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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: L90OOK on December 02, 2007, 00:02:12
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Ok...I am not an anti smoker, smoking etc...however I am anti smoking if...i'll just flick/stub the end out HERE... :evil:
I recently tapped on the window of a car, that had undone its window to throw the fag butt out of, flicked the butt back in (still alight) whilst politely telling the occupier they had dropped something. :twisted:
They proceeded to get out the car shouting & moaning...until they eyed me up...(I'm 6ft & 18stone :D ) then just looked embarrassed, apologiesed & [!Expletive Deleted!] off :lol:
My gripe is how many other people do this & don't get challenged?
I know it is allot as I have seen the amount of fag butts on the floor! :evil:
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i wud o bin a bit stuck really in that situation
5 10 an 11 n half stone
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Nice one J. There are times I've wanted to do that... but I think I'm a bit more likely to get beaten up than you :twisted: I can just imagine your tone of voice as you said it too :lol:
I do wonder why people who would never dream of throwing a sweet wrapper on the floor, think it's fine to throw a fag butt? And before anybody says it's only leaves, the filters are loaded with plastics and are not easily biodegradable...
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no i don't have a problem but i'm 6 foot and 21 st :lol:
oohh and i chip it and bin the butts!
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Im sorry but what you did was dangerous and irresponsible. Nevermind leaving yourself open to being charged with Breach of the Peace or fire rasing. We do not live in a country where it is acceptable to be a vigil anti, taking the law into your own hands is never a good idea. Espcially when we have a trained and insured Police force to do it for us.
Dave
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I'm intruiged as to where you purchased the extremely large brush that you seem to have tarred all smokers with?....B&Q?....Homebase?...or the same place one would obtain high horses and soap boxes?? :shock: :?
As for discarding redundant cigarettes in the street...erm...well....firstly, that's kinda what we pay a portion of our council tax for, so the streets can be kept clean and tidy by employing the rarely seen Street Sweeper...and if the emphasis is on us to "dispose of responsibly", then surely councils should provide suitable litter facilities in order for this to happen?! ...throwing a cigarette butt into a conventional litter bin is a fire hazard, but perhaps this didn't cross your mind when you launched one back into someones vehicle. :shock:
Similarly, throwing a butt out of a car window isn't in itself the greatest littering crime of all time, if you ever pay attention to the amount of rubbish that graces our highways and by-ways. Cast your mind back to those dumb St Georges flags that were sported by just about every other car, fluttering manically from the arial...where did they all end up?...shredded and discarded on grass verges the length and breadth of the country....without so much as a backward glance.
If your going to have a pop at one sector of society, then at least have the good grace to include every other form of discarded material in your list of annoyances.....chewing gum....MacDonalds/Burger King wrappers....drinks cans....the list is quite literally endless!!
And Thermi, if you want to jump on some kind of Green Crusade, I hope you can hold your hands up in a holier than thou manner, and confidently say you've never discarded something you shouldn't?!....think of all the junk we merrily throw in our waste bins, that ultimately ends up in landfill...most of that ain't biodegradable either.
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ooo... getting a bit irate in this one!!
Landfill (been my area of expertise) take between 30-100years before the material is considered inert (basically soil)
..and at a mere 5'8", and 10.5stone, i`d agree with the big fella, although i dont think he was right in throwing the lit end back in.. there could have been a baby seat in the front seat... or the car could have caught fire... ie, BadPerson!!
as for throwing lit cigs in bins... well most cars on the road have an ash tray for a reason, true for most of us its to hold the screwws from the bit of the dash we recently re-fitted, or fuses etc... but theres one there nevertheless...
flying fag ends at night are probably the worst... when your on the motorway, its black apart from an explosion on your windscreen when the truck infront tosses his end at you... not good..
in warmer climates, a fag end is responsible for a lot of forest fires.. Greece this year? SWMBO`s mum has a can with a bit of water in, just make sure you remember!!
iffy subject, and i`m sure people will dis/agree for a number of pages yet...
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I also ride motorcycles......The lighted ciggy end has seen a fair few idiots chastised, whacked and has seen damage done to their vehicle, usually the mirror as they are not using it anyways :roll:
I am not anti anything......Unless it involves the Govt... :lol: :lol:
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As for discarding redundant cigarettes in the street...erm...well....firstly, that's kinda what we pay a portion of our council tax for, so the streets can be kept clean and tidy by employing the rarely seen Street Sweeper...
Does that mean it's OK to burgle a house, as we pay a portion of our council tax to the police who go and sort it out? :? Should I be able to throw my MacDonalds wrapper on the ground, on the basis that somebody's paid to clear it up?
And Thermi, if you want to jump on some kind of Green Crusade, I hope you can hold your hands up in a holier than thou manner, and confidently say you've never discarded something you shouldn't?!....think of all the junk we merrily throw in our waste bins, that ultimately ends up in landfill...most of that ain't biodegradable either.
