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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: auf_wiedersehen_pet on September 20, 2007, 22:17:43

Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: auf_wiedersehen_pet on September 20, 2007, 22:17:43: I need to replace the belt and tensioner on my 300tdi Disco. So far.....

:?: The belt is Â£28+VAT Genuine or Â£12+VAT pattern.
:?: The tensioner is Â£60+VAT Genuine or Â£27+VAT pattern.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: Jim-Willy on September 20, 2007, 22:26:46: I have genuine belt and tensioner and it doesn't squeak, my dad has pattern parts and it squeaks a lot until it gets going, mainly the belt though i think.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: Bulli on September 21, 2007, 05:06:22: its one of those things that you really shouldnt skimp on. If it goes wrong then the bill could be huge.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: L90OOK on September 21, 2007, 07:54:30: Quote from: "Bulli"
its one of those things that you really shouldnt skimp on. If it goes wrong then the bill could be huge.

I agree...buy genuine :wink:
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: freeagent on September 21, 2007, 08:54:18: You might be able to find an OEM belt and tensioner (ie made by the people who sell them to landrover) you want a GATES belt, as they sell to Landrover..

not sure who makes the tensioners though...
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: Guardian. on September 21, 2007, 09:38:27: theres a few things its just nice to know youve spent your money and done it right!
peace of mind, might all be a load of rubbish and pattern part much better than an origional ( it does happen), but belts, brakes etc, i always fit genuine.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: auf_wiedersehen_pet on September 21, 2007, 10:21:20: Many thanks for the replies.......

My research is bringing up some interesting info.

ERR4708 is the part number for the tensioner and ERR4708G is for genuine tensioners. Many places show ERR4708G as a genuine item but put different makers name in brackets - usually DAYCO.

The cheapest I have found displays both pattern (DAYCO) and genuine (DAYCO) on the same page at different prices!!

http://www.mansfield4x4.co.uk/shop/en/browse/Range+Rover+Classic/3/0/3/6/7

Does anyone have the part number for the belt - 1995 300Tdi Disco Auto?
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: karlo on September 21, 2007, 10:40:14: Quote from: "freeagent"
you want a GATES belt, as they sell to Landrover..

Yes Gates make a lot of OE belts, I have one on mine and wouldn't fit any other type of aftermarket belt.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: auf_wiedersehen_pet on September 21, 2007, 18:23:35: Quote from: "auf_wiedersehen_pet"
My research is bringing up some interesting info.

ERR4708 is the part number for the tensioner and ERR4708G is for genuine tensioners. Many places show ERR4708G as a genuine item but put different makers name in brackets - usually DAYCO.

The cheapest I have found displays both pattern (DAYCO) and genuine (DAYCO) on the same page at different prices!!

http://www.mansfield4x4.co.uk/shop/en/browse/Range+Rover+Classic/3/0/3/6/7

Latest update...

New GENUINE belt at Guy Salmon (Portsmouth) Â£12 Inc VAT.
New GENUINE tensioner at Guy Salmon (Portsmouth) Â£85 plus VAT.

The assistant kindly let me study the "GENUINE" tensioner and the casting clearly showed the manufacturer as DAYCO - same as the "PATTERN" ones that everyone else is selling.

:lol: Bought the belt over the counter but will phone Mansfield 4x4 for the tensioner.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: Range Rover Blues on September 22, 2007, 13:19:31: Didn't someone say Dayco were part of that big Indian corp that's trying to buy LR?

Anyway, I've fitted a couple of their pattern tensioners (D44 were a good price, better than paddocks :wink: ) and they are just as good as OEM.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: Les Henson on September 22, 2007, 17:21:25: Usually the belt is replaced as part of a kit - belt, tensioner, idler wheel, crankshaft sprocket, idler stud and nut, tensioner hex bolt, washer gasket, and timing cover gasket. The OE crankshaft sprocket has a spot welded shoulder on it that is prone to coming off - with resulting damage to the timing belt or worse if it breaks. I buy a boxed kit from Bearmach - the sprocket shoulder is part of the sprocket itself and doesn't come off, and the belt is Dayco.
I always thought that Dayco supplied timing belts to L/R?

Les.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: extreme90 on September 22, 2007, 19:05:43: les, your getting old :P :P
there onabout the aux belt :lol:

wel, i hope they are :shock:
dan :P
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: Xtremeteam on September 22, 2007, 19:42:01: Quote from: "TheBlueySilverThing"
les, your getting old :P :P
there onabout the aux belt :lol:

wel, i hope they are :shock:
dan :P

thats what i thought
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: extreme90 on September 22, 2007, 20:30:16: good job nidge doesnt hover on this forum then :P
unless we copy it over onto lr4x4 for them to chuckle at :twisted:
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: Les Henson on September 23, 2007, 09:37:01: In that case why replace the tensioner? if it's just the bearing, then replace it.

Les.
Title: Do I buy genuine or pattern belt and tensioner.
Post by: auf_wiedersehen_pet on September 23, 2007, 11:48:39: Quote from: "TheBlueySilverThing"
les, your getting old :P :P
there onabout the aux belt :lol:

wel, i hope they are :shock:
dan :P

Yes it is the aux belt.

The reason for the tensioner change is two fold...

:arrow: The bearing is going and with the tensioner away form the belt, movement in the bearing is obvious.
:arrow: The rubber which connects the moving arm to the fixed pivot is collapsing. So much so that the front face of the tensioner (the plane of which should be parallel to the plane of the front of the belt) is tilting towards the engine.

The replacement is Â£27.50 from Mansfield 4x4 and my previous post show pattern part makers DAYCO to be the OEM manufacturer too.