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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Boggert on November 12, 2007, 08:28:03
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Looks like they are thinking about a fuel protest again...
Do you support them...??
Would you put up with having no fuel as the depos are blocked with protesters...??
I for one would, as i think the price of fuel is crazy in this country??
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I run on veg oil :) Go for it.
In all fairness something has to be done but this could easilly end up as an own goal if people arent careful.
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Would you put up with having no fuel as the depos are blocked with protesters...??
Wont happen, well not as planned.
Government passed a ruling that the MOD can be used to break blockages and deliver fuel, to assist with the running of the emergency services and support personnel.
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Whilst i appreciate that fuel prices are subject to market forces, i do object to paying 180 on rfl and >75pc on fuel tax, on the basis of if i am charged more i may be less inclined toward using my 19 mpg truck.
Away back and hug your tree and leave me in peace.
Start taxing volcanoes they have loads more carbon footprint(whatever that is) than my car.
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Yep, lets go for it!
I can run on veggie oil too :(biggrin):
Cheers
Mark
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Im up for it, why should we be forced into a corner and use alternative fuels :evil:
We all know that bio/veg fuels will be next to have tax banged on it, so make a stand at the very least let the feelings be known, remember an election is not that far off :wink:
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yup ....go for it ..
can run on alternative fuels anyway :D
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We can run on LPG so who cares, but they never seem to work, so whats the point? Fuel is the price it is because of the government, not the oil, not the refinement not the transport (although they blame it on these), if they drop fuel prices something else will have to go up to compensate, we'll never win so why make life more difficult by closing roads and causing major tailbacks?
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The way I see it is, if everyone just keeps buying fuel and moaning about it - nothing will happen, as at the end of the day, your still buying it. Your in a rut as you don't wanna pay the prices but your forced to as you need your motor. If anything is to be done about fuel prices then action needs to be taken and if protesting is the only way then so be it. Do you think Mr Brown, who currently is reaping all that fuel tax (TBH he does run a thirsty jag!) is going to think ' :-k hmm, I see there is a petition, i'd better do something about it :^o ' I think not.
Veg oil is an alternative but with no pre heater for veg oil then in this weather and by that I mean the cold starts its not going to be good for some people, but saying that I don't know much about this bio fuel as I'm not running it and haven't looked into it yet :oops: :lol:
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Looks like they are thinking about a fuel protest again...
Do you support them...??
Would you put up with having no fuel as the depos are blocked with protesters...??
I for one would, as i think the price of fuel is crazy in this country??
You're an idiot then aren't you? The price will never come down, the speculators in the oil markets and the extreme demand and supply conditions will not allow it. If you don't understand this, don't comment.
What right have you, hauliers and assorted yokels (who don't pay anything like the same as the average motorist does) to decide if I can have fuel or not? Go argue the toss with Gordon Brown, it isn't anything to do with me. I'm entitled to go about my lawful business and you've no right to stop me by restricting my acess to fuel. I couldn't care if it's 50p or £5.00.
Hopefully the Police will get up off their backsides this time, apply the law, crack open the batons and crack a few heads!!
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You're an idiot then aren't you? The price will never come down, the speculators in the oil markets and the extreme demand and supply conditions will not allow it. If you don't understand this, don't comment.
What right have you, hauliers and assorted yokels (who don't pay anything like the same as the average motorist does) to decide if I can have fuel or not? Go argue the toss with Gordon Brown, it isn't anything to do with me. I'm entitled to go about my lawful business and you've no right to stop me by restricting my acess to fuel. I couldn't care if it's 50p or £5.00.
Hopefully the Police will get up off their backsides this time, apply the law, crack open the batons and crack a few heads!!
Wow, someones got 'issues' here.
Whilst I don't support the protest, I wouldn't stop anyone having a fair say, or asking a fair question. I'm sorry but there's no such thing as dumb question, but that post <simply wasn't nice> (edited in view of Moddies comment).
Boots
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Whilst the Club is happy to support open debate, we'd appreciate if it was kept polite, otherwise we lock it down. [-X
C'mon folks, you know the score by now. :wink:
Cheers
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Eeyore
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You're an idiot then aren't you? The price will never come down, the speculators in the oil markets and the extreme demand and supply conditions will not allow it. If you don't understand this, don't comment.
What right have you, hauliers and assorted yokels (who don't pay anything like the same as the average motorist does) to decide if I can have fuel or not? Go argue the toss with Gordon Brown, it isn't anything to do with me. I'm entitled to go about my lawful business and you've no right to stop me by restricting my acess to fuel. I couldn't care if it's 50p or £5.00.
