit PC gives the man the telephone number of his local anger management meeting, details of a nice social worker, and then gives him his collar number just in case the man with the knife wants to make a complaint about him!!! :roll:
Is that before or after the Peace Circle manouver has been carried out?
'Peace Circle Manouver'? That's a new one on me, don't need these fancy techniques whilst lurking in the background and driving fast cars. :tongue:
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I think they missed the bit where the Brit PC gives the man the telephone number of his local anger management meeting, details of a nice social worker, and then gives him his collar number just in case the man with the knife wants to make a complaint about him!!! :roll:
Is that before or after the Peace Circle manouver has been carried out?
'Peace Circle Manouver'? That's a new one on me, don't need these fancy techniques whilst lurking in the background and driving fast cars. :tongue:
Its in the Manual of Guidance. What you do is get everybody round in circle and discuss your innermost feelings while hugging dafodils. If nothing else, it makes the opposition wet themselves laughing, then when they are incapacitated, you hit them with big bunches of lillies, then handcuff them with organically grown hemp rope cable ties, which are useful as you can 'recycle' them afterwards, apparently, if you know what I mean, not that I've ever done that sort of thing! :shock:
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Manual of Guidance! Stop using that filthy language near me! I'm more on a par with the old school of thinking, all this Fairness in Action drivle, Blah! Flog them with birches, bring back the stocks and send them into National Service, Crikey, I sound like my dad!!
What's with the scarey avatar LSP, and you've gone all poetic on us. :shock:
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Manual of Guidance! Stop using that filthy language near me! I'm more on a par with the old school of thinking, all this Fairness in Action drivle, Blah! Flog them with birches, bring back the stocks and send them into National Service, Crikey, I sound like my dad!!
What's with the scarey avatar LSP, and you've gone all poetic on us. :shock:
It is a 'homage' to my Old County, namely 'Black Shuck' the Hell Hound of Norfolk.
This link explains all:
http://norfolkcoast.co.uk/myths/ml_blackshuck.htm
The Darkness also wrote a song about him.
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i say arm the old bill with as much ammo a they can carry, and if they feel the need to shoot, let them.
let me have ago of running the place for a month, i can guarantee there will be very little crime after said period.
the only question is how petty a crime do we come down to before we dont shoot.
im sic of watching all the telly programs with british coppers running around after idiots, if they had nice guns they could open the car window and just drop them. problem sorted, idiot gone!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6990144.stm
is an interesting concept and not entirely unrelated to this one...
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What makes me laugh (well cry really) is the derisory sentences being dished out.
I thought it was illegal to run from a copper. Resisting arrest? Evading capture? I dunno but why isn't there an instant penalty for pegging it down the road from the Police?
I certainly never have anything to hide so it wouldn't bother me. It seems we pander to the criminal too much. If you're not up to no good what's the point in legging it.
Ed
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Very frightening when you consider that this is not far from the truth. Being a Police officer in the UK
Question:
How do you tell the difference between a British Police Officer ,
And an Australian Police Officer and an American Police Officer?
Answer:
Pose the following question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children.
Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the
corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife,
and charges.
You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot.
You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
What do you do?
UK POLICE OFFICERS Answer :
Double tap...better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6 :roll:
Also bring back public hanging & national service :twisted:
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What do you do?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does
this send to society and to my children?
The kids would say "why you messin' about pops, gimme the pistol and let me put a cap in his ass. We know how to, we learnt about shooting in the playground" :shock:
I remember watching one of those America 'Cops' programs where a guy had shot a burglar in his house and was apologizing to the cop saying "I didn't mean to kill him, I just wanted to scare him", the cop said "if you didn't invite him in your house it's his own fault, don't worry you did good and it's one less crook we need to worry about".
Over here you'd be hand-cuffed, paraded out in front of your neighbours, questioned for hours at the police station, held on remand and then a court case facing murder. Where's the justice?
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Double tap...better to be tried by 12 than carried by :roll:
Also bring back public hanging & national service :twisted:
Double tap? Thats what gets people killed, as the SO19 guys found out in the Police comp. they shot in the US, every double in centre of mass no problem, but marked as failed/killed by assailant. Then they watched the US cop's go through, body body HEAD, treat all assailants as high on PCP/angel dust, if the first 2 don't stop them, head shot 'em!
Still doesn't stop them shooting each other though, Gatwick, Winchester and lord knows how many other times....
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The only question is how petty a crime do we come down to before we dont shoot.
