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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: bilge rat on April 29, 2008, 19:44:32
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owning two discos , now getting a little fed up of spending as much time working ,welding and repairing as i do driving. i dont know how people can afford to keep them iff they cant work on them . thing is what is reliable . wondered about a isuzu, but seen the engine issues , mitsibushi , toyota landcruiser but pretty dear, nissan maveric or the ford equivilent. jeep but diffs and head probs on the deisel ?.what do you reckon . can someone set up a poll . ?. cheers. alan.....
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im in the same boat as you and have been thinking of a TD5 Discovery :shock:
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Vauxhall Frontera / Monteray + Isuzu Trooper 3.1 TD great engine, very reliable, not heard of engine problems, 2.5 TD has a few engine problems
Mitsubishi Pajero / Shogun 2.5 TD + 2.8 TD Strong and Reliable, Suffer Heads Cracking on higher Mileage
Toyota Land Cruiser TD seem reliable, bit heavier so fuel consumption is a bit higher (not had much to do on them)
Ford Maveric + Nissan Terrano, TD is as reliable as a Transit (same Engine)
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My 90 is very reliable..... only failures it has had have been wear and tear and lack of maintenance after serious offroading. 11000 miles last year it only had 2 wheel bearings, kingpin, a prop u/j and a vac pump. All probably attributable to my addiction to deep wading.
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mk1 pajero had it 3 months cracked axle and knacked engine 2000 grand in bills :doh: :doh: :sad: vauxhall seems to be the best for on and on with out anything done
oh a poll is at the top tabs at each section i.e discovery / range rover under new poll tab
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mk1 pajero had it 3 months cracked axle and knacked engine 2000 grand in bills :doh: :doh: :sad: vauxhall seems to be the best for on and on with out anything done
oh a poll is at the top tabs at each section i.e discovery / range rover under new poll tab
Vauxhalls are pritty poor standard, my disco had to recover a couple of them and it only had some very worn muds on, and a blown diff :'( , and they had some rubbish recovery point on the front that was more of a tie down hook than a recovery point
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for reliability i would opt for a landcruiser
not sure what nissan patrols are like...may be worth considering
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for reliability i would opt for a landcruiser
not sure what nissan patrols are like...may be worth considering
same as the Land Cruiser, or very simillar
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Landcruiser or Jeep Wrangler....maybe a Grand Cherokee as well...
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did work for jeep years ago, i remember changing loads of head gaskets on the v,m. and loads of diffs on the grand mainly ....
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Mitsubishi Delicas look quite a good bet if you don't want another Disco. That said, mine seems quite happy with whatever the world throws at it. Only once has it failed to start, and that was an old battery meeting winter head-on.
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Land Cruiser or Hilux vote here if you must stray from the Land Rover brand.
But I would like to add something. My Land Rover was horrendously unreliable for one year when I first got it back on the road. Now, after a fair amount of expenditure, I'm actually able to focus on other things rather than keeping it going. Actually, to be honest, it's become rather reliable now. :shocked:
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landrovers are funny things, i have noticed that if you leave them and neglect them then they done work.
however if you drive them every day for a year or so then they are fine and you seem to have less problems then if you use them only at the weekend or something.
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I have a Terrano II, as a rule its as reliable and starts on the dot.
However did have to have a new turbo fitted but the guy fitting it said he was amazed he had never had a Terrano in with a problem like it, normally it just landrovers.
The Terrano II 2.7 TDi is the same engine as a London taxi (black cab) and is good for 250K as long as you look after it, there is lots of access in the engine bay so home maintenance is fairly easy.
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/fwd.pdf
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You don't say what you use your vehicle for. Do you off road regular? is it your every day drive? Does it never go off road? All these factors influence reliability. I belong to another club and we off road regularly. Members have a variety of vehicles, but there is one common factor - reliability is directly related to the time spent Off roading.
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mk1 pajero had it 3 months cracked axle and knacked engine 2000 grand in bills :doh: :doh: :sad: vauxhall seems to be the best for on and on with out anything done
oh a poll is at the top tabs at each section i.e discovery / range rover under new poll tab
Vauxhalls are pritty poor standard, my disco had to recover a couple of them and it only had some very worn muds on, and a blown diff :'( , and they had some rubbish recovery point on the front that was more of a tie down hook than a recovery point
Well you do need the correct tyres, and its not much to pop a heavy duty recovery hook on and a lift :wink:
Diff go on all sorts of cars when off road :wink:
My Fronty has not had it particualy easy and its still going strong, never caused me to miss a days work, still sits happily at just a tad over 70 on the motorway :wink:
A bit of thought and you can have a cheap reliable and comffy car.