Hopefully the Police will get up off their backsides this time, apply the law, crack open the batons and crack a few heads!!
Wow, someones got 'issues' here.
Whilst I don't support the protest, I wouldn't stop anyone having a fair say, or asking a fair question. I'm sorry but there's no such thing as dumb question, but that post could be reckoned on being a dumb answer.
Boots
There is such a thing as a dumb question. The 1st post in this thread is one. If you want to have your say then have it by whinging outside the gates of Downing Street. Don't have it in a way that affects me or my life in any way. You have no right to do so.
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thats not a daft question, that a legitamate question, he is intitalled to his opinion as you are but I think the way you have tried to flog him down was a little uncalled for, I mean come on, calling him an idiot and then trying to insult his intelligence by saying 'if you don't understand this comment, don't comment'
Do you wanna go back to bed and get back up on the right side :?:
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I have no intention of starting an arguement here (it's not what I came back for), but your opening post could have been put as 'no. I don't agree' and then with reason for the disagreemnt expressed.
I will admit it is an emotive issue, but neighbour, everything tends to a limit. Calling someone an 'idiot' just wasn't nice.
toodles
Boots
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I have no intention of starting an arguement here (it's not what I came back for), but your opening post could have been put as 'no. I don't agree' and then with reason for the disagreemnt expressed.
I will admit it is an emotive issue, but neighbour, everything tends to a limit. Calling someone an 'idiot' just wasn't nice.
Whilst I'm inclined to agree with the above poster, can I ask both Wellieboots and Guy90 to step back from the discussion for the time being (yes, I'm naming names). =;
Fuel is a potentialy flamable issue (quite literally, too!), but try and keep a hold on the emotions until a way can be found to express them constructively. All views are appreciated, buts as was said in my earlier post, we all know the score regarding respect in posts.
Anyhoo, I've said my peace, back to the topic in hand! :wink:
Cheers
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Eeyore
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Looks like they are thinking about a fuel protest again...
Do you support them...??
Would you put up with having no fuel as the depos are blocked with protesters...??
I for one would, as i think the price of fuel is crazy in this country??
You're an idiot then aren't you? The price will never come down, the speculators in the oil markets and the extreme demand and supply conditions will not allow it. If you don't understand this, don't comment.
What right have you, hauliers and assorted yokels (who don't pay anything like the same as the average motorist does) to decide if I can have fuel or not? Go argue the toss with Gordon Brown, it isn't anything to do with me. I'm entitled to go about my lawful business and you've no right to stop me by restricting my acess to fuel. I couldn't care if it's 50p or £5.00.
Hopefully the Police will get up off their backsides this time, apply the law, crack open the batons and crack a few heads!!
Firstly... I object to being called an idiot! :twisted:
Secondly... 78% at this moment agree with me... :lol:
Thirdly... The first time there was a successful protest the intended price hike was put on hold for a few years so it worked.
Now I'll hold the rest of my comments mate as it would not be polite on this forum to say what I am thinking... At least i can do that!
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I'd support it, no worries!
Thing is, not so long ago we had high fuel prices, and the crude oil was $70 a barrel, but the exchange rate at the time made it more like £50 in our money.
Now we are told that the crude oil is reaching $100 a barrel, but in todays exchange rate that is LESS than £50 a barrel.
SO WHY ARE WE PAYING MORE FOR FUEL, by that arguement we should be paying the same as a few years back which was 90p a litre
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I'd support it, no worries!
Thing is, not so long ago we had high fuel prices, and the crude oil was $70 a barrel, but the exchange rate at the time made it more like £50 in our money.
Now we are told that the crude oil is reaching $100 a barrel, but in todays exchange rate that is LESS than £50 a barrel.
SO WHY ARE WE PAYING MORE FOR FUEL, by that arguement we should be paying the same as a few years back which was 90p a litre
Good point :wink:
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Looks like they are thinking about a fuel protest again...
Do you support them...??
Would you put up with having no fuel as the depos are blocked with protesters...??
I for one would, as i think the price of fuel is crazy in this country??
You're an idiot then aren't you? The price will never come down, the speculators in the oil markets and the extreme demand and supply conditions will not allow it. If you don't understand this, don't comment.
