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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Boggert on February 19, 2008, 13:00:33
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080219/tuk-porsche-challenges-congestion-charge-45dbed5_1.html
Nice to see someone standing up to Red Ken!
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I hope its genuine and not just a publicity stunt, ;) if it is genuine then more power to their elbow, Go for it indeed. :)
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I just saw this on the news its about time someone took him on. Hopefully some other manufacturers will also take the initiative.
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Is he democratically elected....if so why by?????
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Red Ken was elected by officials i think, not by the general public iirc.
Lets face it, no-one in their right mind would vote that moron in again.
Also it seems a genuine thing by porsche. Listened to the statement on the radio earlier and he is saying all the right things about creating hybrids and making the motorist pay because of a lifestyle choice.
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Ken Livingstone, on the other hand, is the Mayor of London covering the City of London and the 32 boroughs. He was elected on 4 May 2000. Along with the London Assembly of 25 members he is accountable for the strategic government of Greater London. This entails responsibility for transport – through Transport for London; economic development through the London Development Agency; police, civil defence and fire services; planning; the environment; as well as the championing and coordination of London-wide events such as major sporting competitions – and the recent successful bid for the Olympics in 2005. The Mayor has no revenue raising powers other than possible congestion charges for road traffic and work-place parking charges. The Mayors and Councils of the 32 London Boroughs stay and these authorities continue to be involved in and responsible for the delivery of local services. These include education, social services, non strategic planning, consumer protection and services such as parks and gardens.
This was taken from the City of Londong web site. He is just Mayor of London, not Lord Mayor of the city of London :-. Despite the similarity in titles, the two posts of Lord Mayor of the City of London and the Mayor of London do not conflict. They work together and complement each other. In summary, the City corporation plays the specialised, flagship role of promoting London's financial and business services, with the City's Policy and Resources Committee Chairman working with government and Brussels on policy issues, and the Lord Mayor a worldwide ambassador for the UK-based financial-services industry. The Mayor of London's job is to get in place the transport infrastructure and planning frameworks, make sure the capital as a whole benefits from this growth, and promote London as the world's most international city.
and sod the rest of the country!
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Ken Livingstone, on the other hand, is the Mayor of London covering the City of London and the 32 boroughs. He was elected on 4 May 2000. Along with the London Assembly of 25 members he is accountable for the strategic government of Greater London. This entails responsibility for transport – through Transport for London; economic development through the London Development Agency; police, civil defence and fire services; planning; the environment; as well as the championing and coordination of London-wide events such as major sporting competitions – and the recent successful bid for the Olympics in 2005. The Mayor has no revenue raising powers other than possible congestion charges for road traffic and work-place parking charges. The Mayors and Councils of the 32 London Boroughs stay and these authorities continue to be involved in and responsible for the delivery of local services. These include education, social services, non strategic planning, consumer protection and services such as parks and gardens.
This was taken from the City of Londong web site. He is just Mayor of London, not Lord Mayor of the city of London :-. Despite the similarity in titles, the two posts of Lord Mayor of the City of London and the Mayor of London do not conflict. They work together and complement each other. In summary, the City corporation plays the specialised, flagship role of promoting London's financial and business services, with the City's Policy and Resources Committee Chairman working with government and Brussels on policy issues, and the Lord Mayor a worldwide ambassador for the UK-based financial-services industry. The Mayor of London's job is to get in place the transport infrastructure and planning frameworks, make sure the capital as a whole benefits from this growth, and promote London as the world's most international city.
and sod the rest of the country!
Of course - life outside the M25 is an unconfirmed rumour as far as most media and Government bodies are concerned :lol:
What really gets to me is the way they don't seem to be able to link water shortages and traffic problems in the South East with the number of people living there. There is no longer a need to be physically near London in order to do business and this London-centric approach is giving us a highly unbalanced economy in my opinion.
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All I can say is.......
I'm glad I don't live there and I'll be (I'll take this one out myself!! [-X) if I will ever go there!
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Quote Of course - life outside the M25 is an unconfirmed rumour as far as most media and Government bodies are concerned :lol:
What really gets to me is the way they don't seem to be able to link water shortages and traffic problems in the South East with the number of people living there. There is no longer a need to be physically near London in order to do business and this London-centric approach is giving us a highly unbalanced economy in my opinion Quote
Yes that IS the real problem, the number of people on this island. The real answer to the congestion in London is to tax the businesses out of it, there is no need for them to be in London get them out and share the wealth around the country.