Green Crusade?! :lol:
I can confidently say I've never discarded litter in the street - absolutely. If people want to throw cigarette butts in the bin, that's fine by me, as that's where rubbish is supposed to go. That's not even remotely the point I'm making. This is about littering. I'm not expecting people to EAT their cigarette butts; just not to throw them out of the window.
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I'm an ex smoker, I will be the first one to say its not right to do that, thats why you have an ash tray.
To be fair it is littering and I know in Grantham they use to publish CCTV footage in the paper of perple putting their fags out on the pavememt and then fine the people if they knew who they were. It is littering one way or another. No different than throwing the sweet wrapper on the floor.
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As a smoker, (feel the hate, baby!) I tend to either use the ashtray in the car, or, if at work, nip the end off ( :shock: ) and put the stub in my coat pocket.
The reasons being is that as a fascist pig of the Dictatorial regime, I am not allowed to be seen to be doing anything that may upset our customers as it may tarnish the 'Image of the Constabulary'. (Irony in itself as the Bosses do a good enough job of that as it is). Hence No Smoking on duty. Load of balls! If I've been dealing with some lowlife and want a ciggy, I'll have one!
No Smoking within 10 metres of a Plod building, in case the clouds of toxic fumes drift into the building and kill everyone or in case people see us and get traumatised by the sight of us enjoying our filthy, anti social habit.
And before anyone comes back at me, I have stuck people on for chucking fagends out of their car window. He said "Prove it was mine". I said "DNA, prove to me it isn't yours!
Good on L90OOK for returning the item, although I would have stubbed it out first.
There is one thing I would like to ask . This person was clocked dumping a fag end out of a car window.
How come when I have had to deal with a flytipping incident, nobody ever sees it being dumped? :(bigsmoke):
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I recently tapped on the window of a car, that had undone its window to throw the fag butt out of, flicked the butt back in (still alight) whilst politely telling the occupier they had dropped something. :twisted:
Who the hell do you think you are ?
Did you check if he had kids in car?
I would have dropped you on the spot :twisted: and yes if it matters I am 6'3" and not as fat
I do not condone this behaviour and use the ashtray but that is out of order.
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Ok chaps we have an IP and an offender,
LSP shall we nik them for Breach of the peace>
Then it's a ride back to the nik for a bare knuckle fight to resolve the matter. The custody officer holds the bets.
Seriously chaps lets not fall out over this hey... :wink:
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**stands quietly in the corner ready to catch all the toys and dummies....**
And also gets ready for round 2!! :D
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I recently tapped on the window of a car, that had undone its window to throw the fag butt out of, flicked the butt back in (still alight) whilst politely telling the occupier they had dropped something. :twisted:
Who the hell do you think you are ?
Did you check if he had kids in car?
Whoow there fella...who the hell are you to judge me?
FYI no there were not kids in the car...if there were I would have stubbed it out & passed it back....I have kids too :D
I would have dropped you on the spot :twisted:
Better make sure you do a good job :wink: :lol:
I am not here to upset anyone, certainly not fall out with other MC members. However I ain't gonna stand by and let fools deliberately litter the country side...There isn't many road sweepers on the middle of Dartmoor :roll: Do what you like in the cities...I never go there :twisted: :lol:
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It's disgusting ..... chucking any kind of litter about (incl out of a vehicle window). Fair play to the lad that pointed it out! Sadly, he'd have probably come off worse if the legal system had ever got involved in such an incident :roll:
As for all the smokers who are getting stressed ...... stay calm, sit down n light a fag .......... just as long as I can't smell the stinking residue from it :wink: :lol:
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[Whoow there fella...who the hell are you to judge me?]
You have put it on a FORUM :wink: I am judging your actions, I do not know you
I think there are ways of going about things, a chosen word or 3 would have the same result, but yes I would have got out and smacked anyone that did that.
In my opinion you were lucky, people carry knives, guns etc and this could have been serious :roll:
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Ok chaps we have an IP and an offender,
LSP shall we nik them for Breach of the peace>
Then it's a ride back to the nik for a bare knuckle fight to resolve the matter. The custody officer holds the bets.
Seriously chaps lets not fall out over this hey... :wink:
No, my suggestion would be a fixed penalty notice for the fag dropper, then a course of counselling for everybody who may or may not have been in a ten mile radius of the incident and were traumatized by it.
Then all officers involved can go and tell their supervisors what they had done, the supervisors could then tell the managers who would then write a report saying that they came up with the initiative, which would get them more brownie points.
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Ok chaps we have an IP and an offender,
LSP shall we nik them for Breach of the peace>
Then it's a ride back to the nik for a bare knuckle fight to resolve the matter. The custody officer holds the bets.
Seriously chaps lets not fall out over this hey... :wink:
No, my suggestion would be a fixed penalty notice for the fag dropper, then a course of counselling for everybody who may or may not have been in a ten mile radius of the incident and were traumatized by it.
Then all officers involved can go and tell their supervisors what they had done, the supervisors could then tell the managers who would then write a report saying that they came up with the initiative, which would get them more brownie points.