I reckon Judge Dredd had the balance about right.... 8) :lol:
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thats assuming he meant body shots the SAS shoot double taps for the mouth...they stop most things but i understand you have to be a heck of a marksman.
i think its sad that the police face possible prosecution for doing their job! its ridiculous!
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Oh lordy, it's going to be 'cat/pigeon interface scenario'
Oookay, my view is that we give the police guns all the time. Not because of fear of crime, but because everytime we let 'em have guns at the moment they seem to get a little bit excitable and 'accidents' happen. Yeah, okay, it's a gross generalisation, but bear with me a mo.
'Accidents' can include a guy carrying a chair leg in a carrier-bag getting shot. Or an electrician getting gunned down, point black, on the tube. Niether of these guys had commited a capital offense, yet by their misunderstanding of the situation they both end up dead. And that's not right. Miscomprehension isn't a crime.
So, in some respects, yes, the inncoent do have something to fear. If I get wrongfully arrested, at the moment I walk away with a sound apology and a wad of cash. If I get wrongly jobbed, then I walk nowhere. An apology ain't a lot of use to me when I'm six foot down.
If we give more of our serving officers guns - is the sense of responsibility going to improve, or will I get jobbed one day for mishearing a shouted command?*
I don't think it's wrong that anyone should avoid prosecution for actions leading to the loss of life. Whether they're found guily afterwards, well, thats a different question.
cheers
8)
Eeyore
*FWIW and being serious for a mo, after a settling-in period I think the novelty of having a firearm will wear off and our boys in blue will be stable with the additional responsibilty. The question then comes if whether having a gun will make them more of a target? As long as I get a sensible answer to the responsibility question, I think I'm cool with the concept. :wink:
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thats assuming he meant body shots the SAS shoot double taps for the mouth...they stop most things but i understand you have to be a heck of a marksman.
Yep...a UK military double tap :twisted: ...Yanks never get it right :roll:
i think its sad that the police face possible prosecution for doing their job! its ridiculous!
Well said =D>
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AUSTRALIAN OFFICERS Answer:
BANG!
Surely it would be " Thats not a knife.... " :D :lol: :D
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Blimey! It was meant to be an amusing aside to the current state of the Policing in the UK. :?
Guns? Believe me, some of the plods I've seen and worked with, I wouldn't trust with a hose pipe let alone a firearm, me included!
As for Anti-Social behaviour, I am a firm believer in the Ray Mullen school of Policing.
Zero tolerance, but for everybody.
You damage a park bench, a fine
You don't wear a seat belt, a fine
You gob gum on the street, a fine
You speed, a fine
No ifs and no buts.
No "Officer, you can't stop me, I am in the same Lodge as your Chief" "Oh really? Well, have a ticket with my name on it and give him my regards when you next see, buttmunch".
No "You iz only stoppin' me coz I is white/black/gay/straight/disabled/able bodied/drive a motorbike/drive a 4x4/drive a pimped up Nova or Saxo"."I'm stopping you because you broke the rules, you fool!"
Very simple.
You break the rules, your ass is grass.
You play by the rules, we'll get on fine sir.
You attack Emergency staff, you go do for 5 years hard labour and lots of bending down to pick up dropped soap.
I could go on, but I am starting to get angry. :evil:
All I want is a country where everyone can live a normal, happy life without the fear of crime, terrorism and other unpleasant stuff.
Utopia? May be.
You vote, you decide.
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Hummm,
was it the flying squad or the local KC's that slotted those 2 in ChandlersFord today?
Niel.
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You attack Emergency staff, you go do for 5 years hard labour and lots of bending down to pick up dropped soap.
Got to agree 100%
Attack Any member of any of the services, & you're going down for 5years!
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Hummm,
was it the flying squad or the local KC's that slotted those 2 in ChandlersFord today?
Niel.
Very interesting that! We've been talking about that today. :wink:
Just seen the news. Looks like a Squad job.
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That is just so true!
Made me smile!
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Oh lordy, it's going to be 'cat/pigeon interface scenario'
Oookay, my view is that we give the police guns all the time. Not because of fear of crime, but because everytime we let 'em have guns at the moment they seem to get a little bit excitable and 'accidents' happen. Yeah, okay, it's a gross generalisation, but bear with me a mo.
'Accidents' can include a guy carrying a chair leg in a carrier-bag getting shot. Or an electrician getting gunned down, point black, on the tube. Niether of these guys had commited a capital offense, yet by their misunderstanding of the situation they both end up dead. And that's not right. Miscomprehension isn't a crime.