What right have you, hauliers and assorted yokels (who don't pay anything like the same as the average motorist does) to decide if I can have fuel or not? Go argue the toss with Gordon Brown, it isn't anything to do with me. I'm entitled to go about my lawful business and you've no right to stop me by restricting my acess to fuel. I couldn't care if it's 50p or £5.00.
Hopefully the Police will get up off their backsides this time, apply the law, crack open the batons and crack a few heads!!
So in the same post you have called him an idiot, and also asked him to get up off his backside and stuff???
Oh well, you just cant please some!
I voted for it, i also rely on my car to be able to leave the house but i would stay at home for a week or so in order for it to be affordable for me to do so!
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I think you will find some of the issue is the way things are taxed with regard to certainly Petrol and Diesel which is percentage not a fixed figure (Like you would pay if you go over your 2500ltrs of veg oil).
The fuel companies are taxed the moment the fuel lands here if the government chooses to increase that tax they then pass it onto the reseller, Now you pay tax on the reseller price if there being charged 1 penny more by the Fuel company you can add another 4 pence tax to that because Petrol and Diesel have something like 400% tax on them.
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My point would be that the last round of fuel protests were the first case of this government being forced to take notice of public opinion, which they certainly don't do very often. My personal feeling is that we are too apathetic politically, the current administration knows this and therefore ignores public opinion as and when it suits them. A few more spectacular strikes/blockades in the French mould would probably do wonders for teaching them that government is supposed to serve the people, not the other way around!
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I'd support it, no worries!
Thing is, not so long ago we had high fuel prices, and the crude oil was $70 a barrel, but the exchange rate at the time made it more like £50 in our money.
Now we are told that the crude oil is reaching $100 a barrel, but in todays exchange rate that is LESS than £50 a barrel.
SO WHY ARE WE PAYING MORE FOR FUEL, by that arguement we should be paying the same as a few years back which was 90p a litre
Unfortunately it's not that simple. With the dollar losing value, due to the upheavel in the housing market (uinterest rates went from 1% to 5%).
The requirement for oil in China has increased again. The oil companies are having to recalculate production capabilities and long term survival.
Stock markets are no longer trusting the dollar and are investing in Oil, this inturn is pushing the cost of crude oil up. The political cliamate being caused by various countries having disagreements on how the should be run, is having a effect on supply.
The fact that Sterling is strong against the dollar is having the reverse effect for oil prices in the UK.
Fuel blockades are not a good thing. It punishes those that choose not to live crammed into towns and cities. Sorry but cutting fuel supplies to outlying areas can have server problems for many people. We don't all have the ability to walk / ride bikes to the shops or work.
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Looks like they are thinking about a fuel protest again...
Do you support them...??
Would you put up with having no fuel as the depos are blocked with protesters...??
I for one would, as i think the price of fuel is crazy in this country??
You're an idiot then aren't you? The price will never come down, the speculators in the oil markets and the extreme demand and supply conditions will not allow it. If you don't understand this, don't comment.
What right have you, hauliers and assorted yokels (who don't pay anything like the same as the average motorist does) to decide if I can have fuel or not? Go argue the toss with Gordon Brown, it isn't anything to do with me. I'm entitled to go about my lawful business and you've no right to stop me by restricting my acess to fuel. I couldn't care if it's 50p or £5.00.
Hopefully the Police will get up off their backsides this time, apply the law, crack open the batons and crack a few heads!!
Can tell you work for C&E :lol:
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If you want to have your say then have it by whinging outside the gates of Downing Street. Don't have it in a way that affects me or my life in any way. You have no right to do so.
I'm not going to get drawn into the debate, however just for the sake of clarity, I should point out it is now illegal to protest within a certain distance (is it a mile?) of both Downing street and the houses of parliament without express written consent from the police force.
This applies to single person protests as much as it does to hundreds of folk.
I think the key issue is not whether a person, or even group of persons should agree with a potential protest at all, but the intended target of the protests themselves. I can appreciate Guy's perspective that it will inconvenience just about everyone except the intended target (somehow I don't think that many MPs will suffer) and it is a dangerous action, and a bit of an assumption to make, it's certainly restricting the freedoms and privilege of the people who's interests it's supposed to serve.
However, I can also appreciate the other perspective since having recently run piglet for a while I'm practically skint.
However, there is, as always a need for a clear goal of any protests, and then to have the protest directly serve those goals.
BP have announced a 45% decrease in profits this year, so indications are that they are attempting to shoulder as much of the price fluctuations as they can, or at least that their shareholders will allow.