You'll be on a fast track to Inspector with suggestions like that :lol:
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Possible not the best way but having dealt with summer RTI's due to fag ash in the helmet/eye's from butt flicker's and occasionally car drivers with windows open suffering the same I have nothing but contempt for smokers who can't be bothered to dispose properly.
As for the Uni-link bus drivers driving one handed whilst speeding through Southampton with one out the window holding their fag...
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As for the Uni-link bus drivers driving one handed whilst speeding through Southampton with one out the window holding their fag...
Doesn't that count as smoking in the workplace now? :lol:
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Ok chaps we have an IP and an offender,
LSP shall we nik them for Breach of the peace>
Then it's a ride back to the nik for a bare knuckle fight to resolve the matter. The custody officer holds the bets.
Seriously chaps lets not fall out over this hey... :wink:
No, my suggestion would be a fixed penalty notice for the fag dropper, then a course of counselling for everybody who may or may not have been in a ten mile radius of the incident and were traumatized by it.
Then all officers involved can go and tell their supervisors what they had done, the supervisors could then tell the managers who would then write a report saying that they came up with the initiative, which would get them more brownie points.
You'll be on a fast track to Inspector with suggestions like that :lol:
There is more chance of finding a snowball in Hell, than of that happening!
I work on the 'crud falls down' system. I am at the bottom of the ladder and have been for some time. By the time it gets to where I am, I have seen it coming and stepped out of the way!
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As for the Uni-link bus drivers driving one handed whilst speeding through Southampton with one out the window holding their fag...
Doesn't that count as smoking in the workplace now? :lol:
Most definately! Quick, call the Ciggy Police!
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As for the Uni-link bus drivers driving one handed whilst speeding through Southampton with one out the window holding their fag...
Doesn't that count as smoking in the workplace now? :lol:
Most definately! Quick, call the Ciggy Police!
well hubby drives HGV's for a living and has in his truck 5 No smoking signs...all 11 trucks in the fleet have them - but it doesnt stop the smokers from smoking!
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i have no problem with smokers or smoking but the new law seems to have pushed all the smokers out onto the pavements now, we were in london yesterday and you almost needed oxygen masks to breathe as you walked down the street.
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but yes I would have got out and smacked anyone that did that.
How sad
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I trust that all the people the are willing to slate smokers for having such a disgusting and unevironmentally friendly habit would be as equally willing to face the monumental tax hike that would occur if we all stopped smoking tomorrow?? :shock:
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I trust that all the people the are willing to slate smokers for having such a disgusting and unevironmentally friendly habit would be as equally willing to face the monumental tax hike that would occur if we all stopped smoking tomorrow?? :shock:
I don't think anyone is slating smoker here...just the actions of one...could have been someone chucking a McPoo burger out the window for all I care...I would have done the same thing :D
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One of the local hauliers round here had a wiring harness that caught fire in their Volvo tractor unit, and when the insurance assessor came out to look at it, he was telling them what was the most common cause of fires that he came across.
Apparently, and he was saying that Scanias are the worst for it, when either the driver, or a someone in a vehicle infront, chucks a fag out the window, the air tends to carry the fag alongside the cab, then it whips around the back, right into the air intake. It then sits on the filter, with air constantly being drawn over it.
Now, in principle, I agree with L90. I can't say I personally would go as far as chucking the ciggie back in however. And as for the comment regarding smacking anyone who did that, you said it yourself, you use the ashtray, so you'd never find yourself in that position. But I have to say that's a stupid reaction, fighting fire with fire as it were. Someone takes objection to the fact that you've done something wrong, and so you hit 'em? Surely the best bet would be apologise for what you did, and politely point out that perhaps they went a bit over the top with their reaction. However we all know about the ol' red mist, and rational thought isn't always available on demand ;)
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i go to college, its a no smoking policy all over the site but their is one group who stand in the passageway and its awful i don't smoke am asthmatic and have just recently had to have a course of steroids for a chest infection I'm all for a freedom for every body but cig smoke really makes me choke as does going shopping into warm and back out into cold, but i do hate it when you get the butts stuck on your shoes and than take them into your house
by the way not slating anybody as i said freedom for every one but i don't have a choice about going shopping or being asthmatic
debbie
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You must have pointy shoes, to get someone's butt stuck on them!
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You must have pointy shoes, to get someone's butt stuck on them!
:(biglaugh):
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As for the Uni-link bus drivers driving one handed whilst speeding through Southampton with one out the window holding their fag...
im scared of those bus drivers, and im on foot every day :shock: :roll:
Then it's a ride back to the nik for a bare knuckle fight to resolve the matter
damn right, bagzie spectating... my money is on jamie the PASSAT man from the country (i like your style) YEAH!
just to add water to the fire (like steam in a sauna it makes things a little hotter :twisted: )
ive seen my dad to that to someone waiting in traffic behind a smoker.