They aint never going to be as good off road as some cars, as they dont have lockers etc but they can do a lot more than is credited to them after a minimal bit of fettling and cost.
Oh and the A serise have great under body protection :cool:
The 2.2 petrol can be a bit iffy though :P
And the heater work most times :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What do you mean land rovers aren't reliable? You can rely on them to break down when you need them most! That's why we've got 3, at least ONE of them should be in working order when I go into labour! Otherwise it's going to be a long way for RRB to push me in a wheelbarrrow! :shock:
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What do you mean land rovers aren't reliable? You can rely on them to break down when you need them most! That's why we've got 3, at least ONE of them should be in working order when I go into labour! Otherwise it's going to be a long way for RRB to push me in a wheelbarrrow! :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol: now that would be worthy of a picture :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Having a 90 for only six months was more than enough for me, unreliable, uncomfortable, poor heater, noisy and draughty. I now have a SWB 3.0 V6 LPG Shogun and it's lovely. OK it may not be as capable off road as the 90 but I'm willing to put up with that for some comfort and reliability :D :D :D
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er yeah but a 90 isnt meant to be comfortable. its here to get you there.
i was gonna get a nissan patrol, quite reliable but when stuff breaks its expensive. a starter motor was about £630, no doubt a pattern one would be available cheaper. a guy down the road has one and when the head gasket went he had the cam belt done as well and it cost him over £1000!!!
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Relaible?
PUSHBIKE
LOL
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Relaible?
PUSHBIKE
LOL
But what about the reliability of the powerplant?? :lol:
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I did a bit of research on this and that is why I bought my Land Cruiser although initially I was thinking of either the Nissan Patrol or Pathfinder :)
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You don't say what you use your vehicle for. Do you off road regular? is it your every day drive? Does it never go off road? All these factors influence reliability. I belong to another club and we off road regularly. Members have a variety of vehicles, but there is one common factor - reliability is directly related to the time spent Off roading.
got blue i use for lanes and off road use generally just a fun/work toy. red is car for pulling the caravan 2 kids dog mrs and the kitchen sink .and iff we go any where far i can jump in it and rely on it. i just feel that to have two is too much like hard work...plus me good one ?. which has been off the road for 3 or 4 months is unfortunatly a 3 door which is o.k but the kids are having issues with the rear windows that open and flap about every where....alan....
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What do you mean land rovers aren't reliable? You can rely on them to break down when you need them most! That's why we've got 3, at least ONE of them should be in working order when I go into labour! Otherwise it's going to be a long way for RRB to push me in a wheelbarrrow! :shock:
yep just had red mrs was in hospital and the spider unit started playing up and wouldnt start when it felt like it.. took me a while to find what it was . but now i know ....alan..
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Relaible?
PUSHBIKE
LOL
got one great peacefull, economical . but hard work when towing the van :doh:
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they do do a pushbike caravan - think its german...VERY small but good for a place to kip i suppose lol
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I have a Terrano II, as a rule its as reliable and starts on the dot.
However did have to have a new turbo fitted but the guy fitting it said he was amazed he had never had a Terrano in with a problem like it, normally it just landrovers.
The Terrano II 2.7 TDi is the same engine as a London taxi (black cab) and is good for 250K as long as you look after it, there is lots of access in the engine bay so home maintenance is fairly easy.
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/fwd.pdf
is the ford maverik the same , see they do a 2.7 intercooled on they do look narrow . do they handle o.k, (comparing with a disco not a car ;)).. i do miss me sierra . was so reliable and solid just not big enough or up to the job ..alan....
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er yeah but a 90 isnt meant to be comfortable. its here to get you there.
Yes mate but I notice that you are only 18, wait till you get into your late 40's and then YOU will want something comfortable and warm. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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tell that to the local farmers. one of em is nearly 70 and he wont drive anything other than a 90. if its too uncomfortable then you are misusing it!
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I have a Terrano II, as a rule its as reliable and starts on the dot.
However did have to have a new turbo fitted but the guy fitting it said he was amazed he had never had a Terrano in with a problem like it, normally it just landrovers.
The Terrano II 2.7 TDi is the same engine as a London taxi (black cab) and is good for 250K as long as you look after it, there is lots of access in the engine bay so home maintenance is fairly easy.
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/fwd.pdf
is the ford maverik the same , see they do a 2.7 intercooled on they do look narrow . do they handle o.k, (comparing with a disco not a car ;)).. i do miss me sierra . was so reliable and solid just not big enough or up to the job ..alan....