The forecourt garages are all being driven out of business by Tescos and the like as they cannot afford to run petrol / diesel as a loss leader, so whether the intended action is to make petrol only available from mainstream garages and supermarket brands or not, it is a likely consequence.
The government aren't known for reducing taxes on fuel, or indeed anything else so caution would be welcome in expecting too much, I assure you that if the tax were reduced tax on something else would go up to compensate.
Perhaps the best we can hope for is to not have an increase at the next budget, but that is itself risky as the money is likely to be drawn from somewhere else.
Funny world we live in isn't it?
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Just FYI
I was on the front lines for the last one, literally, I think every single shot outside fawley had either my Metro van or the LT28's in it. As a person I supported it and as a Business.
There were a lot of misconceptions about the whole thing brough about by the media and the government.
The biggest being that People died and medical emergencies were affected
Utter tosh!. Any tanker that was being sent out to refuel EMS bases and stations closed for just EMS use were allowed through.
In fact we didnt actively stop one tanker.
There is more risk to it now but as a country we are really good at being sheep and this does seem to be the one issue that we were actually listened to. On the flipside with so much dissent about so many things right now it would be highly dangerous for the govt to allow it to work. After all, there are other issues much more pressing now then fuel price was 7 years ago.
Guy90 you are priviledged to your own opinions, as are we. Remeber Boggert is also a member of the plod too, so you might want to think about what you said. Granted its not much of one, but we do live in a democracy (of sorts), remeber that please.
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Just a point about local garages being drummed out of business by the likes of Tescos and others.. Our local Esso in North Berwick is currently cheaper than the tescos at the other end of the town less than a mile away.....
Is it the same groups as before that are looking to protest??
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Not just the FUEL Id support a total shut down of this hole ,of a country ,until we get somebody decent in charge to sort the hole bloody mess out which is ENGLAND. :wink:
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Not just the FUEL Id support a total shut down of this hole ,of a country ,until we get somebody decent in charge to sort the hole bloody mess out which is ENGLAND. :wink:
Minor point, but one that must be made....................
it is not just ENGLAND. We as a nation are BRITAIN and as such we are all governed by a central government. That means SCOTLAND, ENGLAND, IRELAND and WALES.
I agree with what you are saying, but please remember that SCOTLAND, WALES and IRELAND are not part of ENGLAND we are part of BRITAIN!
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it will never happen!
farmers who helped out on the last protest won't do it again as they will lose out on subsidy's.
and it will be the same for the lorry drivers, the last one was ownerdrivers and there's not as many left now. as well they will lose their operaters licences.
the best way is for ALL the haulage companies to put their prices up for transport then the price of food/goods will go up and in turn something will go down, the down side to this is the big boys in transport won't do it (likes of dhl,wincanton,tnt,k&n) as they will just under cut a smaller company's.
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Not just the FUEL Id support a total shut down of this hole ,of a country ,until we get somebody decent in charge to sort the hole bloody mess out which is ENGLAND. :wink:
I agree with what you are saying, but please remember that SCOTLAND, WALES and IRELAND are not part of ENGLAND we are part of BRITAIN!
I agree , but you guys have youre own bigwigs now , I did nt think the majority of Welsh Scots Or Irish wanted tobe with us anymore ?
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Well just to stick my thoughts in. I was with the last one yes i am a truck driver and yes we can get cheaper fuel when we bulk buy but its only about 10 per ltr cheaper but we use about 400 ltrs a DAY. So how can we compeete with forign trucks who are paying under half that price for fuel and come over here with full tanks (about 1500ltrs) so can and do undercut us for work in the uk. So yea bring it on its about time gorden brown had a wake up call That this united kingdom is getting fed up of been treated like morrons. As for the army running the fuel depots good in thiory but that are not trained in station delivery So it would be fun to watch them do that.
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Take look at this document :
http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices_1896_todate_gallons.pdf
Then take a look at this :
http://www.hbosplc.com/economy/includes/16-04-05GeneralElectionsandhouseprices.doc
Is fuel actually as expensive as we make out? 10 years ago we earned less. 2 years ago most of us, in jobs, earned less. Remember when £5 was a lot of money? The £20 note has replaced the fiver.....
I think it is a psychological thing ... just like we happily pay over £3 for a pint of 1664 now ... even tho down the road it might be £2.55.
Maybe I'm rambling, but I think if you compare prices of other things and then see where the petrol prices are going .... it's not THAT far from where you'd expect it to be. That or make it 5p again, and re-align all our wages... so we all earn £2 a week!!!