Rob
p.s. what you people forget is that after fresh waxoyl on yer motor it could start a fire :evil:
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You must have pointy shoes, to get someone's butt stuck on them!
PMSL :lol:
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Can't believe someone would get to fisty cuffs over a cig butt, will be falling out of a teddy bears name next. :lol:
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As for the Uni-link bus drivers driving one handed whilst speeding through Southampton with one out the window holding their fag...
im scared of those bus drivers, and im on foot every day :shock: :roll:
Rob
You should be, 30 limit, forget that it's a sheduled service so no tacho's and foot down to try and catch-up/make time for a tea break...I've seen 40 plus in a 30 as a passenger ONCE, never again!
Mind Luckett's have actually admitted to me in writing one of their coaches was doing 36 in a 30 (Highlands road, Fareham), according to the 12 points recorded over ~2 miles by the sat-trac, they wouldn't tell me what the more accurate and constant monitoring Tacho recorded, needs a copper to demand that!
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since the smoking ban our local is dead talk of the brewery closing it :(
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since the smoking ban our local is dead talk of the brewery closing it :(
Our local went the other way. In fact they went no smoking about 18 months before the ban came in and trade went right up. It's difficult to get a seat now!
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Ok...I am not an anti smoker, smoking etc...however I am anti smoking if...i'll just flick/stub the end out HERE... :evil:
I recently tapped on the window of a car, that had undone its window to throw the fag butt out of, flicked the butt back in (still alight) whilst politely telling the occupier they had dropped something. :twisted:
They proceeded to get out the car shouting & moaning...until they eyed me up...(I'm 6ft & 18stone :D ) then just looked embarrassed, apologiesed & !Expletive Deleted! off :lol:
My gripe is how many other people do this & don't get challenged?
I know it is allot as I have seen the amount of fag butts on the floor! :evil:
Hmmmm wonder about a few of the things here!
Firstly what would you have done if the guy in the car had been 6.3 and a 20st body builder? Would you have been so quick to chuck the fag end back in?
Secondly and in perspective if the car had caught fire because of your actions. Would you have worried so much about the pollution and litter then or would you have just gone on your way.
Finally how would you have felt if the car had caught fire and perhaps someone had been killed, or maimed in the ensuing fire bomb/explosion?
Just something to think about.
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sorry but in my eyes this is bullying :( :( :( if you have a problem with someones action then atleast talk to them first with thinking...." hmm im bigger than he/she is....i am safe to have a go....as i said. thats bullying :evil: :evil: :evil:
sorry its the way i feel so need to say how i feel :?
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I agree with Alan and Denviks. In all honesty, had you done that to me, you would be flat on your face. And I am about 4 stones lighter than you. However, I have never had any kind of simpathy for bullies, and as my instructor used to say: "Size does not matter, it is how you hit them that does".
Using your volume to put your point across equals, in my eyes, to schoolyard bullying, and if I may say so, the need to do it tends to be a sign of inferiority complex.
IMHO, your actions are not better than those of the Anti4x4 brigade, plastering windscreens with stickers. Actualy, come to think of it, both actions could be considered as the same thing, criminal damage.
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agreed size doesnt matter...im about 5 7 and weigh about 8 stone but if you had done that to me i would of got out and smacked ya one!
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Im with you L90ook
Ive ridden bikes for a lot of years and that bouncing orange fag end is not a thing Id like to land on a bike of mine, or on me.
Face it guys, the road isnt an ashtray.
Oh yeah, just cos you are a big lad doesnt mean you are handy.....Ive seen a few big lads get hurt cos they thought being big was a bonus.....
If you sling tab ends on the road, and someone is brave/daft enough to hand em back, then Id say good on him!
Nowt against smokers mind you. They pay plenty of tax, and despite my wife being pleased that I dont come back from a pub/club smelling of other peoples smoke, I do think the lack of a smoky haze has kinda taken something away from pubs.
Sure, a family pub without smoke is great, but a dingy rock club smelling of old beer and B.O. is just not so good.
Rolla :wink:
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Im with you L90ook
Ive ridden bikes for a lot of years and that bouncing orange fag end is not a thing Id like to land on a bike of mine, or on me.
Face it guys, the road isnt an ashtray.
Oh yeah, just cos you are a big lad doesnt mean you are handy.....Ive seen a few big lads get hurt cos they thought being big was a bonus.....
If you sling tab ends on the road, and someone is brave/daft enough to hand em back, then Id say good on him!
Nowt against smokers mind you. They pay plenty of tax, and despite my wife being pleased that I dont come back from a pub/club smelling of other peoples smoke, I do think the lack of a smoky haze has kinda taken something away from pubs.
Sure, a family pub without smoke is great, but a dingy rock club smelling of old beer and B.O. is just not so good.
Rolla :wink:
I dont disagree with the sentiment of telling people not to litter, and also the danger to Bikers and other road users, my argument was that by doing as he did L90ook was acting just as bad as the guy who threw the butt out. the old saying two wrongs dont make a right is very true.