Yep the Maverick is the same car with same engine, You can buy my Y reg T2 60K, set of AT's, full leather, electric everything, aircon etc etc... You can have it for £5K
Handles very well, its like any 4x4 don't drive it like a Ferrari
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in my signature you see duck and diesel
diesel is used off road and runs a nissan 6 cylinder turbo diesel unit mated to its 5 speed manual gearbox.goes were ever i point it and the only damage over the last year was a steering arm that looked like a horse shoe.
dave is the disco and is powered by a 2.5 td 4 cylinder land rover engine mated to an auto box.dave is my every day motor so uses tarmac and green lanes every day even if i have to leave early to get to work on time.dave after over a year of brian abuse now needs new front swivels which are siting in my tool box waiting for me to do it.
duck is powered by your friendly v8 3500cc and an auto box.he used to be the daily drive and even thou he carries 150 litres of lpg underneath when fully loaded he did everything that dave now does.the only things he's ever had is the heads skimmed,valve seats recut and all refitted as after over two years of constant brian abuse the water loss was causing number one cylinder to run very hot.
all i can say is motors need to be used otherwise they sulk,if they sulk they play up and need repairs.
tango is the one that proves this statement as he only goes out when i can find another driver and trailer so if i don't disconnect the battery he drains it to the point of no return and has to have a new one.now he wants a power steering pump because he's sulking over being left all alone with the tacr2 who likes sitting there looking important.
if you count up i have now mentioned 5 motors.the sixth motor is a shy series 2a who sits at the back of the shed and goes across the fields now and again when he's borrowed by the shot gun brigade
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I have a Terrano II, as a rule its as reliable and starts on the dot.
However did have to have a new turbo fitted but the guy fitting it said he was amazed he had never had a Terrano in with a problem like it, normally it just landrovers.
The Terrano II 2.7 TDi is the same engine as a London taxi (black cab) and is good for 250K as long as you look after it, there is lots of access in the engine bay so home maintenance is fairly easy.
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/fwd.pdf
is the ford maverik the same , see they do a 2.7 intercooled on they do look narrow . do they handle o.k, (comparing with a disco not a car ;)).. i do miss me sierra . was so reliable and solid just not big enough or up to the job ..alan....
Yep the Maverick is the same car with same engine, You can buy my Y reg T2 60K, set of AT's, full leather, electric everything, aircon etc etc... You can have it for £5K
Handles very well, its like any 4x4 don't drive it like a Ferrari
thanks but 5k idont have anything near . was toying with about 2.5 to 3 max depending on or iff i get rid of red... is the teranno shorter and higher than a disco . can get red in me garage. parking is ltd so iff one would fit would be a bonus ..cheers . alan.....
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I can get mine in the garage no problems, to be fair for £2.5K to 3K will get you a good solid car.
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tell that to the local farmers. one of em is nearly 70 and he wont drive anything other than a 90. if its too uncomfortable then you are misusing it!
I don't call just driving 45 miles on normal roads "Misusing it"
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Having a 90 for only six months was more than enough for me, unreliable, uncomfortable, poor heater, noisy and draughty. I now have a SWB 3.0 V6 LPG Shogun and it's lovely
I didn't know that you'd separated!
No wonder I've not seen it near where you live
As for the topic in hand................................
Bar my first Landie (a 2A Light-Weight, which gave a bad name to 'sheds' everywhere), I only had real problems with one of the others, guess which one
1. 1994 'L' registered 110Tdi Hard-Top (owned October 1997 - July 2001)
300Tdi. 50,000miles in my ownership.
Plus points; Some hard use at pay & play days, our only vehicle at the time, probably averaged 30 - 32MPG in that time, towed artics at times.
Problems? 4 new wheel-bearings (ruined at Tong by deep wading), new indicator stalk (burnt out), new tyres at 70,000miles (replacing the original Avon Rangemasters)
2. 1989 'E' registered 90V8-CSW (owned August 2001 - October 2002)
Factory built V8-CSW. 10,000miles in my ownership.
Plus points;Great noise, scared the daylights out of the B*W & Saxo brigade
Problems? Had a LPG conversion, ran atrociously ever after - wouldn't start on petrol when warm, wouldn't run properly on either when weather cold, 15MPG was a good day around town, but conversely 9MPG when towing the BWSOW in the LakeDistrict!
3. 1998 'S' registered Discovery 50th Anniversary (December 2002 - December 2005
300Tdi manual. 50,000miles in my ownership.