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but you guys have youre own bigwigs now
Wales don't. They have an assembly but it has no power (unless something has changed...)
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I agree , but you guys have youre own bigwigs now , I did nt think the majority of Welsh Scots Or Irish wanted tobe with us anymore ?
I don't think the Welsh sheep farmers are happy with it, apparently it's estimated that they need £140m to ensure that there aren't masses of sheep farmers going to the wall over the recent F&M, and Blue Tongue restrictions.
The Welsh Assembly has decided that £7m will be sufficient, hence, the sheep farming community in Wales is upset.
I understand the money from Westminter for English sheep farmers is more realistic.
Swings and Roundabouts, BTW, the dogs names are Henry, George, and Harry, not Fluffy!
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I agree , but you guys have youre own bigwigs now , I did nt think the majority of Welsh Scots Or Irish wanted tobe with us anymore ?
The Welsh Assembly has decided that £7m will be sufficient, hence, the sheep farming community in Wales is upset.
I understand the money from Westminter for English sheep farmers is more realistic.
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Thats what happens when you water down the majority...
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T. Remember when £5 was a lot of money? The £20 note has replaced the fiver.....
i still see £20 note as alot of money.......hell i still see £5 as a lot of money :wink: :lol: :lol:
yes i have a good income but at the end of the day i look over the channel and think......why am i paying so much for the same thing...
then as gtomo2 says.....is it any wonder why so much work is going abroad...they can do the work alot cheaper....hualing our good up and down the country
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I wouldn't moan about the cost of fuel if I was paying something on par with the rest of the world but I am not.
The motorist is shafted in this country, not just fuel but everything related to the car, it will be like it was in the 1920's before long, only the rich will be able to afford to own a car and drive it
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Cost of living is different. You can't just compare fuel costs and say "it's cheaper there". Wages, cost of living, house prices, taxes etc all play a part. We can wade in and take advantage of their "cheap" fuel, but to the people on the continent their fuel is also *expensive*.
It's a really difficult thing to normalise at the moment.
We had a guy over from SA - everything here was very expensive to him. When I go to SA everything seems cheap. However - we can both afford to live in our *own* countries.
See what I am getting at?
If you want fuel the same price all over the continent, then we'll REALLY have to join the EU, and take wage cuts .... scary thought!
Oh by the way ... I'm just adding all this stuff for discussion!
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hen as gtomo2 says.....is it any wonder why so much work is going abroad...they can do the work alot cheaper....hualing our good up and down the country
Easy solution : We all have to work for less .....
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if there is a fuel blockade the we will see how many alternitive fuel cars are around
the way i see it there will be a lot of 4x4s still moving on lpg and dio-diesel/veggie oil and loads of people complaining about it instead of standing up and getting counted
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Is fuel actually as expensive as we make out? 10 years ago we earned less. 2 years ago most of us, in jobs, earned less. Remember when £5 was a lot of money? The £20 note has replaced the fiver.....
yeah .but less than 10 (a mere 7 in fact) years ago my 3 bed semi was 51k .....i am certain wages have not gone up in line with house prices ...which is the main outgoings of peoples wages without being taxed to death on fuel and road tax.....it's all a massive red tape back door hike to get everyone to stay at home and not use our rapidly failing road system.....for those in the haulage industry will know profit margins have been literally cut to the bone..
i am all for any protest that gives this dictatorship a kick up the rear :D
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As the once mighty u.s.dollar is not so influential in the world as it once was,(black market trade in the far east and russia/eastern europe seems to be done in euros nowadays)maybe oil producing countries should start trading oil for euros instead...perhaps then the u.s.would have to take a step back..
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Your foodstuffs will become more expensive than fuel very soon as the compettition hots up for arable space..... :lol: :lol:
Oh how I larfed.........You will starve before you reach your destination in an economic manner very soon, you read it here first...
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I demand the repeal of the corn laws!
Oh wait, am I in the right century ?
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Getting back to the original question - Yes but for the following reasons:
Every time the price of oil increases the government make more money out of us through taxes. For this they do not improve the road network.
Furthermore, the increased tax take is added to by charging VAT on the tax we are already paying.
My RRC will run happily on bio-diesel while the weather is above freezing but the van I drive for work will not. Result - a bit more holiday for me if the pumps run dry :lol:
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I'd support it, no worries!
Thing is, not so long ago we had high fuel prices, and the crude oil was $70 a barrel, but the exchange rate at the time made it more like £50 in our money.