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sorry chaps but my opinion is that whether you smokeor not and throw your butt on the floor or eat your take away in your car and just open the door and deposit bag and all associated rubbish on car park ,or walk down street and throw sweet wrapers fag packet wrappers chewingum whateveron the floor you should no better and most importantly educate your children too as they only follow by example.
sorry for rant but this is somthing i feel is very important and i aint a greenie worried about enviromental issues but more about pride in our surroundings etc
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On a more sobering note regarding discarded fag ends from moving vehicles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Blanc_Tunnel
24 March 1999 in France/Italy
A Belgian lorry loaded with flour and margarine caught fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel. A lighted cigarette end caused this fire. The fire quickly spread and was not extinguished until 24 hours later. 39 people died.
Stubbing it out on his bonnet might have had the desired effect though :D
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Actually, from the same source:
The cause of the fire is disputed. Different accounts report it to be a cigarette stub carelessly thrown at the truck, and it supposedly entered the engine induction snorkel above the cab, setting the paper air filter on fire, a mechanical or electrical fault, or poor maintenance of the truck's engine.
I do not dispute the anti littering, I dispute the bullying. Had he turned around and told the chap to please collect it, I would applaud it. The act of throwing a lit cigarette into a car, shielding behind his size, is plain and utter bullery.
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On a more sobering note regarding discarded fag ends from moving vehicles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Blanc_Tunnel
24 March 1999 in France/Italy
A Belgian lorry loaded with flour and margarine caught fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel. A lighted cigarette end caused this fire. The fire quickly spread and was not extinguished until 24 hours later. 39 people died.
Stubbing it out on his bonnet might have had the desired effect though :D
Like an awfull lot of wiki entries this one needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Nobody knows what caused the fire. Volvo the makers of the truck that caused the fire were put on trial for design faults resulting in the fire. They were not convicted however. If the authorities had been as convinced by the cause as the auther of the wiki then it would never have got to court. Oh and witness state that the smoke was coming from inside the cab not from the engine.
Cig butts and air filters seem to be pretty much and urban myth tbh. Nissan did a recall on the almera because they said that this could happen. As no other manufacturer has done a recall I would hazard a guess that it isnt a problem.
Oh and if you stub a cig out on my bonnet you will need a trip to the dentist.
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On a more sobering note regarding discarded fag ends from moving vehicles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Blanc_Tunnel
24 March 1999 in France/Italy
A Belgian lorry loaded with flour and margarine caught fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel. A lighted cigarette end caused this fire. The fire quickly spread and was not extinguished until 24 hours later. 39 people died.
Stubbing it out on his bonnet might have had the desired effect though :D
Like an awfull lot of wiki entries this one needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Nobody knows what caused the fire. Volvo the makers of the truck that caused the fire were put on trial for design faults resulting in the fire. They were not convicted however. If the authorities had been as convinced by the cause as the auther of the wiki then it would never have got to court. Oh and witness state that the smoke was coming from inside the cab not from the engine.
Cig butts and air filters seem to be pretty much and urban myth tbh. Nissan did a recall on the almera because they said that this could happen. As no other manufacturer has done a recall I would hazard a guess that it isnt a problem.
Oh and if you stub a cig out on my bonnet you will need a trip to the dentist.
Friend of mine lost his artic because of a fag end in the air intake... not a myth at all..... problem was he was smoking it .... he flicked it out of the window and the air intake sucked it in.
if he had not seen the smoke from the air intake it could of been a lot worse but the truck was written off
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Jeez, what did it do, set alight to the air filter. thats damned unlucky.
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i find this amazing, this is a offroad 4x4 lets get dirty forum theres post on mud dirt and all types of 4x4s but the longest topic is this 1!!
weather its right or wrong bullying or standing up for your rights i cant understand why this post has incured so much interest in a 4x4 forum lets all have a group hug make friends and ask for a politics forum forf this sort of stuff,
i feel my viewes as a smoker would be swept away just as my views as a father has been when my ex decided to stop me seeing my son 4 court orders all broken but hey im just the dad im not a woman so its tuff, so as a dirty inconsiderate smoker ill bow to the good guys who dont smoke and every time i pay all that tax on my habbit ill think of the money im saving the other tax payers while slowly killing myself but hey ill die happy
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While your intentions were good, your actions weren't. You need to be carefull with the way you handle people, especially when showing them the error of their actions.
Humans can be very aggressive and dangerous if they feel trapped and indangered.
That and you had no idea if the occupent of the car had anything within reach which could have caused you a lot of damage.
Size doesn't help in a fight, skill and training will, but it comes down to luck mostly.
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Hey ronttuk I was kinda sticking up for you , you smelly inconsiderate smoker you!!
I dont smoke, think its a barmy habit, but Ill be honest, when the smoking ban arrived I thought it was a terrible idea. No doubt the start of many civil liberties being removed(hey, thats politics, non of that here!!)
I think the atmosphere in clubs etc is....well.....different. For the worse in my opinion. But hey, thats only my opinion.