I have been to London on business think its a vile place and can't wait to get away, I don't go out of my way to sell or supply to the London area.
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Quote Of course - life outside the M25 is an unconfirmed rumour as far as most media and Government bodies are concerned :lol:
What really gets to me is the way they don't seem to be able to link water shortages and traffic problems in the South East with the number of people living there. There is no longer a need to be physically near London in order to do business and this London-centric approach is giving us a highly unbalanced economy in my opinion Quote
Yes that IS the real problem, the number of people on this island. The real answer to the congestion in London is to tax the businesses out of it, there is no need for them to be in London get them out and share the wealth around the country.
I have been to London on business think its a vile place and can't wait to get away, I don't go out of my way to sell or supply to the London area.
A better solution to the congestion problems in london...
Refactor the congestion charge so it is £5 x the number of times you have been into the congestion zone in the last seven days, regardless of the vehicle. People commuting into london would pay an increased rate, people who live there and use public transport but have the car for the occasional weekend use wouldn't be penalised. It might not reduce the number of cars in the capital, but it should hopefully prove an incentive for people to find other ways of getting in, or choose to live closer to work.
Second plan, provide tax incentives to companies who set up offices outside of the capital. Now, I'm not suggesting that you tax those that are there, but you can provide benefits to companies who move staff outside of london to areas with less issues. Provide good working infrastructure to areas outside the capital and improve the transport links everywhere (also improve the internet connectivity to all places large and small)
I swear I had a better idea, but I can't remember it now :)
Basically find a carrot rather than hitting people with sticks.
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We do have broad band Oop north :lol:
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Yes I know you do, but getting a decent SLA for "reasonable" money in the UK is nigh on impossible, and SDSL is rare outside of the capital too. I wasn't so much suggesting there wasn't infrastructure around, but there is definitely room for improvement :)
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The real answer to the congestion in London is to tax the businesses out of it, there is no need for them to be in London get them out and share the wealth around the country.
Damn right, reduce demend for travel is the only way to reduce travel.
After all, the trains are full to the point where they are dangerous, they can't recruit enough bus drivers even if there was any more road to put them on, the tube is way over capacity (sorry, but I like being able to take my bag to work ;)) no-one in their right mind would walk and cycling is only for the serioulsy suicidal.
The only answer is to reduce the demand for travel.
Besides, if I were a buyer, would I buy from a loondun company or their cheaper competitior in Milton Keynes? who's goods would be delivered faster and cheaper?
Leave loondun to the tourist I say.
P.S., why is loondun the capital anyway, it's not in the middle of the country (though it thinks it's the centre of the universe)?
Anyone?
Because it was the easiest place for the Romans to invade ;)
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Is that why the Roman capital of Britain was Colchester?
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In Holland they run double decker trains not sure if they are lower slung over the bogies, our bridges may be too low to run them which sounds about right.
Any train spotters who can throw some light on it?
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Double deckers are common in mainland Europe, as Graham guessed they do have a larger loading gauge and the floor of the lower deck is only just above rail level. Doors are usually above the bogies with a few steps to the upper and lower levels. See photo here of German example:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/car/double_deck/misc/040401030.jpg
Double deck trains were tried in the UK with a pair of four car EMUs, the snag was that they were rather cramped and passengers in the upper compartments complained of feeling trapped. Rather than being a true double decker the upper and lower deck compartments were sort of intermeshed. This group is trying to restore one of the two surviving power cars:
http://members.tripod.com/~dart75/bdds.htm
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All I can say is.......
I'm glad I don't live there and I'll be (I'll take this one out myself!! [-X) if I will ever go there!
I will join you in that sentiment ;)
Red Ken is welcome to the place, and may he go down with it :lol:
Keith
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Double deckers are common in mainland Europe, as Graham guessed they do have a larger loading gauge and the floor of the lower deck is only just above rail level. Doors are usually above the bogies with a few steps to the upper and lower levels. See photo here of German example:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/car/double_deck/misc/040401030.jpg
Double deck trains were tried in the UK with a pair of four car EMUs, the snag was that they were rather cramped and passengers in the upper compartments complained of feeling trapped. Rather than being a true double decker the upper and lower deck compartments were sort of intermeshed. This group is trying to restore one of the two surviving power cars:
http://members.tripod.com/~dart75/bdds.htm
Yes those are like the ones in Holland they were very comfy and i was struck by how clean they were, and no graffiti.