So, in some respects, yes, the inncoent do have something to fear. If I get wrongfully arrested, at the moment I walk away with a sound apology and a wad of cash. If I get wrongly jobbed, then I walk nowhere. An apology ain't a lot of use to me when I'm six foot down.
If we give more of our serving officers guns - is the sense of responsibility going to improve, or will I get jobbed one day for mishearing a shouted command?*
I don't think it's wrong that anyone should avoid prosecution for actions leading to the loss of life. Whether they're found guily afterwards, well, thats a different question.
cheers
8)
Eeyore
*FWIW and being serious for a mo, after a settling-in period I think the novelty of having a firearm will wear off and our boys in blue will be stable with the additional responsibilty. The question then comes if whether having a gun will make them more of a target? As long as I get a sensible answer to the responsibility question, I think I'm cool with the concept. :wink:
In all seriousness, I personally think it would be unlikely for every officer to be armed full time, purely on the logistics side of things. The cost of equipping everybody with weapons and armour and also the cost of training, refresher courses and setting up of ranges would be prohibitive.
The other thing would be mentally capable of carrying a gun? I can think of at least three occasions in my 16 years where I would have been more than justified in pulling the trigger, but if I would have been able to is another matter.
In relation to the two incidents mentioned above. Both were tragic accidents, agreed, but what has to be bourne in mind is that the officers reacted after having received a briefing before hand.
If the briefing is formed round information that the subject is carrying a weapon, then it surely has to be accepted by all there that he is carrying a weapon.
This is why there are more trials being carried out in relation to other methods such as Tazer.
The other question would then be would a Tazer be the right weapon to stop a suicide attacker, with a electrically operated device?
It is a very emotive subject and constanly looked at with hindsight.
There will now be reports in the Press about the shooting in Hampshire, and it won't all be good. Excessive force, gung ho cops etc etc. This is the same Press that two weeks ago were on about arming the Police full time.
No mention of the poor guys who were doing their job, that they are paid
to do, as they now get suspended and investigated.
Again, its tragic that two people have died, but if they go out with the intention of carrying firearms, imatation or otherwise to commit crime, then no sympathy.
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I have always said I would not want to carry a gun at work... no way
however a Taser Is a different story, just as affective and with out so much chance of killing some one.
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Looks like they did not mess around in Chandlers Ford 8)
I spent a lot of time with the US Police in the 90`s.....Very interesting indeed...Not to mention a tad racist in the Southern States. :(
I was made an Honourary Police Officer and still have the proclamation to this day :oops: 8)
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As for Anti-Social behaviour, I am a firm believer in the Ray Mullen school of Policing.
Zero tolerance, but for everybody.
And the Sheriff Joe Arpaio(?)style of imprisonment?
http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Sheriff_Bio
You vote, you decide.
Would you be in favour of having a public election in the requisite county/force area to select the Chief Constable, instead of the Home Office appointing Officers???
I was in favour of Ray Mallons way of working. I particularly liked his (post resigning) speech to the Police Federation(?) when he told the Officers present to;
Kick in the doors of known dealers/thugs/criminal elements in your town.
Drag them to the station, charge them & let your superiors worry about their Human rights issues
(or words to that effect)
My kind of cop
Keith Helliwell was another one to watch before he fell foul of the Labour party muck-raking machine& was banished
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Just browsing the 'MSCO.org' site I linked to above.
What a great idea, photos of fugitives & relevant information, dead-beats, etc.....
Sadly I can't see it catcing on over here
PLUS, there's a tribute page to the Officers who died in the line of duty
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Looks like they did not mess around in Chandlers Ford 8)
I spent a lot of time with the US Police in the 90`s.....Very interesting indeed...Not to mention a tad racist in the Southern States. :(
I was made an Honourary Police Officer and still have the proclamation to this day :oops: 8)
does that mean you can say "you picked the wrong county to haul ass through, boy!"
A very illuminating experience, I should think! :?
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Very interesting that! We've been talking about that today. :wink:
Just seen the news. Looks like a Squad job.
I thought I recognised one of the UMARVs from Segensworth too, by the looks of it they had some good inside info, makes a change, in Eastleigh its usually the russians...
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I can hear it now. The challenge to the villains;
"Drop the shootah, you slaaaaagggg, you're surrounded by armed 'bar stewards!"