Rolla
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Hey ronttuk I was kinda sticking up for you , you smelly inconsiderate smoker you!!
I dont smoke, think its a barmy habit, but Ill be honest, when the smoking ban arrived I thought it was a terrible idea. No doubt the start of many civil liberties being removed(hey, thats politics, non of that here!!)
I think the atmosphere in clubs etc is....well.....different. For the worse in my opinion. But hey, thats only my opinion.
Rolla
im to old to go to clubs lmao
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On a more sobering note regarding discarded fag ends from moving vehicles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Blanc_Tunnel
24 March 1999 in France/Italy
A Belgian lorry loaded with flour and margarine caught fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel. A lighted cigarette end caused this fire. The fire quickly spread and was not extinguished until 24 hours later. 39 people died.
Stubbing it out on his bonnet might have had the desired effect though :D
Like an awfull lot of wiki entries this one needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Nobody knows what caused the fire. Volvo the makers of the truck that caused the fire were put on trial for design faults resulting in the fire. They were not convicted however. If the authorities had been as convinced by the cause as the auther of the wiki then it would never have got to court. Oh and witness state that the smoke was coming from inside the cab not from the engine.
Cig butts and air filters seem to be pretty much and urban myth tbh. Nissan did a recall on the almera because they said that this could happen. As no other manufacturer has done a recall I would hazard a guess that it isnt a problem.
Oh and if you stub a cig out on my bonnet you will need a trip to the dentist.
Friend of mine lost his artic because of a fag end in the air intake... not a myth at all..... problem was he was smoking it .... he flicked it out of the window and the air intake sucked it in.
if he had not seen the smoke from the air intake it could of been a lot worse but the truck was written off
Indeed, Scanias are the worst for this......This is according to insurance Co`s.....Anyone in the ins. industry can check it out... 8)
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Re the setting light to things with a ciggy butt - I'm sure Myth Busters tried to set fire to petrol and diesel on a floor without success and busted it as a myth.
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Friend of mine lost his artic because of a fag end in the air intake... not a myth at all..... problem was he was smoking it .... he flicked it out of the window and the air intake sucked it in.
if he had not seen the smoke from the air intake it could of been a lot worse but the truck was written off
TBH I have been unable to find any varified stories on the net. Just "I know a m8 who ....." type stories. Just dosn't seem to make the papers for some reason.
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but yes I would have got out and smacked anyone that did that.
How sad
Well it now looks like I not the only one :wink:
Maybe, well YES I would also be out of order but 'OI... you dirty pig, take your rubbish with you' would have been the first option.
I also ride Motorbikes and although it has never happened, would not appreciate it being thrown whilst following a car but the car was either stationary or L90ook is very light on his feet :wink: :wink:
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Re the setting light to things with a ciggy butt - I'm sure Myth Busters tried to set fire to petrol and diesel on a floor without success and busted it as a myth.
Maybe so but did they try burning holes in upholstery??? or burning hunan flesh??
The air passing at that rate will make the ciggie burn hotter and if trapped by a paper filter will catch fire and set fire to the plastic snorkle
A naked flame will set fire to vapours, Under compression it only takes a spark plug but will not light in liquid form
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Perhaps not the ideal way of dealing with it, but I have a lot of respect for the fact you did pass his butt back. I have done similar with litter in a carpark before and it was quite an intimidating experience.
Slightly aside, when working at a petrol station, people smoking on the forecourt used to suffer at my hands...... Turn off all the pumps then ask them over the tannoy to put it out......Usually something like 'PUMP 7, extinguish your cigarette, yes you. Now. We are all waiting for you before I can restart the pumps'.
Used to really (deservedly) embarrass them.
Chris
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Friend of mine lost his artic because of a fag end in the air intake... not a myth at all..... problem was he was smoking it .... he flicked it out of the window and the air intake sucked it in.
if he had not seen the smoke from the air intake it could of been a lot worse but the truck was written off
TBH I have been unable to find any varified stories on the net. Just "I know a m8 who ....." type stories. Just dosn't seem to make the papers for some reason.
HMMMMM if the www does not have cases it must be false? is that what you are saying??
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Google is your friend
http://www.cigarettelitter.org/index.asp?PageName=Fires
www.esa.act.gov.au/.../bushfires_in_the_bush_capital/january_2003_fires/daily_summary_18_october_2005.doc
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Friend of mine lost his artic because of a fag end in the air intake... not a myth at all..... problem was he was smoking it .... he flicked it out of the window and the air intake sucked it in.
if he had not seen the smoke from the air intake it could of been a lot worse but the truck was written off
TBH I have been unable to find any varified stories on the net. Just "I know a m8 who ....." type stories. Just dosn't seem to make the papers for some reason.
HMMMMM if the www does not have cases it must be false? is that what you are saying??
No. I am saying I cant read every newspaper in the world but I can search the internet and most newspaper have an online version.
