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Title: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: thermidorthelobster on January 05, 2008, 10:13:56
http://www.youtube.com/v/_NsuOitrmIg&rel=1
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Boggert on January 05, 2008, 11:27:32
Crikey, looks like the smoke produced when we start my fatherin laws old combine.
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on January 05, 2008, 11:33:02
Blimey! Keep winding her over, and she'll go!
That reminds me of when I worked as a reedcutter in Norfolk and we used a cutter powered by a single cylinder diesel, that was started by a pull cord. I mearly busted my wrist trying to start the wretched thing after it had been left on the marsh overnight in mid winter! :shock:
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: beast5680 on January 05, 2008, 14:21:05
some of the other videos make interesting watching like the one backfiring :shock:
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: landroverkeith on January 05, 2008, 15:31:08
looks like the old volvo f10 shunter we had firing up in the morning lol


 [-o< and now my dads seen this link ill be here for ever looking at locos starting  :undecided:
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: TDi90 on January 05, 2008, 16:03:06
blimey that starter motor wont last long  :shock:
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Range Rover Blues on January 05, 2008, 18:05:01
I remeber my dad telling me that the tank engines they used to play with were started using a donkey engine and they started firing one cylinder at a time.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if loco engines are the same, it's quite common for them to be left idling all night rather than switch them off and have to re-start them again.
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: vtrdaz on January 05, 2008, 18:54:11
I remeber my dad telling me that the tank engines they used to play with were started using a donkey engine and they started firing one cylinder at a time.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if loco engines are the same, it's quite common for them to be left idling all night rather than switch them off and have to re-start them again.

Most have starter motors these days, sometimes two depending on the engine.
The older loco's that have DC generators for traction use start windings inside the generator to start the engine - so no worries of burning out the starter motors as there isn't one as such - just the generator ( on all loco's you can't in theory burn out the starters as the motors time out or have overheat protection to knock them out if they get too hot)

The loco in that video is an old DC generator type - no starter motors just the traction generator used as a starter - that's why they can keep motoring it over until it fires.

Bit of info for ya!

Darren

(p.s i'm not a train spotter! - just worked on these things for the last 20 years!)
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Disco Matt on January 05, 2008, 19:39:20
Another example of the same class!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4cno0qUdKA

Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Silvery Thing on January 05, 2008, 20:26:14
Some of the old fire appliances I worked on many years ago would try to defy being started in the same way. When a bloody Perkins V8 got a strop on they could be real cows to get going [-o< Crikey we could smoke out the fire station :roll: Yes, they could act up in such a way when we were called out on a shout :doh: We would often threaten them with a branch much in the same way Basil Fawlty did ;) For the younger guys you won't know what this means :lol:
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Tommo on January 05, 2008, 22:46:22
you would need a fire extinguisher full of easy start let alone a can to start one of them bad boys!
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: hobbit on January 06, 2008, 06:01:42
Dont forget some of the older diesels (Gardiners for example), static and truck etc, used to have compression release levers for each cylinder  so you can spin the engine up to high speed and kick in one or two cylinders at a time, they were good fun hanging in the engine bay flipping the levers

But with that clip its just a case of a lot of battery power and bloody big beefy starter, thats why donkey engines are installed on some big engined units, some fairground generators unit are like thay not, absolutely bomb proof
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: vtrdaz on January 06, 2008, 12:47:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B44Sl4RtrQc

This loco has the same engine fitted as the one in the first post
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Disco Matt on January 06, 2008, 15:29:25
Bet that scared a few people on the platform when it started flamethrowing!
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Boggert on January 06, 2008, 16:32:52
LOL love the backfires!
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: Disco Matt on January 06, 2008, 16:56:48
If you want backfires:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ6niM4KvrU&feature=related

HST power car exhausts have been known to catch fire due to carbon deposits. This has on occasion required evacuation and the attention of the local fire brigade!
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: vtrdaz on January 06, 2008, 19:44:20


More often than not it's oil or unburn't diesel that passed through the exhaust from faulty turbo's and suchlike that causes the exhaust fires ( as well as carbon deposits sometimes).
Had one last year that blew it's turbo , then promptly set the exhaust on fire :lol:
Title: Re: Trouble starting your diesel?
Post by: landroverkeith on January 07, 2008, 16:54:42
 [-o< plz lol stop my old dad will be sat at home wasting away reading and watching all this. he is 100% train spotter and proud lol
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