Just shows the lack of investment by successive governments in this country.
I still say too many people in the country the doors should be closed, only proven key workers given entry.
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I'm afraid the disease is spreading. just spotted this in one of our local papers:
MP calls for low emission zone in Southport and FormbyFeb 20 2008
by Andrew Brown, Midweek Visiter
AGEING lorries, vans and motorhomes should pay up to £200 to drive into Southport and Formby to stop people choking to death, an MP has proposed.
Claire Curtis-Thomas, who represents Formby, called for a controversial “low emission zone†– pioneered in London this month – to be adopted in Sefton and elsewhere.
Under the scheme, operators of lorries and vans more than six-years-old must pay £200 a day to enter the capital or face a fine of £1,000.
The zone applies to lorries over 12 tonnes, but will quickly be extended to all diesel-engined vehicles over 3.5 tonnes, including motorhomes and larger delivery vans. From 2010, all vans and minibuses over 1.2 tonnes will be covered.
Supporters point to the 1,000 people who die prematurely in London each year because of polluted air, although they accept air quality will improve by only 1%.
Small operators however are warning they will be driven to the wall by either the charge, or the £3,000 bill for making their vehicles exempt by fitting particulate traps.
Now Ms Curtis-Thomas has urged her own borough of Sefton to follow suit, telling ministers: “Every day, my constituents have to endure thousands of belching vehicles travelling through the constituency, which has some of the highest asthma rates in the country.â€
The MP has urged the Government to help her explore “the way in which it can be introduced in places such as Sefton, so that we, too, can save livesâ€.
However, Sefton Council said it had no plans for a low-emission zone and expressed surprise at the Labour MP's criticism, pointing to its Beacon Award for air quality last year.
Older lorries emit up to 40 times more air pollutants per mile than new ones, but London’s scheme will cost £49m to set up and £10m a year to run.
This is from the MP who was the most expensive MP in the country (she has now been eclipsed by another MP on the gravy train :lol: )
I contacted her about the NERC Bill before it became the NERC Act & she didn't even have the decency to reply. :x
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I'm afraid the disease is spreading. just spotted this in one of our local papers:
MP calls for low emission zone in Southport and FormbyFeb 20 2008
by Andrew Brown, Midweek Visiter
AGEING lorries, vans and motorhomes should pay up to £200 to drive into Southport and Formby to stop people choking to death, an MP has proposed.
Claire Curtis-Thomas, who represents Formby, called for a controversial “low emission zone†– pioneered in London this month – to be adopted in Sefton and elsewhere.
Under the scheme, operators of lorries and vans more than six-years-old must pay £200 a day to enter the capital or face a fine of £1,000.
The zone applies to lorries over 12 tonnes, but will quickly be extended to all diesel-engined vehicles over 3.5 tonnes, including motorhomes and larger delivery vans. From 2010, all vans and minibuses over 1.2 tonnes will be covered.
Supporters point to the 1,000 people who die prematurely in London each year because of polluted air, although they accept air quality will improve by only 1%.
Small operators however are warning they will be driven to the wall by either the charge, or the £3,000 bill for making their vehicles exempt by fitting particulate traps.
Now Ms Curtis-Thomas has urged her own borough of Sefton to follow suit, telling ministers: “Every day, my constituents have to endure thousands of belching vehicles travelling through the constituency, which has some of the highest asthma rates in the country.â€
The MP has urged the Government to help her explore “the way in which it can be introduced in places such as Sefton, so that we, too, can save livesâ€.
However, Sefton Council said it had no plans for a low-emission zone and expressed surprise at the Labour MP's criticism, pointing to its Beacon Award for air quality last year.
Older lorries emit up to 40 times more air pollutants per mile than new ones, but London’s scheme will cost £49m to set up and £10m a year to run.
This is from the MP who was the most expensive MP in the country (she has now been eclipsed by another MP on the gravy train :lol: )
I contacted her about the NERC Bill before it became the NERC Act & she didn't even have the decency to reply. :x
Doesn't surprise me one single bit, these people have been brain washed by Red Ken and his cronies, its all down to how much more money they can strangle out of honest hard working people, by jumping on the go green band wagon.
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Just been sent the following at work
Porsche Petittion
http://www.porschejudicialreview.co.uk/