Regarding the first link. Mont Blanc tunnel has already been covered and the other quote is about an apartment fire. (I would also not take a 'story' from a plainly biased site as true)
The second link is an australian site that wont open for me but from the link text appears to be about bushfires.
As I say as there are no (or at least so few stories they can't be found easly) varified stories it is more than likely it is an urban myth, or at most an extremly rare occurance, for cig ends to set fire to airfilters.
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A ciggy butt into a snorkel type affair (like lorries have) with a paper filter, air being drawn at a great rate over the glowing ember ... I can see that would work.
Flames into air intake and er .... ouch? Or worse .. ash into engine .. yuck.
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I bet the guy who started this thread wished he'd kept his key board shut, like anything on the web you don't know who your conversing with.
It may be a case that its something he would like to do and just showing a bit of bravado, if it was for real it was a foolish act.
We all get wound up and have pet hates chill its not the end of the world.
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Time to STUB this thread out? :lol:
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I reckon a simple solution is to just shoot all smokers :? End of filthy habit and end of problem :wink: :roll:
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Silvery Thing
I reckon a simple solution is to just shoot all smokers :? End of filthy habit and end of problem :wink: :roll:
There is a distinct danger of me repeating myself, but here goes....firstly, Why??....Why do smokers perpetually find themselves at the sticky end of all the worlds ills...because believe me, if it can be blamed on smoking it will......for example...
The NHS are refusing to treat smokers as just about everything now is deemed a smoking related illness/disease....however, nothing is ever said about the thousands of drug addicts or drink drivers that burden the NHS year in, year out.....all this in spite of the fact that it's in part the revenue from smoking that perpetuates the NHS funding!!
I can now be fined for lighting up in my own vehicle, if the police see fit to do so, as it is percieved to be a distraction and increases the possibility of an accident as I may remove my hands from the wheel....if that's the case, perhaps we should also ban car stereos (..unless they have invented telepathic ones now?!), transporting children (...as squabbling kids in the back are probably the biggest distraction of all) or GPS systems?! all of which can fall in the same category...but no, easier to persecute smokers....again. :(
...but then of course little is ever said of the benefits of the humble cigarette....the millions of pounds of sponsorship that has been poured into sports events over the years....Malboro and JPS in motor racing...Embassy Snooker Chmpionship....and your very own Camel Trophy...OMG, would you believe it...it's a tobacco company! :shock:
.....and research has just started into why smokers recover quicker following operations....far more so than non-smokers. :shock:
So, for once, give us a break.....it has been said more than once in this thread that no-one is having a go at smokers (...although the last post kinda nullifies this)...but alas the whole persecution thing is wearing a bit thin now....
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cigs going into air intakes is plausible
the volvo fh has the intake on the n/s and its really high up - you gota go some to get a fag in there , even on a left hooker.
Scania R cab as far as i remember doesnt even have the intake up the cab rear
cant remember how the DAFs look
even if a fag did go in the paper filter wouldnt burn for long surely
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Silvery Thing
I reckon a simple solution is to just shoot all smokers :? End of filthy habit and end of problem :wink: :roll:
There is a distinct danger of me repeating myself, but here goes....firstly, Why??....Why do smokers perpetually find themselves at the sticky end of all the worlds ills...because believe me, if it can be blamed on smoking it will......for example...
The NHS are refusing to treat smokers as just about everything now is deemed a smoking related illness/disease....however, nothing is ever said about the thousands of drug addicts or drink drivers that burden the NHS year in, year out.....all this in spite of the fact that it's in part the revenue from smoking that perpetuates the NHS funding!!
I can now be fined for lighting up in my own vehicle, if the police see fit to do so, as it is percieved to be a distraction and increases the possibility of an accident as I may remove my hands from the wheel....if that's the case, perhaps we should also ban car stereos (..unless they have invented telepathic ones now?!), transporting children (...as squabbling kids in the back are probably the biggest distraction of all) or GPS systems?! all of which can fall in the same category...but no, easier to persecute smokers....again. :(
...but then of course little is ever said of the benefits of the humble cigarette....the millions of pounds of sponsorship that has been poured into sports events over the years....Malboro and JPS in motor racing...Embassy Snooker Chmpionship....and your very own Camel Trophy...OMG, would you believe it...it's a tobacco company! :shock:
.....and research has just started into why smokers recover quicker following operations....far more so than non-smokers. :shock:
So, for once, give us a break.....it has been said more than once in this thread that no-one is having a go at smokers (...although the last post kinda nullifies this)...but alas the whole persecution thing is wearing a bit thin now....
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Tolerance of others or rather the lack of it is one of the biggest problems in the World today.
I am not proud of the fact that I smoke, but its my choice. I also like to drink beer, eat food that is supposedly bad for me and I drive a 4x4. 75% of my likes, I probably share in common with most of the forum users, but does that make me a lesser person?
Since the ban came in, I now have to smoke outside any pub that I choose to go to. As a result of that, I have met a Native Canadian Indian who told me about the history of his race, an 85 year old woman who told me of her childhood in India, a BBC journalist and numerous other very interesting people. Not that that makes smoking any better.
