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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: Boggert on April 30, 2008, 11:16:03

Title: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: Boggert on April 30, 2008, 11:16:03: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1314519,00.html

So I guess most of us are totally screwed now by this out of control Government!

If its not Fuel its road tax, then road pricing... what next??

I'm a tad brassed off, and they think they have any chance of winning the next election... their barking mad!
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: hrh_dave on April 30, 2008, 11:27:10: The problem is that they got in last time with knowbody voting for them or rather knobody bothered to vote.....

So does this mean everything from 2001 onwards is being put into the new tax brackets or how far are they going back.....
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: Boggert on April 30, 2008, 11:45:28: Quote from: hrh_dave on April 30, 2008, 11:27:10
The problem is that they got in last time with knowbody voting for them or rather knobody bothered to vote.....

So does this mean everything from 2001 onwards is being put into the new tax brackets or how far are they going back.....

Yep if your 4x4 was reg after March 2001 you will pay Â£430 for your road tax!
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: datalas on April 30, 2008, 12:10:52: Quote from: Boggert on April 30, 2008, 11:45:28
Quote from: hrh_dave on April 30, 2008, 11:27:10
The problem is that they got in last time with knowbody voting for them or rather knobody bothered to vote.....

So does this mean everything from 2001 onwards is being put into the new tax brackets or how far are they going back.....

Yep if your 4x4 was reg after March 2001 you will pay Â£430 for your road tax!

strictly speaking that's "If it was registered after March 2001 and emits more than 225g of co2 per km ...."

Not that it makes much difference, but some vehicles don't fall into that bracket, the Rav4, the Freelander and quite possibly some of the newer cars too..

However, the real "sting" is that it's guarenteed income, the plan that it will "force people to re-evaluate their car ownership" is laughable, the cost over 10 years would be a grand difference of around Â£2000, which is not even remotely comparable to the cost of a new vehicle so the equation just comes out at "do I spend an extra Â£200 this year, or do I get a new car and spend an extra ten grand?" ... not a great deal of evaluation required on that one if you ask me.

Then again, it's both good and bad that the government have their current understanding of the situation, bad in so much as road tax is going up like my bank managers' blood pressure, but good in so much as they haven't determined that they could charge an extra grand a year and probably still not persuade people to replace their cars...

Besides, what is the environmental impact of scrapping several thousand cars ?
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: Jas278 on April 30, 2008, 12:11:29: Not just 4x4 either ...........the anti s IE Mondeo man are also being shafted , serves them right .......the government have got away with doubling RFL....Well they had to get the lost revenue from tobacco from somewhere....
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: Disco Matt on April 30, 2008, 12:24:48: This one might well bite them. An awful lot of things that aren't "gas guzzling 4x4s" will be hit with high duty rates by this.

Wonder if this will cause Disco 1 prices to shoot up? :lol:
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: Boggert on May 01, 2008, 07:40:17: What bugs me is my car is in this category by 3 months, its only worth about Â£5k

What they have done is devalued my car big time... I figure its pretty worthless now.

Who is going to buy a 7 year old car, with 80K on the clock that is going to cost Â£430, not me for sure!

I figure if I was to try and trade it in, they would have given me may be Â£3500 for it now its will be more like Â£1000.

No one is going to want them!

Because of this, I figure I will have to lump it and pay the tax, and drive the car into the ground.
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: sleeplessparadise on May 01, 2008, 08:24:45: I am like you Boggert in that mine falls into the catergory by 3 months but because it's down on my log book as a commercial vehicle it doesn't have any emissions data and so will be taxed the same as it always was from what I can work out.
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: ian_s on May 01, 2008, 08:32:35: and yet the most polluting cars, the old carburetted pre cat petrols, are still only charged less than 200 quid a year!
not that i am complaining about that, mind you
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: muddyweb on May 04, 2008, 10:57:12: Quote from: ian_s on May 01, 2008, 08:32:35
and yet the most polluting cars, the old carburetted pre cat petrols, are still only charged less than 200 quid a year!
not that i am complaining about that, mind you

It's always going to be the case that until the dust-to-dust pollution of vehicles is taken into account, there is always going to be an unfair situation. My 1973 2.25L Series 3 almost certainly is more polluting at the tailpipe than a brand new, cat-equipped, electronically managed car... but... the pollution caused in the production and recycling of new vehicles every 3 years makes a mockery of the whole thing.

It's not just the fault of the government either... it's the culture that you have to change your car every 3 years... it is the fault of the endless environmental groups and pressure groups who want to villify a group of people... they are in turn supported by a global media who broadcast and propagate whatever seems to be "newsworthy".

The "inconvenient truth" is that it is easier to scapegoat people and make ourselves feel better than try to actually understand what is happening and act accordingly.

Save the planet... drive a 30 year old car :D
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: beast5680 on May 04, 2008, 11:06:40: Quote from: Disco Matt on April 30, 2008, 12:24:48

Wonder if this will cause Disco 1 prices to shoot up? :lol:

lets hope so my 98 300tdi is looking very attractive now mind you cant afford to fill it up with fuel
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: BeJay on May 04, 2008, 12:50:54: Quote from: muddyweb on May 04, 2008, 10:57:12
Quote from: ian_s on May 01, 2008, 08:32:35
and yet the most polluting cars, the old carburetted pre cat petrols, are still only charged less than 200 quid a year!
not that i am complaining about that, mind you

Save the planet... drive a 30 year old car :D

even better, drive a 44 year old car and do it for Â£100 a year fully comp classic insurance (including breakdown recovery) and free road tax so the government get absolutely nothing, zilch, s*d all out of it, (up yours Darling!!! :twisted:) guess who's a happy bunny (at least with one of my motors) :D :D :D

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Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: beast5680 on May 04, 2008, 14:23:47: so you dont put petrol in it then and pay tax on that? :?
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: BeJay on May 04, 2008, 16:52:20: .......course I do Neal, but we all have to put fuel in whatever we run and pay the extortionate tax on it, what I meant was they don't get anything out of me regarding the RFL whatever they do with the rates regarding emissions, and I'm in the same boat as you regarding my Disco ('95) it only went up a fiver.
Title: Re: Nutty Government, they have gone barking mad!
Post by: 3laner on May 04, 2008, 19:31:01: at the moment hartop defenders pay less than CSW's Â£180 as oppossed to Â£205 IIRC. does the new tax mean hartops will go up as well?