Plus points;Supremely capable in all aspects; from M-way travelling to towing a 1600kg twin-axle BWSOW to shifting 26 tonners, 7 seats when needed, 33MPG average, air-con to keep the wife cool, decent turning circle/manoeuvrability, it looked different enough to other Discoverys to keep me smiling.
Problems? One snapped rear shock-absorber, one puncture, a leaking windscreen, galvanitic corrosion where the mud-flap mounts bolt to the rear wing, saggy rear door hinges
4 1999 'V' registered 110 Heritage (December 2005 - present)
Td5. 22,000miles in my ownership (so far)
Plus points; The 'Icon' (what people think of as the 'Safari'), decent engine, average of 27 - 30MPG, towed up to 16 tons easily (so far......................), 11 seats (came in handy a couple of times), leather seats are more kid/Dog- proof than cloth, legible instrumentation at night (even a tachometer as standard fitting!), no oil-leaks - Yet!!, most people who go in it love it!, comfortable seating (in front only), with the rear seats folded it doubles as a 'removal van'.
Problems? Water leaks (it enters somewhere & runs around the internal 'guttering', behind the head-lining, before wetting your trousers), too low geared for m-way driving, I keep expecting to come back to it & find the model specific grille missing, steering lock could be better (contemplating putting it on 'Modular' steel wheels, for more off-set, hence greater lock)
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Reliable?
PUSHBIKE
Yeah, right, have you any idea the amount of time and money it takes to keep a decent bike running, if it's used off road. In the UK the mud kills drivetrain like nobodies business, here in Greece everything gets shaken and battered to death!
£300 or so for a rear shock, £300 or so for a front fork, £150+ for a decent wheel, £150 an end for decent brakes....
Joking aside, for reliability you need to be thinking Japanese. I know there are reliable Land Rovers out there, but finding them can be, well, unreliable...
I think the problem with the cracked heads that you hear about sometimes both on Mitsi and Toyota diesel engines is blown out of proportion - they rarely go wrong, it's just that when they do a high percentage of the failures are a cracked head - but only a small percentage fail at all. I think that makes sense...
Like any other second hand car purchase there are plenty of bad ones out there, but that's usually down to bad maintenance by an owner at some point, check service history etc. as you would for any car purchase and you should be able to find the right car.
I know that the value of second had Pajeros is dropping as the market reaches saturation, that's probably a good place to start. I prefer my Land Cruiser to my old Pajero, but it cost a lot more. Pajeros are very good value.
Good luck!
Alaric.
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get a Fourtrak very reliable just ask any farmer :lol:
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actually you say fourtrack , im from village near harborough and a lot of farmers use fourtracks round here. just not big enough for what i need . by the time the kids, mrs and dog are in, then all there kit they seem to take anywhere .think it would be a right game ...alan.
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Reliable?
PUSHBIKE
Yeah, right, have you any idea the amount of time and money it takes to keep a decent bike running, if it's used off road. In the UK the mud kills drivetrain like nobodies business, here in Greece everything gets shaken and battered to death!
£300 or so for a rear shock, £300 or so for a front fork, £150+ for a decent wheel, £150 an end for decent brakes....
I'll agree on the price of decent wheels.
I had a pair built back in about 1993 for the Pace Research RC100 I owned then & (non-cycling) friends wouldn't believe me when I told them how much I paid
Now that I want a Trek (carbon-fibre) road-bike to replace my titanium, & ance again, friends are astonished at the price of the Madone range :roll:
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3. 1998 'S' registered Discovery 50th Anniversary (December 2002 - December 2005
300Tdi manual. 50,000miles in my ownership.
Plus points;Supremely capable in all aspects; from M-way travelling to towing a 1600kg twin-axle BWSOW to shifting 26 tonners, 7 seats when needed, 33MPG average, air-con to keep the wife cool, decent turning circle/manoeuvrability, it looked different enough to other Discoverys to keep me smiling.
Problems? One snapped rear shock-absorber, one puncture, a leaking windscreen, galvanitic corrosion where the mud-flap mounts bolt to the rear wing, saggy rear door hinges
Forgot to mention the non-operable diff-lock lever when I bought it, it would go into low-range, but not into locking-mode
After a bit of consultation with this site (http://home.twcny.rr.com/eeibooks/rover/discodifflock.htm), I made a trip to a gearbox reconditioners near Halifax, & bought a complete 'turret' for £5.00!!!!!!!
Once home, it took less than 30minutes to sort it, & then it worked perfectly to the day I sold it!
Click on pic to enlarge. 2 images
(http://thumb12.webshots.net/t/59/559/6/14/48/2923614480047309372LLQRUe_th.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2923614480047309372LLQRUe)
My original article here (http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,1032.0.html)