As I mentioned in an earlier reply on this thread, I have had to deal with numerous reports of flytipping, but nobody sees a thing. The same goes for burglaries and muggings, but again nobody sees what went on.
But, Oh My God! Someone drops a fag end and all Hell breaks loose! We have people saying they are prepared to thump someone!
No, I don't agree with littering, but lets give it a rest now.
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lets ban spitting ! :shock:
Now lets see where this goes......... filthy disgusting habit and apaprently so acceptable!
Note to self to hide behind Lord Shag Pile when he comes back to Norfolk.
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In some odd way, this post can almost be brought full circle........
If any of us sat for long enough and thought about what really ticks us off...smoking, spitting, loud music, errant pets etc....and my own personal hate, fly tipping, then it wouldn't be too much of a leap in the thought process to realise none of it is cured by banning it.
As LSP so elooquently put, it is more of a tolerance issue, but further to this, it is also a matter of respect. If generations of people hadn't been raised to believe that they had a god given right to do things their way, regardless of the detriment to their fellow man or their environment, then perhaps the world as a whole would be a nicer place to be.
As a small child I remember my mother making me walk what seemed a very long way at the time, to retrieve an empty crisp packet that I had dropped in the street a short while earlier...my lesson was learnt and I have never dropped litter since... :oops:
...and whilst staying on the family maxims, my father imparted this gem of wisdom that has always stuck with me..
..."it doesn't matter what you wear, what you say or what you do, just never intentionally give offence".....which in a nutshell I think means spare a thought for everyone else before you do something....
So, the moral of all this is.....well...I'm sure it has something to do with stable doors and bolting horses... :shock: :wink:
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lets ban spitting ! :shock:
Now lets see where this goes......... filthy disgusting habit and apaprently so acceptable!
Note to self to hide behind Lord Shag Pile when he comes back to Norfolk.
Not in my book! I find it offensive and a risk to health. I would deem it an offence under Section 5 of the Public Order Act, and yes, I have lifted someone for it!
If we want a better society, you have to start somewhere!
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I never ceases to amaze me how people get so wound up about nothing, then it results into a fight and everyone is carted off in the van to have brunch at nik.
Is it worth it I wonder on a daily basis.
The lad that is tossed out the night club because his girlfriend has taken a shine to some other bloke, justs wants to kick off and fight everyone... why??
Yep I see things that bug me, but its dosn't make me want to take on the world and go around smacking people.
Lets all just chill and relax for a bit. :wink:
Now do I sound like Neil from the young ones or what! LOL :lol:
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like, its getting heavy Boggert..... Broomshanka everybody :wink:
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lets ban spitting ! :shock:
Now lets see where this goes......... filthy disgusting habit and apaprently so acceptable! ....
No it is not acceptable so I say "Lets shoot all the *#&@+%?£ that spit in the street as well. Oh and whilst we are at it and the street cleaning health squads are active lets shoot all crapping dogs and their owners too :wink: :D
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a good world war.. thats what we need.. then folks will realise the vale of life, and the importance of one another... if you smoke, do so.. but be considerate of others... everyone has a choice, so if you do, respect others that dont.. apply common sense and if someone else gets irratic with you when you have done everything you can to not cause the problem, hit them with anything you have nearby.. brick is best, but a lump of wood works well...
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How about we talk about 4x4 and mud and beer and all the good things instead of having a pop at each other all the time over stupid topics :roll:
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How about we talk about 4x4 and mud and beer and all the good things instead of having a pop at each other all the time over stupid topics :roll:
now where's the fun in that mr puxley :shock: :twisted: :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:
everyone pick on pux now.....he said it
walking away slowly :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh):
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who asked you big nose.
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who you calling big nose :shock: :shock: :shock:
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you big nose
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look you call me big nose one more time and i'll.......i'll
so hmm is this a move line :lol: :lol: :lol:
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look you call me big nose one more time and i'll.......i'll
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Take no notice Den, PUX is a gay boy !! :twisted: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :lol:
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look you call me big nose one more time and i'll.......i'll
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Take no notice Den, PUX is a gay boy !! :twisted: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :lol:
Steve now come on and admit you fancy me :wink:
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Steve now come on and admit you fancy me :wink:
Sssshhh! ...... just don't tell everyone in open forum :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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In my crusade against filthy smokers I have managed to enlist the assistance of a couple of formidable allies. Beware all you tobacco carrying polluters :evil:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/p15pathfinder/Guncat1.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/p15pathfinder/Guncat2.jpg)
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Pussys!
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There was an article in the local paper earlier in the year about someone being procecuted for throwing a cigarette end out of the car window.
They were stuck in traffic at the time hence it was possible for their number to be noted.
I cann't find the article now (I assume too old) but found this -
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=158338&command=displayContent&sourceNode=158321&contentPK=18739352&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch
Paul Humphries