Now we are told that the crude oil is reaching $100 a barrel, but in todays exchange rate that is LESS than £50 a barrel.
SO WHY ARE WE PAYING MORE FOR FUEL, by that arguement we should be paying the same as a few years back which was 90p a litre
In a word .... TAX
OK another phrase springs to mind too... Rip off Britain !
Last week the yanks were moaning about paying $3 a gallon .... if they were paying our price it would be nearer to $8 per gallon ... even allowing for their gallon being slightly less than ours.
As per usual, the working man (and woman) is being taxed to death to pay for the Govt's inadequacies.
I would support blockading BP stations, they are always dearer than anyone else.
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I'd support it, no worries!
Thing is, not so long ago we had high fuel prices, and the crude oil was $70 a barrel, but the exchange rate at the time made it more like £50 in our money.
Now we are told that the crude oil is reaching $100 a barrel, but in todays exchange rate that is LESS than £50 a barrel.
SO WHY ARE WE PAYING MORE FOR FUEL, by that arguement we should be paying the same as a few years back which was 90p a litre
In a word .... TAX
OK another phrase springs to mind too... Rip off Britain !
Last week the yanks were moaning about paying $3 a gallon .... if they were paying our price it would be nearer to $8 per gallon ... even allowing for their gallon being slightly less than ours.
As per usual, the working man (and woman) is being taxed to death to pay for the Govt's inadequacies.
I would support blockading BP stations, they are always dearer than anyone else.
I thought it was the other way round, i thought their gallon was 5 litres and ours was 4 1/2?
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Nope, US gallon is 3.785 Litres. Imperial gallon is 4.546.
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Hmmm .. seems no-one has actually studied the document I posted :(
Tax on fuel is actually lessening .... take a look!
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Hmmm .. seems no-one has actually studied the document I posted :(
Tax on fuel is actually lessening .... take a look!
Its not so much missing the point as an easy target.
Most of the adult population are drivers and this is probobly the biggest and most easilly targetted form of tax for them(us) to protest against, hold figures up for etc.
Most people arent going to care about reading something like that, they see the prices going up and get hacked off, and as already pointed out, we are still getting caned in relation to the rest of the planet. You also have to make allowance for readers of certain papers for whom words over four letters long are a strain.
A mate was complaining about it going over 49p/litre where he lived last night!!
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if there is a fuel blockade the we will see how many alternitive fuel cars are around
the way i see it there will be a lot of 4x4s still moving on lpg and dio-diesel/veggie oil and loads of people complaining about it instead of standing up and getting counted
Where you going to get the LPG from, as a blockage would stop that being delieverd too!
Veg oil will run out, through lack of fuel for supermarket deliveries and unless you hold a stock of Bio-diesel, getting the stuff may prove problematic.
It's not just vehicles that will be effected. But the whole of the countries infrastructure, including food, water and heating!
Maybe it time to put the pressure on the vehicle manufacturers to do more towards economy, rather than top speed and acceleration.
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Littlepow - WELL SAID.
I'm not the only one that can see it :shock:
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Actually, massa Neil, one could argue that your figures only cover up to 2005, and one could argue furthermore that said figures do not include VAT.
The fact that the taxation level was in 2005 a couple of percent points lower than in 2004 still does not excuse the fact that the taxation levels (and not only in fuel duty) in the UK are still among the highest in Europe.
The price of Diesel is roughly the same everywhere, yet Mr Brown is making us pay through the nose, not only with direct duty, but also benefiting 1p on every 5 the prices go up, thanks to the VAT.
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I think the key problem is that there is only a limited amount of solutions to the "problem"
as has been observed elsewhere the country takes increasing amounts of money to run, whether this is due to increased civil service spending, wage hikes or people sitting on huge piles of cash whilst screaming "I'm lord of the banana people" isn't all that relevant, the government is required to do something.
Reducing expenditure is rarely considered a governmental talent, irrespective of the government in question, so about the only solution is to raise additional funds to cover the need. If you think that it's unfair to do so via fuel costs then that is your right, however I assure you that if they didn't do it via this mechanism they'd use another.
Different countries have different ways of ripping off their population, sorry, I mean taxing them. Usually countries which are regarded as being "better" have a greater divide between the rich and the poor, take the US for example, 80% of the money is in the hands of 1% of the population or something equally outrageous, in Britain at least we're all pretty even on the pauper front. Whether this is fair or not is an entirely different conversation.